This is ridiclous
excellent marketing strategy to get us talking about their stuff that would otherwise get almost completely under our radar.
i mean fuck where the power button of a product ill probably never need is.
Oh an Apple thread. More people angry at something they were never going to buy anyway.
Assuming you mount it on the back of something that would probably be a pretty good place.
I use a lot of mini Linux computers and mount them to the back of monitors. I could see this design being perfect for that except it’s way more expensive lol
At least they didn’t put the fucking power port on the bottom.
Guess the Magic Mouse design team was getting bored
Asahi Linux 👀
Just be thankful they didn’t put the power cord there like they did with the mouse.
This could be a nice little computer if it had good linux support
Unless your computer has issues, can’t you just power off from within macOS?
And then how do you turn it back on?
How often do you need to actually turn it on? Won’t it sleep? Pretty much should only need to turn it on after moving the thing. You can restart from with in the OS if you need to.
I don’t know if there is a version of Poe’s law for Apple fanboys, but your comment makes me think there should be.
I don’t know if there is a version of Poe’s law for Apple fanboys, but your comment makes me think there should be.
Roflmao
I don’t own a Mac Mini, and never will. I’m not trying to defend Apple.
But I’ll use my work laptop as an example. I have external monitors, so I never open the damn thing except on the rare occasions I need to use the power button. This happens infrequently enough that it gives me a pretty good notion of how often people need the actual power button on a modern computer.
If the button can be reached without turning over the device or even picking it up, as it sure appears, what’s the problem? Other than that it’s an Apple device and people love to hate on Apple devices.
I turn my desktop off every single day, so I need the power button daily, I turn my work laptop off weekly.
those should be reversed
My home laptop has an uptime of almost 30 days at this point, who needs a power button?
Yeah i dunno. Magic mouse? Poor ass design. This? You might have to tilt it up a centimeter or two to hit the power button.
I have a M1 Mac Mini… power button in the rear. I dont turn it off. It shares a screen with an internal KVM with a Windows PC…that also never gets turned off.
My work laptop is more of a PITA since that does get shut down and I need to pull it out of the stand i have it resting in to open the lid most the way to turn it back on if I swap the USB C cable from the Mini. Not the case when docked at work since the dock has a power button on it.
it’s a shitty design? From a company worth over 3 trillion, that gives them extra shitty points.
What is the
<-->port for? HTML? I thought that was port 80 or 443…Html doesn’t use any port, that’s HTTP
It’s a joke, note the conflation of port (physical connector) and port (one of 65536 virtual pathways for applications). Also, HTTP(S) (port 80 or 443 by default) is literally “Hypertext Transfer Protocol” so it’s fair to say it was designed to carry HTML.
It’s an Ethernet port. For some reason Apple decided
<···>is the glyph to use for that.I hate their refusal to use standardized symbols
They’ve used that exact same symbol since they first added an Ethernet port to their computers in the early 1990’s. It was one of the first mass-market computers with integrated Ethernet. It literally defined the standard when there was no standards body for such a thing.
Is there a standardized symbol for Ethernet? The only one on the Wikipedia page for Ethernet is Apple’s.
https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/137839/ethernet-connector.png
Is the one I’ve always seen for ages.
How do I know that’s not just a segment of a giant token ring
Is it standardized?
And honestly, it depicts a modern Ethernet network worse than the Apple icon does
))<···>((
Literally ISO
https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5988And yes, we use switches but the lower network layers abstract that away and a LAN is still like a single bus on the network layer and up.
Just put it on its side.
Warranty voided.
Steve Jobs roided
Apple is powered by the copium of their fanbase, so maybe the next model won’t even need a power cable.
It’ll still NEED a power cable, it just won’t COME with one.
YOU won’t need one because you’ll already HAVE one from the last Mac Mini you bought last year.
To be fair, aren’t those mini PCs meant for HTPCs/home servers? You’re not really supposed to turn them off, and if you really want easy power button access you can just set it upside down. I’d say it’s a good idea if you take into account that it’s aimed at Apple customers who care more about “design” over usability. They truly “think different” over there.
