Approximately 45% of the available combat ready aircraft are in position at various air bases, which include carriers. One does not deploy and concentrate air assets like that unless you want the shit to hit the fan. Wasting billions for nothing.
This is Trump’s MO, I think he was hoping for a lot more coverage from the media on this to drown out the Epstein stuff. I guess he thinks if he does order a strike, it will help take the pedo-heat off him, but it’d be the most foolish decision he’s ever made, Iran are not to be fucked with militarily.
Exactly, it feels like a distraction tactic, but any military move against Iran would be insanely risky. Definitely not a smart play.👌
Indeed, another distraction. I’m going to laugh if the EU NATO members tells the USA our airspace is off limits.
tomorrow we dine in hell
I feel like this needs to be updated
NVIDIA OpenAI Palantir Meta X Google Apple Anthropic
this one is missing
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Isn’t this the 3rd time during the Epstein presidency that soldiers have been served their penultimate meal?
Bro. The Epstein presidency has been running since the mid-90s. It’s a lot more than 3 times.
May they suffer in eternal hell for what they are doing
Focus that rage upward.
I have such distain for our military industrial complex and ICE, but I recognize so much of the problem is desperate people taking desperate measures. They decided it’s better to risk your life in a foreign war than it is to be home watching you and your family whither away with no healthcare, education, or money. I don’t agree but I can understand- debt will put anyone in a pressure cooker. Two things can be true at once- being a stoog for American imperialism makes you horrible, but people who are stooges can still be people to show sympathy for when you consider the factors at play.
When the revolution comes, as all revolutions do, it is only when the military allows the people to storm the gates. In my head we don’t need to thank service members as much as say I’m so sorry what this country did to them.
I’m Persian, from Iran. I don’t give a fuck why those yank butchers signed up to go murder my family. They already killed my moms side in Iraq now they’re going to go kill my dad’s side. Fuck them and I hope they burn in hell. I wish they would skip to the part where they shoot themselves drunk and spare my family that remains in Iran.
As an Iranian, I agree. Oh, poor baby needs to pay for college, so my dad needs to die? Disgusting ghouls.
Frankly, yea you’re right. Our military is absolutely brutally evil. And the reason they were there was to make the rich richer. Frankly when Americans sign up for the military, they should choose a branch and an oil company to serve as well.
I can’t really convince you of anything else, other than know that most everyone I talk to knows we have more in common with you halfway around the world than either of us do with the people who send the military to kill. We don’t hate you, and I’m so sorry what they did to you.
On this side of the world, keeping our class divided will only perpetuate this cycle. War is as profitable an industry as healthcare, so why expect peace or cures if the people in charge are only in it for their own gain?
I’m so sorry for what this horrible country did. No one deserves that fate. But one day hatchets between comrades need to be buried and replaced with guillotines for kings.
I hear you, it’s heartbreaking how power and profit drive so much suffering. The real connections between people are far stronger than the systems that divide us.👌
Small story time because I realize the Neo-Futurists don’t seem to record their show and this should be in writing somewhere.
Context: The Neo-Futurists are an experimental theater company based in Chicago but have spread internationally. They have a show where they do 30 scripts in an hour, so each “play” is like… 2 or 3 minutes.
When I went they had one play called “How to Kill a King”
The lights went dark. Then the projector turned on and said “put your phone and wallet into the bucket”. The cast came out holding buckets, and everyone did just that, including me. Then the cast left the theater with the buckets.
Then the projector said:
“Your possessions will be waiting for you in the lobby after the show”
“Trust that you will have your wallet and phone back at the end of the show”
“Trust that the people around you won’t steal your wallet and phone”
“Trust that the people around you have your best interest in mind, and don’t wish you any harm”
“That is how you Kill a King”
And sure enough when we left, everyones stuff was splayed out on some tables and everyone got their stuff back.
That’s honestly brilliant. The way the Neo-Futurists turned something so simple into a real, physical experience of trust is kind of unsettling in the best way. It makes the message land way harder than if they’d just said it outright. You literally felt the vulnerability, the risk, and then the relief, which is exactly the point. Also, the fact that it happened in a room full of strangers in Chicago makes it even more powerful. That’s the kind of theatre people remember for years.👌
But it is Iranians in North America urging Trump to invade.
