After operation that policing expert say may have cost 'seven figures', Toronto police pursuing hate-crime charges against activists who postered Indigo
Yeah I don’t see hate, just a protest calling out a CEO funding recruitment to an army that is shelling civilians…which is a different topic than if war is justified and who has the best propoganda. But the police over reach is looking like dictatorship countries that squash information
War sucks but this war won’t end if Israel stops because Hamas(and Iran who’s funding them) has goals incompatible with peace. It will just be a genocide against Israelis instead.
Israel also has goals incompatible with peace. Hamas and Likud are partners in this crime. Unfortunately we’ve never known what happens if Israel stops considering that the illegal settlements, apartheid state, and starvation of Gaza has been ongoing for decades.
I feel like I’ve witnessed/learned something from the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the Canadian response. (There are many examples of this in history, but this may be the first one that’s really commanded my attention.) The less people (average Canadians) know about the history of something (Israel-Palestine) the more they will tend to uncritically accept the dominant narratives about something (that may be far removed from reality, international law, etc.)
My guess is the dominant narrative requires the least effort to support, no need to research and draw your own conclusions when politicians and news sources claim that the status quo is justified.
I agree it’s less effort. I think it’s also safer (and most know this at least unconsciously) to adopt the dominant opinion as one’s own than it is to challenge those in power or their narratives or to stand up for those without power - which can be alienating. Being morally and/or factually correct is an independent matter
People are split on this “war” because you have to understand 3 ideas but only one is being talked about.
Hamas are terrorists and need to be stopped
The Israeli military response has been primarily to punish everyone not systematically eliminate Hamas
The displacement of Palestinians should never have happened and lead to the development terrorist groups
The way that this is being sold by the news is that Palestinians have been waging an aimless, 60 year religious war against the innocent but technologically superior Israelis. While superficially “true” it doesn’t cover the whole situation and doesn’t help people understand that Hamas terrorists makes up a minority of the Palestinian population.
Yah sure 1000 vs 14000 + think the scales have been evened. Dropping as much bombs in a week as America did in a year in a much smaller space. It was never about the hostages though how can you bomb the shit out of the place and expect them to live.
Can’t upset the Israel. Look at the difference between people talking out about Israel and the ones talking out about Gaza. Talk bad about Gaza/Palestinians nothing happens talk bad about Israel and you get in trouble, specially actors.
This wasn’t a peaceful protest though. This was a crime motivated by hate according to the police
…and frankly the social media posts the perpetrators made backs that up. They attacked a Canadian business that has no say or vote in Israeli politics.
Wow. So people can’t peacefully protest now? Because we might upset Israel relations…
They did commit vandalism, but I do agree this kind of police response is way out of line for such an offense.
I’m fairly pro Israel in this conflict, but even I don’t think this vandalism was hate motivated based on what I see in the posters or what was said.
Yeah I don’t see hate, just a protest calling out a CEO funding recruitment to an army that is shelling civilians…which is a different topic than if war is justified and who has the best propoganda. But the police over reach is looking like dictatorship countries that squash information
I don’t think property damage is considered violence.
Violence against the property of the wealthy is the worst crime you can commit.
If your employer misses a paycheck you are fucked, if you go to the till and take the money you’re getting fired and a visit from the cops.
I didn’t say anything about violence.
Sorry somehow Lemmy put my reply to the wrong comment. I meant to post that on the person saying this wasn’t a peaceful protest.
“Genocide is pretty OK” - this guy
War sucks but this war won’t end if Israel stops because Hamas(and Iran who’s funding them) has goals incompatible with peace. It will just be a genocide against Israelis instead.
Israel also has goals incompatible with peace. Hamas and Likud are partners in this crime. Unfortunately we’ve never known what happens if Israel stops considering that the illegal settlements, apartheid state, and starvation of Gaza has been ongoing for decades.
I feel like I’ve witnessed/learned something from the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the Canadian response. (There are many examples of this in history, but this may be the first one that’s really commanded my attention.) The less people (average Canadians) know about the history of something (Israel-Palestine) the more they will tend to uncritically accept the dominant narratives about something (that may be far removed from reality, international law, etc.)
My guess is the dominant narrative requires the least effort to support, no need to research and draw your own conclusions when politicians and news sources claim that the status quo is justified.
I agree it’s less effort. I think it’s also safer (and most know this at least unconsciously) to adopt the dominant opinion as one’s own than it is to challenge those in power or their narratives or to stand up for those without power - which can be alienating. Being morally and/or factually correct is an independent matter
People are split on this “war” because you have to understand 3 ideas but only one is being talked about.
The way that this is being sold by the news is that Palestinians have been waging an aimless, 60 year religious war against the innocent but technologically superior Israelis. While superficially “true” it doesn’t cover the whole situation and doesn’t help people understand that Hamas terrorists makes up a minority of the Palestinian population.
Yah sure 1000 vs 14000 + think the scales have been evened. Dropping as much bombs in a week as America did in a year in a much smaller space. It was never about the hostages though how can you bomb the shit out of the place and expect them to live.
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Can’t upset the Israel. Look at the difference between people talking out about Israel and the ones talking out about Gaza. Talk bad about Gaza/Palestinians nothing happens talk bad about Israel and you get in trouble, specially actors.
This wasn’t a peaceful protest though. This was a crime motivated by hate according to the police …and frankly the social media posts the perpetrators made backs that up. They attacked a Canadian business that has no say or vote in Israeli politics.
Also the crime here is vandalism which does not warrant smashing in the door at 4am to arrest somebody. Total fascist cop moves
Except the CEO funding the Israeli army
Their job is to get convictions not to find or disseminate the truth.
The police don’t get convictions. They arrest law breakers, or at least they did here.