I also think part of the problem is that with the internet, we may just have a lot of data readily available, so much so people are overwhelmed they just tune it all out. We can spend a lot of time wondering why people vote the way they do but if the losing party doesn’t take the time to be retrospective and humble as to why they lost then I can’t blame people for that too much.

What’s more concerning is that millions more people saw it and didn’t bother to stop him.

Putin didn’t GAF about Donald Trump until he became useful enough. By that time the Orange Sack of Shit had already been stiffing creditors and skirting the law for decades, somehow living a life of abject luxury anyway, when if nature had taken its usual course he would have been a bankrupt nobody hustling $10 bar bets.

Which one was that again?

In that two party system?

“Go ahead, throw your vote away!” -Kodos

The Green Party? Yeah, hopefully before we all burn up. Stein still got <5% this time.

we don’t really have any more true democracies

What’s a True Democracy and when did we originally have it?

Is this where we blink past Jim Crow and put blinders on during the Nixon/Reagan years to pretend popular politics was a real thing prior to Clinton?

Or are we going to claim 1976 was the only truly free and fair election in IS history?

You imply that Trump actually intends to govern and not rule.

I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but the moron death cult already has the arsenal

Ah yes, I forgot that I personally controlled the nuclear arsenal. Thanks.

Even that isn’t enough unless you have a lot of money laying around and some kind of support network in whatever country you plan to escape to.

Most people don’t. I really didn’t get the whole scope/big picture until my wife (who immigrated as a child and now works with immigrant families) explained the whole process and gave examples of things she’s seen at work and with people in the community. Last night we got dinner with my mom and she asked “OK where are we moving to?” to only get a lengthy conversation of how it’s works and how hard it is. It’s not as easy as buying a plane ticket, selling all your stuff or shipping things to where you are going and then picking up life as normal. I hope most people here realize that, but I felt like it needed to be said.

I’ve looked, it’s also incredibly expensive, outside of many people’s means, mine included

What I kinda hate is the liberals who act like they want to help but are actively planning to leave the country.

If they are brown or queer, sure. It’s needed, seek asylum and live elsewhere. If they’re white cis liberals who happened to have a back up plan and just abandon the people who thought they would save them?

“I’m here to help. Oh we lost despite me browbeating you and tokenizing your life. I’m off to England and Canada, bye! Maybe I’ll give some bucks to a random gofundme.”

Canada has a housing crisis and is tilting right

Yeah. Trudeau’s not super popular anymore because of all his scandals, open corruption, and his handling of the economy and immigration (I expect the Trump win will probably solidify his base somewhat, though, once people start comparing the opposition to Trump) and the NDP’s never going to win a majority with Jagmeet at the helm (NDP voters aren’t too thrilled about how far up Trudeau’s ass his tongue regularly goes). That basically leaves the Bloc (which only cares about Quebec) and the Conservatives. No one outside of Quebec votes for the Bloc (no one serious, at least).

The most damaging thing Trump ever did was show the politicians of the world that you can pretty much just do whatever the fuck you want if you spread divisive hate and propaganda hard enough. The Cons weren’t anywhere close to what the Republicans were before he got into office. In our case, the economy usually did get better under them. Unfortunately, they’ve been steadily becoming more and more extreme over the past couple of elections. It looked like they were trying to be more moderate when they had Erin O’Toole, but there were still some morons among them that were eager to show that they’d gone batshit insane, so they’re back to doubling down on ol’ Canadian Ben Shapiro now.

Exactly. They’re DEALING WITH the far right. They haven’t just handed they keys to the country over.

There’s still a chance for them.

My wife and I have considered shoring up in Baja. We have quite a few friends in a well insulated community down there, and it’s a 12 hour drive from where we’re at, assuming they don’t lock the border from the inside (which they probably will at some point).

I thought the same except he won the popular vote too. I’m worried this isn’t a minority of people with loud voices…I think this is America.

I’ve been duped or in denial or something.

It blows my mind you can still love this country after last night. Dude, we just ceded everything to the bigots. They’ve overwhelmingly achieved all their goals.

What if I told you that the bigots made America into the hellscape you have Stockholm syndrome for?

Because the founding fathers certainly didn’t like non-whites. Or even a lot of other white people.

Yeah now that Russia has bought and paid for the US they can focus elsewhere.

By getting yourself a passport, a working permit for wherever you want to go and a plane ticket.

“If you don’t like America, leave!” Was what Republicans said for decades.

Now we’re expecting the poor and disabled and BIPOC to just do it because Harris failed. Unbelievable.

With Trump, Musk, and RFK Jr. running things, how can we go wrong?

Need someone to remind you of this comment in 2028?