350,000 chanting “King Reza Pahlavi”, they want to restore the monarchy and bring back the elite class.
Yes, let’s listen to people living in the US constantly under US propaganda apparatus who won’t suffer the consequence of invasion instead of, you know, actual Iranians living in the country
Iran is a horrifying dictatorship that deserves nothing less to be taken out with force. The only travesty is that American, on our own path of dictatorship and horrifying capitalism is the one who might do it.
Iran is a horrifying dictatorship that deserves nothing less to be taken out with force.
To be replaced by King Reza Pahlavi, another dictator.
That’s why I think it’s horrifying that the usa is the one invading, yes
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I think I need petah explains here. Not in the us military, so ignorante about this
This is the “You’re about to maybe face gruesome death tomorrow” meal. It’s one last pat on the back for morale before they send you to die.
Not in the us either, but these are thought of as ‘quality’ foods (especially for soldiers), so its akin to them having a ‘last dinner’ of sorts before a deployment. Since middle east, and US has syrian (or iranian??) interests I assume its Syria (or Iran?), and that something big is aboutto go down there.
read us is pulling out of Syria so probably just relocating south
Imagine fighting and risking your life in a foreign country on behalf of a pedophile.
Hey, if we are fighting Islamic fundamentalists, they are doing it too.
You forgot oil . Those executives cant get that 5th yacht unless innocent desert children die
It’s simpler then that, it’s a car.
Relevant, but also this song just rips.
It means it’s surf and turf Friday at the chow hall?
Seriously. I spent 4 years in the army and “surf & turf night” is nothing unusual. And desserts & pies are available every day.
It actually spiked to 3 on Sunday night lol
The FBI sure love to support those that make Cheese Pizza
This is incredible.
This is amazing!
I love this. Can’t believe I didnt know this site before.
All those Iranian citizens who think the U.S. is doing this for them… They’re about to find out the hard way what putting your trust in the U.S. is like, let alone Trump. You would think they’d learn from the last time.
Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it’s hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.
I’m Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you’ll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn’t depose of that evil regime.
I’m Iranian, living in Iran. He is right.
A very big portion of people think trump or netanyahu’s attack and war will save them from the islamic republic.
When people are angry, hungry, getting killed, hopeless and poor, we can’t expect their brains to work properly.
It’s by design though. US policy has destroyed the Iranian middle class (you know, the exact people who would otherwise do the regime-changing). The whole point is to cause desperation and despair which they can take advantage of. It’s the same method that was used against castles and city-states in the middle ages.
There is a not insignificant (at least by noise level) portion of the Iranian Diaspora that want the US to invade specifically to install Reza Pahlavi as King. I know because they are harassing my wife on social media when she posts her position which is as you described. You are right in that the majority don’t want a war like this, but Royalists specifically (including the prince of nothing himself ) seem to actually believe that this would be a good thing.
You only have to look at what happened around Huda Beauty, when their Iraqi owner said the same thing you are saying.
Edit: as short as 4 months ago, the user above was referring to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI. Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions. The Iranian currency imploded over the past months and drove many people to desperation, the current exchange rate is like 1.5mn to 1USD, and this is unequivocally the fault of the US + EU. However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government. The literal, EXPLICIT POLICY of sanctions is, and I quote official US documents: “to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”.
Iran could have been a secular socialist democracy as Iranians democratically decided in the previous century under the government of Mosaddeq, but UK+USA conspired to bring the government down and brought back monarchy. The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos. Stop doing atrocity propaganda for the US empire on the fucking verge of an invasion. And there are plenty of Iraqi who wholeheartedly condemn the invasion of Iraq even if it brought down the government of Saddam, because what followed was orders of magnitude worse. An example is Hakim on YouTube.
Edit: as short as 4 months ago
One of the most pathetic things about Reddit is that whenever an argumentative user is incapable of defending their views on their own merits, they spend a embarrassing amount of time digging through someone else’s post history to try to find something attack their character with. It’s just such a lazy and desperate thing to do because it demonstrates a shallow confidence in their own beliefs, and it also shows that they value “winning” an argument through fallacious means rather than having discussion where opinions are exchanged. I see you’re doing your best keeping that chronically online spirit alive here on Lemmy as well.
to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI.
