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What devil has this guy made a deal with? No matter how stupid, obnoxious or abrasive he is, people worship him. He constantly screws himself over and then before he has to face serious consequences he trips on a rock and somehow everything’s alright again for him. At this point he literally can shoot someone on 6th Avenue and get away of it. I think Trump is solid evidence that we’re living in a simulation and somebody is fucking with us, because life just doesn’t work the way it works for him. Somebody’s thumb is on the scale.
God what an ugly bug he is.
I, for one, hope that this is exactly what we needed. Shit has to get dark before the light can return.
I’d have used his garbage costume picture.
It’s 80 degrees in November. America has reelected a climate change denier. SUV sales continue to rise.
If only Americans had voted for the party that was going to fix climate change…
Which one was that again?
Shithole country.
Metoo?
More like you, again.
The entire rest of the world needs to be on watch, trump is a potential threat to other countries
FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN AMERICA GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
I can’t even afford to live HERE, in the country I was born and raised in. How do you expect me to move somewhere else and gain citizenship there?
Counterpoint… If you leave, you’re leaving the most power arsenal of doomsday weapons in the hands of a moron death cult.
Stay, and become ungovernable.
What is so fucked that the US isn’t an anomaly. Authoritarianism has been on the rise since the 90s and we don’t really have any more true democracies. The crazy right-wing jackasses that people back in 2000 and 2005 thought were just kooks and nutjobs are now 100% mainstream and they’re taking over their respective countries… We are not in a good place.
How do I leave?
By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.
You realize that unless you have a second citizenship it’s not easy to just up and leave for another country?
Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.
What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.
If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?
“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”
Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.
Immigration is never easy… Right? I’d like to hear more stories from those who ensured the process.
Shipping your things? Lmao 🤣
I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included
Lol and go where? From what I can tell, Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right. Western Europe is already getting sick of immigrants and dealing with the far right.
Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right
Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).
The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.
Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.
There’s still a chance for them.
My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).
Say hi to Jesse Ventura for me.
Fuck that, I love this country and I’m not ceding it to a bunch of stupid bigots. They’re the ones that should be leaving.
I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.
I’ve been duped or in denial or something.
He won because Kamala underperformed. They both underperformed compared to 2020 actually, Kamala just moreso.
Voters are disillusioned with Democrats, and it’s no wonder why when the Democrats keep running on policy that is unpopular with their base and relying on orange man bad to get their voters to the polls. It worked once, and then nothing changed, so of course it wasn’t going to work again. Stop trying to push the blame off on voters and use this time to reflect on your own party’s election strategy.
It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.
What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?
Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.
and move where? to another country electing fascists?
Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.
They’ll be drinking champagne (or the Russian equivalent) in the Kremlin tonight. Putin and the KGB played the long game and won.
maybe it’s not time to run, maybe it’s time to fight.
I’m not leaving. All my friends are here. We don’t run from danger.
I’d love to leave, but it isn’t feasible for me. I’m absolutely terrified and have no way out.
Ahhh yes, it is so easy to pick up and move to another country. Why didn’t anyone think of this earlier?
“If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.
Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.
always has been.
Lol, no thanks, I think things will get really good around here once January hits
Need someone to remind you of this comment in 2028?
Our embassy would be calling for our citizens to leave USA now if not the pesky international relations.
He looks like a cartoon demon. An exaggerated 90s gross-up cartoon demon. Wtf do people see in him* except for their ugly-ass selves?
He pisses people off, which is funny or something. Plus they are afraid of immigrants and “the gay” though there have been times when those people have embraced good will and togetherness, usually when a country song about it becomes popular. There was one about doing a good deed and passing it on or something like that and people weren’t dicks for a month or so.
Even Klasky Csupo demons look better than this.
Literally in a car with an immigrant right now who voted Trump because things were cheaper before covid.
FFS.
I don’t expect everybody to be politically aware, but there’s “not politically aware” and then there’s whatever that is.
Stupid?
So sad that dumbasses who think the President controls grocery store prices and gas prices have done this to us all.
I voted for Harris and my state went red for Trump as usual. Just sad and disgusted at it all today.
How do you expect people to think any differently when there is nobody combatting that narrative at the national level? That is something the Democrats could have been hammering on.