Honestly as infrequently as I turn my machines off this really doesn’t bother me. The mouse on the other hand….
Yeah, fuck that mouse, there’s no excuse for that one.
“different” is just another word for “weird”
ThInK DiFfErEnT
I’m not really trying to come to Apple’s defense here as they don’t need it, but everyone reacting as though this is as bad as or worse than the mouse charging port seems to be ignoring the fact that most computers nowadays don’t need to be manually turned off or on with any level of frequency. People will push this button like once or twice a month I imagine. I don’t see why that’s the end of the world.
I think it’s more about design. Apple is a company that has set a high standard for design and premium looking/feeling products. I understand that it still works, but I also think it’s not the best design. It’s just not the expectation Apple has set as a brand. Same goes for the mouse that charges on the bottom.
On one hand, I’m happy that Apple is breaking away from some of their earlier values (e.g. recently allowing for more iOS customization) but I do appreciate how well designed their products tend to be. I hope they don’t get sloppy with future products. So yeah, it’s just a silly power button, but it just seems out of character for their brand.
What the hell are you talking about? I push the power button every single day on my PC. I’m aware that wake on LAN is a thing, but your average computer user doesn’t utilize that feature. And only a psychopath who doesn’t care about their power bill nor the environment would leave their PC running 24/7.
You can wake a Mac by clicking the mouse or hitting literally any of the hundred+ buttons on the keyboard.
…also this power button is dumb.
Thats the thing i have never turned off a mac in my entire life… always sleep and wake
I’m tired of repeating myself, so please just check my comment history so I don’t have to tell you why this is a bad idea for the fourth time in this thread.
You can accurately preach best usecases all you want it falls flat before peopled experience.
I always shutdown my desktop. So did i with all my previous desktops.
Ive always shut down every windows/linux laptop i ever had.
I shut down my android tablet after use.
I owned and mainly used a MacBook pro for 5 years, i never shut it down, i never shutdown my iPhone. It was also ironically the best windows laptop i had owned at that point (in dual boot) and i always shut down when i worked in Windows, just never in macos
Apple did not tell me to do this, it is not difficult to shutdown a mac, no one told me to change what i am used to. It just somehow made the most sense so thats how i used it. And i reverted naturally when i ent back to non apple desktops. I cant explain it better then that.
This does not excuse having a power button on the bottom, thats just ridiculous. Just a hint that what your saying about downsides is irrelevant to how people realistically use it.
You seem very pissed off about absolutely nothing. Maybe a Mac just isn’t for you. Chill out and maybe log off for a bit
I’m not upset; you’re projecting.
The power draw of these things when sleeping is negligible. They’re basically off, so there’s no real need to shut them down with any regularity.
I can use my MacBook for a whole day and still have half the battery left. Their power efficiency is genuinely remarkable.
Maybe, but desktop computers use about 5w when asleep, and 0w when off. I’ve measured this with a Kill-a-Watt power meter. 5w may be negligible to the individual, but when you multiply that by the billions of desktops all around the world, 5w isn’t so negligible anymore. Please just turn your computer off at the end of the day.
This is short-sighted. The amount of extra power the computer draws at a high power state while performing boot-up tasks makes the sleep power draw a better option. Not to mention the sleep power draw happens at off-peak hours where the grid can provide more green power vs. the dirty mid-morning peak power. The break-even point that I’ve calculated across the machines I’ve plugged into my meter is approximately 3-4 days. With a big ol’ “it depends” sticker slapped on top.
Edit: and my lazy methodology doesn’t even account for the extra energy used by the machine throughout the day when it has to cold-start various programs and tasks without any caches.
Double-edit: if you want to go the extra mile you can use the “hibernate” feature of windows after force-enabling it or the “pmset sleepmode {whateverthefuckitis} “ of macOS to split the difference. Or you can take a shower that’s literally 10 seconds shorter because heating shower water for literally only 10 seconds will use more power than any of these things. I strongly implore you to calculate your trip to the grocery store in kilowatt/hrs as well. Optimize where it matters!