So let me get this straight, you spent god knows how long going back months into my account history, and the best you could do was intentionally misrepresent my 3 of my positions and then complain about a single word that I used 4 months ago? Damn, that’s pathetic.
Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.
If you kept digging a little longer or maybe tried reading a little deeper, you would’ve find out that I’m an Iraqi who’s family lived during Saddam Hussein, the US invasion, and then we migrated to Syria after an Iranian terrorist militia attacked our neighbor’s at the dead of night. We stayed in Syria for a few years but things started going downhill there too, so we decided to immigrate to the West, and the US was the first country to accept our applications. This is not the gotcha you think it is.
The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions
I’m not going to waste too much time here because you’re someone who engages in bad faith, but I just want to point out that this narrative is false. Iranians are not protesting just because of the sanctions, they’re protesting government tyranny, corruption, and incompetence. If it really was just the sanction, then explain the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests where the country went into uproar for 2 years after the regime killed a teenage girl for not following their religious dress code or explain their water crises where they’re threatening to evacuate their capital due to regime’s mismanagement or the 2017 hijab law protests. The sanctions don’t magically make the regime more authoritarian and incomptent, they just expose the problems that were already there faster.
However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government.
You’re going to need to source this. I know for a fact that you either made this up or you’re intentionally misinterpreting some paper that says something very different. If you can’t link the exact source you’re referring to and then show specifically which part said this, I’m going to safely assume that this claim has no substance.
Also, I find it really annoying, how you’re going out of your way to bootlick a regime that is this evil with some low level fallacy like whataboutism. “However bad their regime” my ass, It’s not a competition. Other countries doing other bad things does NOT justify, excuse, or negate the evil things that the Iranian regime has done or is doing. The only reason you would even do something like this is because YOU support the regime. At this point you’re not just criticizing the West, you’re actively defending the regime. You’re directly opposing Iranians who are fighting for their freedom and rights, and you’re doing everything in your power to stand with their oppressors.
The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos.
Everybody acknowledges that the coups of the Democratic government were bad, but guess what? It’s not the 1950s anymore. We live in a completely different reality now, and those events do not justify or excuse the islamic regime’s atrocities against their neighbors or their own people. Like what is even the though process here? “There was a coup 70 years ago that’s bad therefore we should support and let this evil regime slaughter and oppress millions of people”, it’s an asinine position.
what followed was orders of magnitude worse
The US invasion destabilized the country, but the thing that made it worse was this very same Iranian regime. Their terrorist proxy militias are directly responsible for corrupting the new government, keeping the country unstable through violence and fear, causing violence by stoking sectarian tensions, and turbo charging minority oppression that led to the rise of ISIS. Like what the hell are we even talking about here? How the hell is ignorant Westerner going to try and lecture me about my own country?
An example is Hakim on YouTube.
So you’re example is a Marxist youtube grifter who carters to a Western audience? If that’s your source of information on the country then no wonder why you’re out of touch. You need to look things made by Iraqis for Iraqis. Go look up Ahemd Al Basheer. He’s an Iraqi personality who’s followed by millions of Iraqis and he’s commonly called the voice of the Iraqi people. He does a very successful late night styled TV show on youtube and DW called Al Basheer Show. Most of his videos are in Arabic, but he did do a youtube series in English awhile back for an international audience awhile ago, you should go watch that. That should be way more informative than someone like Hakim lmao
Oh no, a MARXIST voice from Iraq who actually lives in the country??? Damn, guess we should totally listen instead to emigrées like you who left the country 20 years ago and have been exposed to 20 years of USA propaganda!
Or should we listen to Ahmed Al Basheer, who streams from literal German state TV (Deutsche Welle)? Surely entirely apolitical and not at all exclusively funding journalists who geopolitically align with them! Not at all media stations endlessly defending the genocide of Palestinians in Israel! The fact that you claim that “the voice of Iraqis” comes from German state TV tells me enough.
Go ahead: if I’ve misrepresented your positions, tell me, is Israel engaging committing genocide against Palestinians? Should the current state of Israel be eliminated and the lands of Palestinians returned to their rightful owners?
Where do you base the number of half a million deaths due to US-EU sanctions on? Because I know the EU uses sanctions, but not (at least explicitly) with the intention of causing wide scale hunger.