Instead of mocking people like this, us on the left really need to understand them and how to appeal to them better than Trump. Dude is a billionaire and managed to convince working people he’s on their side. He’s winning the populism game because no one else is even playing it. Time to beat him at his own game
I don’t pretend to know how to accomplish this. I may be completely wrong here, but two things that have to go:
- Religious thought (“faithbrain” or the Peter Pan-esque belief that things are true because you believe they are true, despite a lack of evidentiary or even argumentative support, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary)
- Social media bubbles (billionaires controlling the content people see, creating bubbles of “information” that skew the public in their favor)
There’s almost certainly more to do as well, but those things stand out to me. Also, it seems hard to believe that we could make any progress on these fronts given the current situation.
Grocery stores are making record profits. Do they really think they are going to voluntarily cut prices? They know there will be no oversight under trump (not that Biden did anything about price gouging). Prices are going to go up even higher.
Not if people don’t have enough money, then they’ll take the five finger discount.
I wouldn’t put it past the stores to ask for an executive order to make theft punishable by losing fingers.
Anecdotal evidence that the right is for the uneducated.
uneducatable
Solid distinction.
Religion primed the rubes, and a new godhead told them he is their salvation.
Anecdotally… About 75% of the right that I know/met.
The other 25% is a mix of racism, greed, and conspiracy theory.
Every time they’ll be complaining about the price hikes under Trump, just remind them of why they voted for Trump. This is the best course of action against “collective amnesia” as we call it in Hungary.
Oh alongside the loss of benefits they rely on (which I told them about), the pandemic potential with the worst Kennedy, even their friends which are of varying ethnicities and going to be targeted, the list is… Long.
Are they here legally?
Yes, but that doesn’t matter to republicans.
It matters to MAGA Republicans. Your friend is a legal immigrant, he’s here to stay and we 100% welcome him.
If they keep saying it, maybe it’ll be true just like the 2020 election fraud!
Yep, their plan is to remove all immigrants
Absolutely not at all
A lot of their own parents and grandparents are going to have to go then. The leopards will not go hungry.
And he’ll hand this country to the rich in a silver platter.
Either party was going to do that, unfortunately. But this is definitely worse with Putin being invited to take the VIP seat at the table.
Yeah, they just needed a stooge to sign off on whatever and keep people distracted with his antics.
I have to remind myself that the only silver lining of being Californian and unable to really effect this outcome of this race is that we’re also least likely to pay any personal consequences. Still bad, but I feel for people in states with less protections for LGBTQ and immigrants, and especially for people in countries that are completely fucked right now unless something crazy happens.
I know already that my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back. Then again, might make little difference if he goes full fascist, but a silver lining is a silver lining none the less.
Over here in Florida where they’re banning books and censoring LGBT from schools. All my family (besides my parents and siblings) are Republicans and are actively voting to the person who is trying to legalize murdering me (trans, closeted) 🙃
My teacher is also an anti masker.
Send help pls.When you’re 18, you’re more than welcome in the New Mexico/Colorado coalition. New Mexico is more affordable, FYI. Until then, there are good people on Lemmy you can lean on.
I noticed that… Redder than ever as I watched the polls. I guess at least it’ll be under the ocean in a few decades. Amazing how it changed since 2000, though. My PhD is in education policy, and also someone who dated a trans woman, I know exactly how fucked y’all are.
If only California could fix it’s housing issues, we really should be a refuge for cool folk like yourself. People used to flock here, for better or worse.
Hardly anyone can afford to live in the progressive parts unfortunately.
It’s true. Some places are affordable but won’t be terribly enjoyable unless a lot of progressives move there (like Bakersfield isn’t the worst place in the world).
Edit: on two separate occasions I saw cars wrapped in full anime weeb regalia parked in places in Bakersfield. It’s just mostly immigrant farm workers, though.
yeah, thats all fair. it is ignoring how california will be uninhabitable in short order if we dont take immediate steps to curb climate change, and trump has vowed to undo the little progress the biden administration had accomplished, and to “drill, baby, drill”
Yeah, that’s going to be a world wide problem in any case. California can also keep doing it’s green push too, but just like with countries, it’s a moot point if your neighbor is mucking everything up.
…my state and several other blue states have been working on a contingency plan ever since Biden looked like a certain loss, months back.
