Just a reminder to not let Lemmy be your echo chamber. Most people either don’t know about the shit we care about, or don’t care.
Unfortunately, it will probably get worse.
Considering the majority of Americans now get their news from mainstream media which is all run by Trumpers now. I’m not sure what they expected. Propaganda of the likes Hitler and Stalin would have approved of.
For those wondering how dumb the average American is…
"Among Republicans, 71% of respondents believe the country is trending positively under Trump, compared to 21% of Democrats and 31% of independents.
Respondents overwhelmingly named inflation as the top issue facing the country, with 41% of those surveyed saying it was the most pressing problem."
How’s that inflation going?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3d57zm9m0po
"US inflation increased by more than expected last month, as higher egg and energy prices helped to push up the cost of living for Americans.
Inflation rose to 3% in January, its highest rate for six months, and above the 2.9% expected by economists."
This is quite possibly the worst-designed and loaded poll I have ever seen
Here are some of the real, actual and totally-not-biased questions asked in this survey. There are no alternatives to these questions, these are the only ones asked about particular policy positions:
DJT08 Do you support or oppose each of these policies:
- Deporting immigrants who are here illegally and have committed crimes
- Undertaking a full—scale effort to find and eliminate fraud and waste in government expenditures
- Closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings
- Banning men who have undergone operations and hormones to become women from girls sports
- Declaring that there are only two genders male and female in all government forms and programs
- Eliminating all preferences by race in the hiring and awarding of government contracts
- Freezing and re—evaluating all foreign aid expenditures and the department that handled them
- Placing reciprocal tariffs on countries that have tariffs on US goods
https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Feb2025_HHP_Crosstabs.pdf
Do you support the following policies:
- allowing the continued existence of the sun
Count it, that’s a Trump supporter.
Holy cow, that’s… that’s pathetic. Good grief.
Well this is contradictory to what all the polls anyone has ever heard of are saying.
The only poll that maters is this November! So don’t forget to vote in (checks calendar) … dammit. Negative 3 months time.
Poll is inaccurate garbage because it’s asking whether people agree with Trump’s fake goals that he claims to want instead of his actual goals that he’s actually doing
They need to do studies where they remove the name of the politicians and instead ask people their opinion on certain subjects and then end with their political choice and rub it in their face that they’re actually voting against their opinions by voting for Trump.
Back during trump 1.0, I had an idea for a website where I would take news articles and swap Democrat and Republican words and phrases, like Trump <> Clinton or Obama, Obamacare <> ACA, etc. It was going to be called “45° Angle” (since he was the 45th president) and the tagline was going to be “The Right Perspective” or something like that. My thought was for it to be akin to the Colbert Report, something that passed at first glance but would pretty quickly be recognized for what it was with a bit of critical thinking, all for the purpose of being able to share articles with MAGAts and get them to agree before pulling the rug.
Take it from someone who has regularly played that card against conservatives:
They don’t care. It doesn’t even faze them. They trundle on with their lives and their opinions like nothing was said.
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t work on those people.
They “explain” it away pretty quickly.
Alternative more accurate headline would be “Most Americans are really stupid and ignorant and actually believe the things Fox News (or worse) reports are even remotely truthful”.
Also, “mainstream” media is far (FAR) more critical and nitpicky about Democrats and blame everything on them. When they question Republicans the bar is usually “can you confirm that racism is bad?”.
Can you confirm that racism is bad?
“Well, you seeeee …”
Not just Fox News zombies.
But yes. Most Americans are really stupid and ignorant.
By design, too. They’ve been dismantling our education system for two generations, and it wasn’t that great to begin with.
The really sad thing is, I believe, even with the American education system being sabotaged by the right, we’re probably better educated now on average than at any point in the past.
The difference is that the right formed a new coalition in the 80s, and got new propaganda tools in the 90s (Fox and other right-wing misinformation outlets) and 2000s (online disinformation). Being slightly better educated isn’t enough to counter that.
And now it’s going to get fucked even harder.
In the Information Age, the poor and uneducated rapidly gained access to the rest of the world and its knowledge, yet couldn’t tell what was true.
Those in power regarded these new cohorts opportunistically, as fertile soil and pliable tools, but the most cynical considered them weapons and cultivated their fear.
In the chaos that ensued, we sought to curtail their influence by censure, but the cynical were happy to amplify their voice. We attempted remediation with facts, but the cynical knew they preferred lies. So the conflict was recast as a war over culture and values, a profitable diversion for many.
We always dismissed the most obvious solution, addressing their fears, because these mostly boiled down to simple economic insecurity, and solving that has little short-term profit potential for those who have the most.
Yeah. Republicans love trump and hate biden. Democrats hate trump and only centrist democrats like biden.
All of Trump’s key policies received majority support except for renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, with deportation of illegal immigrants who have committed crimes (81%), eliminating fraud and waste in government expenditures (76%), and closing the border (76%) as the top three most supported policies.
Surely the proletariat will express their disgust with fascism any day now, we just had to Teach The Dems™ first. Any day now.
God damn, you will never stop being salty that genocide wasn’t a winning issue.
Based on the sample, this seems like a disingenuous poll.
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We always deported felons. Yet, P01135809’s deportation rate is actually lower than Biden’s.
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We always fought to eliminate fraud and waste. The GOP has invited felons convicted of fraud into the government.
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The border isn’t closed and hasn’t been.
If you’re asking these sorts of questions it feels more like push polling propaganda than an honest assessment of feelings.