This is correct, but still, fuck apple. What if I just prefer to turn my computer off instead of putting it into sleep mode? And how exactly am I supposed to wake up my computer from sleep if the power button is inaccessible? I know macs can be configured to wake up on keyboard/mouse activity, but that makes them too easy to wake up on accident.
It would be annoying, but to be fair, it’s the Mac Mini, which is small and easy to pick up. I would guess you could just tip the corner up to press the button.
I still think it’s a dumb design. It’s going to confuse everyday users
It’s going to confuse everyday users
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I believe this is the intention. I think big companies deliberately put in confusing and bad design to “test the waters” and see if people will still buy their products. It’s the same with the apple mouse charging on the bottom, or why companies keep making their logos uglier with each iteration. It’s a psy-op to condition the masses into accepting worse products without complaining.
You know this thing is tiny, right? It’ll be shockingly easy to pick up and press the button. Even with cables hanging out of it.
I use a 2014 mini with all cables hanging out the back, and it’s really easy to pick up.
I should have considered that I was posting this comment to Lemmy before posting it.
Maybe you push the dedicated power button on your computer’s case everyday but I’m very confident most users of any computer do not. And in that regard I’m including all computers - wearable, handheld, and laptops. We’re well past the age where most users feel the need to fully shutdown and boot their computers everyday, AND there are plenty of software buttons and even some physical keyboard buttons for shutting down a computer so I mean it when I say that I think most computer case’s power buttons go untouched for definitely days and possibly weeks at a time.
Why need Wake on LAN when basically any USB input device can take your computer out of sleep?
Because it’s way too easy to accidently bump into your mouse or keyboard and un-intentionally wake your machine. I disabled that shit cause I was tired of my PC constantly waking on the rare occasion I put it to sleep.
And like I said elsewhere in this thread, my PC uses 5w when asleep, and 0w when off. 5w is not a lot, but multiply that by the billions of PCs that are out there and it adds up. A modern machine with an NVME SSD takes less than 10 seconds to boot anyway, so there’s really no point in using sleep unless you just like destroying the environment and paying an extra $12/year in electricity for no reason.
Here you were saying the average user isn’t going to use Wake on LAN, but you expect them to disable USB devices waking their computer?
I have my USB’s disabled as well, but I was talking averages here.
but you expect them to disable USB devices waking their computer?
He expects people to turn off their computer when they are done with it, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to expect. Apple is deliberately making it harder to use this computer in a way many people use their computer.
Average Windows user L
laughs in home lab
Not that I’d buy it but, if I did, that power button might get used twice a year. Likely less since I wouldn’t be able to upgrade or maintenance its hardware.
To be fair, if you have a home lab setup (or even a simple server), you’re not the average computer user.
The average user uses sleep mode and wakes from sleep. Sleep mode should be under 10w, or around $1/mo.
I can’t wait for Apple to reveal a desk, with a keyboard built-in underneath the back side of it.
It would be an electric standig desk as well, battery powered obviously, and you would need to flip the table top 90 degrees up sideways to recharge the battery every other month.
People would sleep outside to get their hands on it ASAP.
That desk would have a hidden monitor as well, like a fucked up pimp my ride car.
24" but 24K pixels.
Glorious 160x150 resolution
okay, I was gonna say that it’s not that big of a deal because you can just slightly lift it when you want to turn it on (or just slide your finder under it, if they’re small enough) but judging by that photo, it seems like the power button is at the back of the computer? whyyyy??
anyways, im more impressed by the fact that their new shiny mouse who finally uses USB-C still has the charging port at the bottom. im starting to think they think it’s a good design???
My theory is: free publicity. Just like the fashion industry comes up with ridiculous clothes that no one would ever wear, attention whores will constantly do outrageous things so that people will talk about them. The number of electrons spilled over this stupid mouse port placement over the years is uncountable. But the repeated conversations keep Apple in the public consciousness as a fashionista.