The source for the half a million (actually 560k a year) comes from this recent study in The Lancet medical journal. It takes into account 50 years of sanction policy and arrives to that figure of murders, yearly, since 1971.
Good on you for questioning the sources, I love seeing people critical of online figures.
The actual study and not just the short article is https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext. However, I don’t really find the claim backed that the EU is a major factor in that regard:
In specification 4, for example, US unilateral sanctions were significant for six age groups, whereas EU unilateral sanctions were not significant in any of the age groups. When we included the six sanctions indicators in the regressions in specification 5 (USA-based, EU-based, and UN-based unilateral and economic sanctions), we continued to find that US sanctions deliver the most significant effects
Not very familiar with how to read the data, but to me, EU sanctions have no really significant impact on mortality in any of these specifications that would allow to construct a hard causality; there is almost no entry for EU sanctions in table 3 where there’s a statistical significance, except for “Child mortality (5–10 years)” in Specifications 3 and 4, where it barely reaches the threshold (p=0.051 and p=0.052); in the latter, the UN sanctions have a MUCH higher correlation.
Not exactly sure how one can come to the conclusion that this is US+EU sanctions when there’s such a difference between those when viewed in isolation… that said, a correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation, e.g. let’s say there’s a civil war and the government gets sanctioned, then you do have a correlation between deaths and the sanctions, but it’s the former that caused the latter and not the other way around.
That said, I’m not disagreeing that sanctions can’t have negative effect on a population, in fact it’s the normal people getting hit first because usually the targets of sanctions will make sure it’s their citizens suffering and not themselves
What’s your point? “EU should keep sanctioning people”? Or “Sanctions aren’t mathematically proven to kill people even if there are extremely strong correlations and obvious mechanism through which this happens”?
Thanks for the source, interesting read. Makes me question sanction more. Haha, well here on Lemmy you can have a conversation when asking clarification, so thank you as well :)
Yea that guy reeks like a hasbara.
There’s also the water issue, and that definitely wasn’t because of sanctions; and even if the reason for riots might be due to external factors, it does matter to a population how the leadership responds to it, and the response has been horrible.
Because water problems are famously well managed by which government? I’m a Spaniard, and I can tell you that our glorious European democracy™ has golf fields in Castilla La Mancha, and farmers in the vicinity of the Doñana natural park are draining the groundwaters to the point of destruction of the ecosystem.
Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No. Would people riot if our currency suffered an enormous devaluation and suddenly we couldn’t import basic products? Absolutely.
Yeah because issues are always absolute and there is no nuance.
Yes, water is mismanaged in Europe as well and it will bite us, but we’re not currently at Iranian levels where they considered moving the capital because the potable water situation was so bad.
The proposal made little sense all things considered, but this is the level of competence the Iranian leadership showed in that situation.
but we’re not currently at Iranian levels
Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?
Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?
Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?
The problem wasn’t only lack of rain, but also a lot of mismanagement that led people without water to riot.
Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?
Call me crazy, but I consider “providing your citizens with water” as a core government task; why you bring up the Chinese government with something totally unrelated is beyond me.
Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No.
Perhaps they should.
Is trump not cartoonishly evil too?
He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren’t that great.
Yeah, because the US has a stellar history if installing fair dictators. That’s how Hussein came to power in the first place.
For the record, I don’t support the US installing a new regime. I want the Iranian people take their country back for themselves, not be under new management. I just think that with how ruthless and evil this regime is willing to be, it’s simply not possible for the people to overthrow it by themselves.
Honestly, I used to not understand that mindset. But living in the US now, I’m starting to feel that desperation. Literally anything that would knock that clown off his stool would be worth it, even a deal with the devil himself.
Fuck, this sucks so much.
One of my uncle shared the same sentiments with me; they want Iran invaded because they hope it’ll get rid of the regime.
I told him that no country capable of invading Iran will do so in the interest of Iranians. He said he knows, but he sees no alternative.
I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.
In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.
These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.
Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.
Thanks for the downvotes, toronto Persians.
I downvoted you out of principle. No religious leader is a good replacement, and should never be considered better than what came before.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
I just hope that most of that are bots trying to stir chaos, otherwise it’s too sadCalling out USA on its atrocities and its bad rep with foreign interference throughout history is USdefaultism now?
