trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.
but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.
Every right-wing administration since W has been ‘we can’t get rid of him, his VP would be worse!’
But Pence rejected the coup d’etat. Pence is a bigot and a creep, but he’s not a walking ego wound. I dunno what the fuck happened to JD Vance in the last five years that made him spit blood libel about Hatian-Americans, but I’d still take a mentally stable adult over The Idiot.
If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.
And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.
I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.
Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.
I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
He’s Peter Thiel’s property, so he’ll do whatever he tells him to do. And Thiel is a weird, evil and intelligent man. A Vance presidency would probably be less insane and more calculating (for better and for worse) than Trump at least.
Diabetes, please do your job.
trump may very well die within the next 4 years, even 4 weeks after all that campaigning strain, but I am just no sure if JD wouldn’t make everything worse if he got hold of the reins?
One thing is sure President Vance would be a total shit show.
Thiel is Vance’s backer. Vance would be a competent Trump. Much more dangerous.
Vance would just run everything according to Project 2025. I think he’d be like Trump but more competent.
Honestly, it feels like the only hope is that things get bad enough for enough Trump supporters (and non-voters) to wake up to reality. And since Vance himself doesn’t seem to have the moron-whisperer charisma that Trump has, they may be more willing to turn on him.
Every right-wing administration since W has been ‘we can’t get rid of him, his VP would be worse!’
But Pence rejected the coup d’etat. Pence is a bigot and a creep, but he’s not a walking ego wound. I dunno what the fuck happened to JD Vance in the last five years that made him spit blood libel about Hatian-Americans, but I’d still take a mentally stable adult over The Idiot.
JD Vance is a more effective stooge, because he does what he’s told without question. Trump at least has his particular brand of self-defeating chaos.
Vance is the Project 2025 guy, not Trump. You don’t want him as president, either.
There is an interesting question as to what happens if he dies before being sworn in. It’s not clear what succession looks like then, I think…
Likely JD Vance will be chosen as president, he gets some similar weirdo as a vice-president. He will be exactly like Trump, but without the charm.
I’m not as sure.
I hate Vance and he’d be a terrible President, but he also was firmly anti-Trump before, and only became a Trump sycophant for political reasons.
If Trump dies he may feel the freedom to do what he wants to do as President, while claiming to be Trump’s heir to the personality cult.
At this point it’s our best outcome.
There’s actually a few more:
If the Dems took the House, some of those might be perversely better. But between Vance and Johnson, I’d take Vance.
And enough states have laws to prevent unfaithful electors to keep that from being an option.
I absolutely believe Trump won. The dems pushed hard on abortion while abortion was separately on the ballots in several swing states, so even for the virtually unheard-of single-issue pro-choice voters, they could just take care of that with the ballot initiative and then vote for Trump anyway. Meanwhile, the pro-life voters doubled-down against the Dems.
Pro-choice-centered campaigns have always been general election poison. The disasterous 2022 elections should have taught the Dems that. Or Wendy Davis’s 2014 Texas Gubanatorial campaign when she ran on abortion rights and lost by over 20 points in an open election against an unpopular Greg Abbot. At that time, Texas had only elected 2 Republican governors since the previous Democratic woman, and even Perry almost lost the Governor’s mansion in 2006.
Wow, that would be quite a thing. Dark to even think of him being the hero we need, but don’t deserve…
I am 100% sure that Biden doing anything at all that would change the outcome of the election would lead to rural versus urban civil war. Maybe that’s what we need. But it will be unbelievably terrible.
He’s Peter Thiel’s property, so he’ll do whatever he tells him to do. And Thiel is a weird, evil and intelligent man. A Vance presidency would probably be less insane and more calculating (for better and for worse) than Trump at least.
I think Vance would consider consequences. He wouldn’t drop a nuke on a whim.
Honestly, a smarter version of trump as president is a very concerning thought. I am not sure if it is better or much much worse.
Charismatic people rarely are smart because life is easier for them in the first place.