The Republican presidential candidate ridiculously claimed that Biden is "trying to hold" Bibi back, as the Israeli prime minister continued to ruthlessly bomb Lebanon and Gaza.

“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

  • reddit_sux@lemmy.world
    51·
    2 hours ago

    People not voting bcoz of Gaza are fools bcoz that genocide will continue immatter of who is in the white house. US support will continue.

    Biden’s actions have shown there is no restraints, so has Harris’s. I am not believing anything Trump is saying.

  • Minarble@aussie.zone
    151·
    4 hours ago

    If you are an American voter and you sit this one out or vote 3rd party and Trump gets in you are directly supporting escalation and taking whatever little restraint away that Netanyahu is feeling from the USA.

    Instead of calls for restraint you will have cheerleading from the sidelines.

  • Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    344·
    5 hours ago

    C’mon enlightened lefties! Come on and tell me how you won’t be voting for genocide and we should follow so the Democrats figure out through losing the election that they should court lefties. Nevermind we get 4 years of, “he’s doing a good job” as long as Democrats learn to denounce genocide.

    C’mon you fucking cowards, get in here and sell me on how Trump winning helps solve your single issue voting on genocide.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      143·
      4 hours ago

      I’m voting for Harris. She shouldn’t be supporting genocide and neither should you.

    • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
      54·
      2 hours ago

      This is ignorant as fuck. First of all, there is no more reliable group of voters in the country than progressives. Not even MAGA members have shown up at polls as reliably for Republicans as the left has for Democrats. Still, the Democratic establishment whines about leftists staying home to excuse their pathetic losses, and morons eat it up.

      Also, even if there were any kind of truth to this narrative, trying to win an election by shaming voters is dumb as fuck. No voter who is as fickle as you think the left is, is going to decide to show up because you shouted insults at them. This isn’t a strategy to win elections, it’s a strategy to excuse losing them.

      It’s not “left” voters saying they will stay home, not in significant numbers. It’s Muslim voters or, more precisely, it’s voters who know the names of the people being systematically slaughtered with US weapons. While I agree that voting Democrat is the best bad option for Palestinians, I can’t get behind shaming someone for not voting to elect someone unrepentantly responsible for blowing up their loved ones. If they can’t stomach voting for Harris, I don’t blame them.

      • davidagain@lemmy.world
        31·
        1 hour ago

        There are a bunch of “leftists” on lemmy arguing till the cows come home that leftists mustn’t vote for the Democrats on the grounds that Kamala Harris is personally responsible for genocide in Gaza, who are able to both-sides any and every criticism of the Republicans. They advocate not voting and voting third parties, anything, really, as long as anyone with a conscience over Gaza excludes themselves from affecting whether Kamala Harris or Donald Trump becomes president. They argue that losing to the right wingers will push them left, but I think it’ll drag them to the right where the votes are, and that if you withhold your vote when the alternative is someone who promised to be dictator on day one (and more recently says he’ll send the military to deal with “the enemy within”, which is apparently left wing folk), your vote isn’t winnable anyway and you’ve excluded yourself from the very effect on voting you claim to be having, but none of that makes any difference to the people calling themselves leftists who want trump to win.

    • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      71·
      4 hours ago

      True. I think it’s more about whether Harris can pull in the “genocide bad” folks, or loses them to third-party protest votes. Of course if any of those folks were paying attention to the crap coming out of Trump’s mouth, they’d understand how much worse Trump will be. I had folks (hexbear and .ml of course) on a different post telling me that not only would Harris and Trump be the same on this, but that Harris would actually be worse. And of course they’re willfully ignoring how bad Trump would be on everything else.

      I have a suspicion that part of what’s pushing Harris’ campaign strategy right now to focus on courting more “centrists” is that they know whatever she did to appeal to the left that’s not voting for her would never be enough to satisfy them. Far easier to court the middle with straightforward messaging than to appeal to a voting bloc that is already determined to hate anyone that’s not as chaotic as they are.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        34·
        4 hours ago

        True. I think it’s more about whether Harris can pull in the “genocide bad” folks

        I haven’t seen her try. Have you?

        • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          51·
          3 hours ago

          Thanks for proving my point.

          Not that you’ll read it, but I think this might help explain:

          https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/09/kamala-harris-israel-policy-palestine-gaza-war.html

          Perhaps Harris’ loudest statement, however, was prefaced by her absence. Shortly after getting the nod from Biden in July, Harris snubbed Netanyahu, skipping his speech to Congress. (She spoke to a Black sorority, instead.) The next day, she met privately with him—later describing their talk as “frank and productive,” words that your boss might use after a performance review goes poorly.

          The reaction to her remarks was underwhelming at the time, but the remarks themselves were extraordinary. “We cannot allow ourselves to become numb to the suffering” of Palestinians in Gaza, “and I will not be silent,” she told reporters and cameras. “Israel has a right to defend itself—but how it does so matters.” It was as close as a sitting vice president could possibly come to reading Netanyahu for filth without creating a diplomatic crisis.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
            34·
            3 hours ago

            Her messaging regarding unconditional support for the genocide all centrists love is more convincing than subtle hints that slate has to speculate about.

            • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
              61·
              3 hours ago

              A nuanced take as always /s

              Did you even get to the end of the article or did you just read the headline?

              Harris has very little room to maneuver, however, without losing a huge part of her base and the party machinery that are still deeply attached to Israel. There is only so much a candidate and sitting vice president can do or say to break with the position held by her staunchly Zionist president, a Democratic establishment beholden to the pro-Israel lobby and AIPAC, and a broad swath of her liberal base that strongly supports Israel and its war. If she’s serious about getting elected, she has to withhold the kind of unambiguous statement—or action—that pro-Palestine activists demand. So she’s reduced to tone of voice, oblique gestures, a message hidden between the lines.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                32·
                2 hours ago

                Did you even get to the end of the article or did you just read the headline?