I just think it’s weird that people are complaining about the power button and the mouse charging situation, but no one is complaining that this DESKTOP computer does not have any USB-A ports. If you want to use any wired keyboard or a Logitech mouse with the adapter you’ll need to attach a dongle. Crazy.
USB-C has been out for years. The only issue IMO is that since USB-C negotiates power delivery, it might not be as easy to split out a USB-C port into multiple USB-C ports. Spitting USB-A ports is easy since they only do 5V, and spitting USB-C into multiple USB-A ports should be fine. But if your peripherals all become USB-C, you might find yourself running out of ports fast.
I am not an expert. I probably got something wrong there, but that’s my understanding.
The things that I would plug into a computer are generally peripherals, webcam, printers, scanner, etc. They generally come with USB A plugs. Also nearly every useful USB-C hub is designed for a laptop and has a built in short cord. The new Mac Mini has three Thunderbolt 4 ports which is more than adequate for high speed applications and video. TB4 allows for hubs like the CalDigit Element Hub which has 4 USB-A and 4 Thunderbolt 4 ports but costs $180.
I’m not an Apple fanboy, nor have I ever purchased one of their products (and I don’t plan to), but I’m actually fine with this because there are lots of USB-C mice and keyboards on the market these days in every price range. At the very most, you might have to buy a different cable because the ones I’ve bought tend to come with USB-C to USB-A cables instead of C to C. But eventually that will change as USB-A is inevitably phased out.
I actually do buy Apple products and I can accept your logic for a laptop because I use a docking station. The point of the Mac Mini is to be the cheap Mac and adding extra cords or dongles just increases the cost and creates a mess behind the machine.
My MacBook has just two USB-C sockets. When I bought it I picked up a couple of A adapters on Amazon for a few quid each. It’s never been an issue. Even less so with a desktop, as you’re able to leave the adapters in all the time.
Yes but we are bitching about trivial things and the lack of USB-A is far worse than the location of the power button on a desktop. I don’t accept the mouse criticism because it’s not required to buy a Magic Mouse. I have a MacBook but I use a Thunderbolt dock so in my use case the usb-c port increases convenience.
I read someone else musing that they must have thought that keeping it plugged in all the time would be bad, so the made it impossible to use the mouse while plugged in. Seems plausible. I suppose it would degrade the battery? Or the cord drag would be bad?
On the battery, they should have been able to do whatever they thought best in the battery management system, in that case.
Simple answer is easiest, that they are obsessed with the “clean” minimalist look and want to abolish every visible port and buttin they can.
Surprised though that the mouse didn’t do the magsafe thing.
The design forces the user to use it wirelessly. Apple just wants their products to look better, meaning NO CORDS EVER. It’s entirely about aesthetic.
If that’s the case, then why does the wireless keyboard have the port on the back?
They should have just released a mouse pad that can charge the mouse wirelessly then.
$7.000
If I worked at Apple, I’d hire you right here, right now.
im surprised they haven’t done this tbh
Apparently Logitech does have this out now, so I wonder if they patented the “concept” and it will be another 20 years before anyone can do it. Assuming that someone else didn’t already do it 20 years ago and that patented already ran out.
Ive seen one at least 10 years ago already. But that didn’t exactly charge the mouse, instead the mouse relied on always being on the pad to work.
Their trackpad can and does work via USB so ???
I have one of their trackpads and it works great with Ubuntu over USB but not over Bluetooth for some reason. (It connects, but Ubuntu doesn’t handle it well.)
It’s literally just the same body as the OG Magic Mouse, which had a bay for a pair of AAs underneath. All they did was remove the bay, put a rechargeable battery in there, and a socket to charge it. It takes a couple of minutes to give it 9 hours of juice.
There’s no grand conspiracy.
“But it looks bad and could be bad for the battery!”
Every other wireless mouse has it in the front, Apple has no valid reason to leave it at the bottom.
The fact that everyone hasn’t taken on this design trend just shows how stupid it is.
They also take on stupid design trends, like removing the headphone jack.
This one is just several degrees more stupid.