Can you expand on this, in eli5 fashion? Curious foreigner here.
As they said, money, but I’d say there are a few safeguards. On obvious issues like reproductive rights, we can hold out on “states decide” until there’s a federal ban, and even longer with legal challenges. States that rarified it in their construction have a similar setup. We also have organizations in place to help undocumented immigrants so much so that they can get drivers licenses and insurance, etc.
As for things specific to Trump, it’s mostly a matter of having a lot of lawyers ready to challenge things and purposefully not following federal law if needed. 4 years is a remarkably short time to hold out, assuming again they don’t just go full fascist and arrest our governor and state Congress. Technically shouldn’t be possible even with the supreme court but who knows.
Speaking of which, that’s the real problem-- federal appointed judges. So all together we’ll just have to see. States rights is a good thing when you’ve got a good state, though.
Oh that part’s easy.
Money.
California has economic power over the rest of the US because of the money that flows through it.
Calxit?
Nah, that’s a trap. At tempting at it is, it’s better for everyone to stay a union even if California has the 5th (or 6th depending on measure) strongest economy in the world. Plus imagine how fucked the other 49 would be!
CAWAORxit?
CAWAORNYIL… And New Englandxit.
I think that just describes a civil war at this point lol
Yeah I feel the same with illinois.
If I live close to Illinois do you think it’s worth making the move?? Can’t the federal government just do whatever the fuck it wants regardless of state rights
Laws are only real if they’re enforced. What we know is is that Trump promised to send troops into “sanctuary cities” and this time around, his wranglers know better on how to use him. Go to a safe city or state, but be prepared to move country if you’re one of their undesirables.
Its more about how the state comports its own affairs so keeping up its public infrastructure and not allowing poisoning of natural spaces and such. I can’t say its worth the move as these things are really situational. Im just sorta glad I am at where I am at.
Good luck gentlemen o7
Diabetes, please do your job.
JD Vance is a more effective stooge, because he does what he’s told without question. Trump at least has his particular brand of self-defeating chaos.
trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.
Thiel is Vance’s backer. Vance would be a competent Trump. Much more dangerous.
Every right-wing administration since W has been ‘we can’t get rid of him, his VP would be worse!’
But Pence rejected the coup d’etat. Pence is a bigot and a creep, but he’s not a walking ego wound. I dunno what the fuck happened to JD Vance in the last five years that made him spit blood libel about Hatian-Americans, but I’d still take a mentally stable adult over The Idiot.
There is an interesting question as to what happens if he dies before being sworn in. It’s not clear what succession looks like then, I think…
Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.
I’m not as sure.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.
At this point it’s our best outcome.
There’s actually a few more:
- undisputable evidence for destroying ballots, or some other stuff
- a lone gunman 3: this time an army professional with better guns
- unfaithful electors
- Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
Biden lives with his new found presidental power, and does an “official act”
Wow, that would be quite a thing. Dark to even think of him being the hero we need, but don’t deserve…
I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.
If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.
And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.
I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.
Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.
charm
Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.
Charismatic people rarely are smart because life is easier for them in the first place.
So guilliani is gonna be bailed out, Vince McMahon is gonna get a pardon too, same with Elon for whatever he wants to do, and pretty much every evil billionaire out there. I also think Trump has no interest in governing, and this administration will be Vance and his project 25 people running the show
Regarding Elon, it’s even better than that: he’s probably getting a cabinet post. Say goodbye to the free and open internet where people are mean to him and daddy Trump. Goodbye encryption, and the “unauthorized” websites/web services. Hello tracking, dynamic pricing, and compulsive service use designed to drain your wallet.
Americans chose fuck around, and now we get to find out.
Free Sam Bankman Fried. Maybe he can steal more money from morons
Until those morons realize not your keys, not your coins, they deserve to be stolen from.
thats such a powerful statement. thank you for adding to the conversation bro
Your welcome. Always love to help
you’re is a contraction of “you are” while your is possive.
you’re a fun person
your coins, your keys
it’s “you’re welcome”.
your is possessive. you’re is a contraction of “you are”. your welcome means you’re somehow talking about “my welcome”
Can he get Joe exotic Pardoned so at least we get some entertaining train wreck to keep our long off the politics?