WTF are you smoking?
You’re more bot-like than the OP. Just calling names making things up to manufacture consent in a made up reality in a bot farm.
Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.
Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.
You’re not talking about reality, you’re talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.
the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil
Not sure if you mean the regime in Iran or USA.
The Trump administration is evil, but it’s still night and day compared to the Iranian regime. The Mullahs make MAGA look tame in comparison.
Both can be true but what’s the point of your comment?
I don’t think that’s true. the US one has definite cartoon vibes. The Iran one seems a bit more “physical”
Yeah, the US has a level of incompetence to it that makes it somewhat amusing, from a distance.
The Iranian regime is a lot better at what they do, and that’s the scary part.
Sorry, let me clarify that my comment wasn’t meant to express an opinion, but to ask why their response was to skip the main content of OP’s post and ask that question. However as another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things, so I guess neither of those posters is worth engaging with. The internet is miraculous
another user pointed out OP seems to be a Tesla shill amongst other things
Users on this site are really are gullible to misinformation. That user was lying. You’re free to browse my account history as you please, and make your own opinions instead of relying on a single dishonest user who’s engaging in bad faith.
I scrolled enough to know you’re somebody I wouldn’t enjoy talking to, so farewell. Tell my kids I love them
They’re gonna go kill brown people to get the focus off of the richest ruling elite in the world (including their own commander in chief) trafficking, raping, and murdering children.
So exactly what has been keeping the US alive for over a century, yes.
Just like the founding fathers intended.
And it won’t even work
Seriously? It’ll definitely work for more people than one dares to believe. It’s not about it working in the way you mean on us, the people that nothing will work on, it’s about everyone else. And for us that have functional empathy, conscience, intelligence etc. it will work in another way, we see the horrors about to happen. We see the people it’s going to happen to as actual people and anyone can only handle so much. It’s the classic “do or confess bad thing to make other bad thing seem less relevant”, and that works on everyone, just in different ways.
I can absolutely see even here on lemmy being filled with news about this and less about what they’re doing this to take attention away from. It’ll work on me, no matter how much I don’t want it to, because I feel for the people who will suffer and die from this. And It’ll work on others in other ways.Yeah, we’ve already firmly established that the majority of the US still doesn’t care about these countries. I doubt it’ll be more than a blip.
Iranians are white.
In the '20s, people considered Irish immigrants not to be white. It’s a meaningless label that people subjectively change the definition of just to other those they don’t like
Irish people are like physically some of the whitest people in existence. All the Celts, Germanics are up there, very fair skin, starved of vitamin d for ages presumably they developed that skin to produce more when they did get sun.
I know! That’s why it’s so amusing. Racism is so irrational.
Americans don’t think so. They think they’re all Arabs.
That is true they do.
They don’t think so, or they don’t care.
It’s not about white or brown. It’s easier for them to get support to abuse the brown people, it doesn’t mean white people are safe, or they won’t be working to hurt them. In fact everything they are doing is getting license to hurt white people en masse in the united states proper, while they steal elections, and throw protesters in camps, with courts unable to issue nationwide injunctions now.
That said, the Iranians are basically white, without the head gear they would fit right in, Iran means Aryan by the way. From being settled by horse tribes from the steppes of Asia around 1,500 bc,
My family is literally Caucasian from the Caucus mountains in Iran lol
The caucasian thing to describe white people is basically all made up though, like they don’t know, that was a theory that took off and got repeated so often it’s accepted as fact.
It was never about skin colour though, was it?
disclaimer for people who don't like to interpret internet comments charitably
(even if it was, that wouldn’t make racism acceptable ofc)
I love that disclaimer. I feel like I need to put it on everything. People seem quite incapable of separating descriptive and normative statements on here.
Sometimes I feel like people have misinterpreted all my social critiques as advocacy for the things I was critiquing.
Like I’ll point something out, say “Society tends to do such-and-such,” implying, “and that’s wrong,” but what people hear instead is “as it should.”
Like, I could explicitly state “and that’s wrong” all the time, but sometimes that would get a “no shit” reaction, or possibly come off as performative.