                I read the article. I don’t buy excuses and apologia when we’re talking about literal genocide. I also regard with earned disgust anyone who makes such excuses.

                The whole “she absolutely can’t differ from Biden in any way except for these subtle hints we speculate about” thing is garbage. She’s not the secretary of state. She’s not running everything behind the scenes like Dick Cheney, though she seems to have garnered his approval, and it speaks volumes that centrists were so goddamned happy about his endorsement. In any event, she is free to differ on foreign policy and chooses not to.

                I’m still voting for her. I’m going to be at the polls this coming Monday, which is when early voting opens here in Texas. I have every right to criticize her for supporting Netanyahu’s genocide, even if Netanyahu’s apologists want me to buy that she has shown any opposition whatsoever to the only policy centrists seriously hold.

                • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
                  32·
                  2 hours ago

                  Okay, let’s play this out. What exactly do you want her to say? Specifically. Because it’s not like as VP she can do anything about it directly. So this is just going to be a statement, right?

                  Let’s say as part of that statement, she says Israel should get no more aid. That would be the crux of it, correct? And Biden then has to come out and say, that’s not happening while I’m President. Factions within the Democrats withdraw funding and support from her campaign. And the Iranians start actually drooling about being able to basically act unopposed. Hezbollah gets some shiny new missiles to kill more civilians. Centrists withdraw support from Harris and more than likely sit out the election, though a few may move over to Trump. November 6 rolls around and Trump wins, the region is even more of a shitshow than it is now, and just as important, Palestinians will still be dying. And under Trump it will get much, much worse.

                  Or…she tries to thread a very small needle, gets elected, and can the come to the bargaining table as the newly sworn-in President. She still has to juggle a bunch of different interests, but as President she has the power to do more than make statements and has quite a bit of latitude when it comes to foreign policy. Harris wouldn’t have been my top choice, or even in my top 5, but I can honestly say I can’t believe she won’t make saving Palestinian lives a priority, unlike Biden. But she can’t do it as a candidate.

  • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    60·
    7 hours ago

    it’s quite different from Trump’s bombastic rhetoric: He has repeatedly said that Israel has to “finish the job.” The former president’s Friday comments appear to be an attempt to paint Biden, and by extension, Harris, as being less supportive of Israel than him

    Trump wants genocide escalated and completed on a faster timetable. If you don’t think that includes the West Bank in the long-term plan, you’re being naive.

    Biden is trying to get a ceasefire deal from a madman. Harris needs to win the election and can’t if Israel turns against her. Trump actively wants to commit accelerated genocide on Palestinians.

    Anyone who is pro-Palestinian and is thinking about voting for Trump needs to be aware of the long-term consequences.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
    44·
    8 hours ago

    From a purely strategic perspective, is this wise of Trump?

    My impression is that even many American Jewish people don’t like Netanyahu. And he doesn’t need to remind anti-Harris protest voters that he’s even more anti Palestine. Many MAGA diehards don’t even like Netanyahu.

    Like… who is he appealing to? Older Republicans, I guess, who remember Israel’s early days?

  • ceenote@lemmy.world
    221·
    8 hours ago

    Honestly, is there anyone alive today with more blood on their hands than Benjamin Netanyahu?

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      4 hours ago

      Trump’s response to covid. Putin’s entire career. Kim Jong Un’s slow starvation of his entire fucking nation. But Netanyahu is up there and we should stop letting him write our foreign policy.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 hours ago

          Yeah, him too. But I’m not gonna minimize the perpetrator of an ongoing genocide either. Netanyahu is a piece of shit and we shouldn’t be supporting his genocide. No matter how much centrists want to. We should cease selling him weapons right now. Centrists might not get everything they want for the first time ever, but they can vote blue no matter who.

    • Stovetop@lemmy.world
      26·
      7 hours ago

      It’s sad to say, but yes. Gaza is a horrific tragedy, but it is an admittedly small corner of the world.

      The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead. Meanwhile, George W. Bush is responsible for the deaths of over a million Iraqis following his completely unnecessary invasion of Iraq. He’s still kicking, probably using some of that blood on his hands for the painting he does now.

      Putin is also pulling comparable numbers as Bibi in Ukraine, though that conflict has been going on for a little bit longer than the one in Gaza. But that’s also not counting how many of his own men he sent to their deaths, which is estimated to be over 100,000.

      Henry Kissinger would also be on this list but thankfully it’s been almost a year since his long-awaited demise.

      And that’s really only looking at conflict. Not factoring in others who are responsible for large-scale humanitarian crises that may end up killing many more people just from disease or starvation.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        71·
        5 hours ago

        Not to detract from your point, but the real number of deaths in Gaza is estimated to be between 100-200 thousand.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
        81·
        5 hours ago

        The Palestinian health ministry has reported 40,000+ Palestinian dead.

        That only counts people who get found, obviously it doesn’t count the tens of thousands who are dead or dying under the rubbel. The real number is probably an order of magnitude higher.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
    19·
    8 hours ago

    If you’re exceptionally fascist, Trump will allot you extra praise. This is earnest as well - it’s because he was mentored by a fascist type personality in Roy Cohn - and raised by a ruthless racist Capitalist in the form of his father who refused to rent his properties to black people (putting a ‘c’ on their applications to indicate they were people of color).