It is a bullshit poll.
eliminating fraud and waste in government expenditures
If you ask that question, without being extremely specific as to how “fraud” and “waste” are defined, you’re going to get mass agreement. Nobody wants their tax dollars misused. But a Dem might say giving subsidies to the oil industry is fraud and waste, while a Republican might say any money spent on non-billionaires is fraud and waste.
It’s a disengenuous poll imo
Penn was a chief strategist and pollster in the Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential campaign. Penn later became a defender of Donald Trump, opposing his impeachment, consulting on his 2020 presidential campaign, and alleging a “deep state” conspiracy against him.
It doesn’t matter that we’ve always fought to eliminate fraud and waste and that the GOP is full of frauds. They support Dear Leader ‘eliminating’ fraud and waste.
Facts don’t matter, man.
I guess that’s my point. If the poll is not based on anything other than bullshit, what’s the point of giving it any consideration?
We may as well be discussing a poll on everyone’s favorite Teletubby.
I guess that’s my point. If the poll is not based on anything other than bullshit, what’s the point of giving it any consideration?
Because people approve of bullshit. Because people vote based on bullshit. Because people form their worldviews on bullshit.
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Did they ask about “siding with Russia over Ukraine”, or “Making peace in Ukraine in three weeks”? Yes framing matters, and obviously people support policies that are framed like “eliminating fraud and waste in government expenditure “. Wonder how that position is affected if you add the subclause “by kids that come straight out of high school “.
72% of voters say they want Ukraine to negotiate a settlement with Russia instead of winning the war. 60% of voters favor Trump announcing direct U.S.-Russia negotiations (Democrats: 40%; Republicans: 85%; Independents: 53%).
59% of voters oppose the Trump administration leaving Ukraine’s leaders out of negotiations with Russia. 55% of voters oppose the exclusion of European leaders.
57% of voters oppose the Trump administration forcing Ukraine to make territorial concessions to end the war, and 66% of voters say Ukraine should receive security guarantees from the U.S. if it were to make concessions.
61% of voters say security guarantees should be contingent on Ukraine sharing revenue from rare earth elements to pay back U.S. military support.
63% of voters believe Russia will continue to advance onto other countries if it successfully claims Ukrainian territory.
Ah, I see what the article got wrong now. They think he actually wants to implement those policies instead of just being evil for no reason and using those as a guise.
there’s is a lot of nuances with those top three. they sound pretty good as an idea but I’m against trumps definition and actions on each of those items
I support deporting undocumented immigrants who commit a crime… for certain definitions of crime. I am not aware of anyone in my personal circle who would say that someone who bypassed asylum seeking to enter the country undocumented and then raped someone should be allowed to stay… the issue is that the administration considers all undocumented immigrants to be equally worthy of deportation while disallowing reasonable legal paths to immigrate.
Due to the sematic bad faith tools in place it’s extremely difficult to actually gauge legitimate opinion since that wording evokes a particular ideation in conservatives and the administration exploits that mismatch to commit actions that most Americans find objectionable.
So someone enters the country illegally, commits a crime, you want to just send them back? To do it all again? Rather than, you know, put them in jail for the crime?
Yes, coupled with actual paths to immigrate legally even without “marketable skills”.
Yeah, plus a lot of people in the Democratic party are more comfortable going after Ilhan Omar and protesting college students than their Republican friends, so the counter messaging has been totally incoherent and confused and that’s gotta be helping Trump’s poll numbers a bit
And quite frankly, among (young) progressive people, getting attacked head-on by Trump is somewhat more predictable and less emotionally taxing than getting backstabbed and gaslighted by liberals.
Which is why a lot of them didn’t vote for Kamala.
I don’t yet know where the American political realignment will end, but the liberal/progressive coalition that elected Clinton, Obama and Biden seems to be irreparably damaged.
Yeah. There’s nothing like cutting our own throats.
A poll could just be a survey given to a skewed and biased crowd of people. Or it could be given to 10 people or otherwise a number that isn’t representative of the people overall population.
Polls don’t mean dick.
Did you actually read the article? Surveyed 2400+ people
Right and you think 2400 is representative of the entire population in what way???
You’ve never taken a statistics class before. It really shows smh.
You can check the poll’s methodology, probably. It’s Harvard.
Unfortunately, it will probably get worse.
History demonstrates that it’s very likely to get much worse. Too many humans refuse to ever admit they might be wrong. The problem is each time things get pushed to the limit, it affects more and more of the world at the same time. This may be one of the last - if not the last - times we get to go through this cycle and still manage to survive as a relatively civilized set of societies.
Among Republicans, 71% of respondents believe the country is trending positively under Trump, compared to 21% of Democrats and 31% of independents.
55% of voters support birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, with 63% believing it is a requirement in the U.S. constitution, breaking with Trump on the issue.
Ok, so 37% are denying reality
Yeah.
I do not believe this for a fucking second.
Why not?
The Trumpoids march in lockstep with each other, repeating the same, predictable, consistent lines.
Dems don’t. Dems have deep and very heated disagreements over issues that most Americans don’t care about, or care about but don’t understand, and are frustrated that the issue is complex and not solved by saying “I solve it”.
To an inattentive observer (ie most Americans), it looks like one side has all their ducks in a row and the other doesn’t.
Add in a dash of long-standing racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and a very “Me me me” attitude towards foreign affairs, and you have the American electorate.
Why wouldn’t they believe this?