Sometimes there’s just no winning…
Small minds, they are not used to braining. They think making a statement means promoting that thing. They think criticizing an argument automatically means you disagree with it.
@ickplant Putting soldiers in harms way to distract from the epstein files should get the fat fuck the death sentence.
Oh he’s way past that point already. Even the most horrible of public executions would not be punishment enough.
Let him burn in hell forever, if hell indeed exists.
I’ve been saying that cutting USAID and the nearly million deaths that followed in the subsequent months as a direct result of cutting a program that as much as a couple of his planned ballrooms, should get him hanged slowly at the hague.
Out of everything he’s done, this along with rolling back environmental protections will have caused the most harm and suffering to humanity and these are the things getting the least attention.
Imagine having the power to ruin the lives of countless millions of living souls and doing it for no other reason than to prove how “not woke” you are and to add another several cents per share to your donor’s investments.
Nixon and Reagan both conspired with hostile foreign governments to win elections and we let both of those guys off the hook. Why would this be different?
Because we’ve had enough? Because we’ve learned our lesson?
Or maybe we haven’t?
I don’t see a whole lot of lesson-learning going on. Except by those who have been taught that when they break laws there isn’t punishment
The POLITICIANS don’t seem to have learned anything, at least the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries haven’t. They might as well be working for them.
But the Citizens have. We know that the Dems have done nearly nothing to protect us from the MAGA scourge, and we are likely to have to do it ourselves.
But some are awake, and others are waking. We may yet be able to force the Dems to do their jobs, and fight for us. How the Dems respond to the inevitable MAGA screaming when they get crushed in the Midterms will tell the tale. If Schmuck & Jeffries let them get away with stealing this election, too, like they did with 2024, them we’ll have to take matters into our own hands.
And for their fecklessness, our elected Dems will find themselves nearly as big an enemy as MAGA.
Different?
Yeah. The ruling class, and the oligarchs who own them, have made it abundantly clear they will burn the whole system down rather than allow one of their own to be held accountable.
See also: Biden 2020/AG Garland
They need the current system in place way more than we do. They benefit greatly by this system, we don’t. They may THREATEN to burn it down, but they won’t. They worked too hard, and they benefit too much by it, to let it go.
Before they’ll destroy the system that has made them wealthy, and will continue to make them wealthy, they’ll surrender, and live to fight another day.
They’ll kill MAGA before they’ll kill the THEIR economy.
They are using the dissolution of the USSR as their model.
The current system transfers wealth upwards, but they will be happy to dismantle it if it means they can seize control of all the national infrastructure, resources, and the machinery of State directly and permanently.
If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter, - we need never read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications?
-Thoreau, Walden
One burned down system please!
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But instead it will probably get him more adoration from his base.
Who am I kidding? It’s not probably, it’s definitely.
For now, foreign wars are a slow burn on popularity, for now he will be popular, before too long people will hate him for it, he will be gone soon anyway though he already doesn’t know what is going on, or he wouldn’t be betraying his america first bullshit.
And they’ll just latch on to the next toad creature that comes along, they always do, they won’t all suddenly un-fascist themselves.
Oh yeah, the party’s base is radicalized, and the establishment are all in on fascist dictatorship time. It’s just a matter of who wins the succession fight, and if they can hold it, and steal it if need be, with their new leader during the fight. Vance won’t get it, someone will take it from him.
The project 2025 people, the religious right, their business dickheads, and their assorted partizans are all in on it, anyone with loyalty to country, and elections, over the party, has been purged after they gave themselves away in 2020, and none of them were purged, not in government and bureaucracy, after 2020 either because Biden let them all get away with it, so noble to let captured agencies fail in their statutory duties in the most basic of their missions, preventing the republic from being killed in all but name with elections fixed, but I digress.
The only way out is popular reform by a strong opposition leader that organizes the opposition, and knows how to build and run a political machine, and we won’t seemingly have that, so Republicans get to carry on their shit show it appears.
Pedos or not there is no way the USA would stay out of waging new wars either way, it’s literally its bread and butter and can’t exist without it. The machine is getting itchy, it needs blood, that simple.
No foreign wars #2.
Pedophilic Boogaloo
My dad who served in Vietnam looked at this tweet and went silent. My mom is now really upset. I am so tired.
But they still both voted Trump 3x, right?
