You are not born:

  • L - Lesbian
  • G - Gay
  • B - Black
  • T - Transgender

It is a sin to live as LGBT.

It is not God’s will.

But Jesus can change you.

  • markovs_gun@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    2 hours ago

    Fun fact, medieval Christians in some parts of Europe actually believed that “moors” (a catch all term for Africans at the time) with black skin would become white if they converted to Christianity, and there were many popular tales of this happening. Race as a concept hadn’t really been invented yet, but medieval people did notice that people they encountered who had dark skin often practiced Islam and wrongly assumed that believing in Islam was the cause of the dark skin rather than it just being who happened to convert.

  • Tiger666English
    12·
    7 hours ago

    I haven’t realized I am black until this post. Thanks religion, I’m now black because I’m a white bisexual guy.

  • Stern@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    9 hours ago

    It’s called the BI-ble, not the Straight-ble. Adam AND Eve, not Adam or Eve.

      • MotoAsh@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 hours ago

        The difference between satire and reality is slimmer than most care to admit. Poe’s Law most of all makes it near impossible to pull off “perfect” satire that’s obviously satire to everyone.

        The only thing making this post satire compared to what many conservatives unironically believe (yes, even about black people) is it was posted to 196

  • jsomae@lemmy.mlEnglish
    6·
    11 hours ago

    I do think it is most likely true that one’s gender and sexuality is not set at birth but instead emerges later for most people. I mean twin studies for one thing. Doesn’t mean it’s a choice though.

    • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      18·
      11 hours ago

      Considering gender is a social construct it can’t exist till a person has assimilated the information needed to create the construction.

      Them figuring out where they sit inside of that construction is the tricky part.

      Sexuality is hard to say, but considering observation in preferences among other species it’s likely to not manifest fully till an organism goes though their equivalent of puberty.

      So in either case there’s basically no real argument that either is from birth. But also there’s even less of an argument that it’s a conscious choice. It’s a manifestation of the chemicals and/or the perception of the person. Depending on which of the two your talking about.

      Now if we talking about biological sex. Then yeah your born with the bits you have. Don’t mean you can’t have them changed. Or disagree with the social expectations of gender commonly associated with those bits. Thank you modern medicine and fuck expectations!

      • jsomae@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        4 hours ago

        I meant trans status, not gender. I don’t know that science has entirely determined the cause of trans status or that it’s social.

        • MotoAsh@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 hours ago

          Pretty sure science does have evidence that there is heavy influence from how someone grows? Obviously how someone is raised can change their attitude towards identities, even as far as making ignorant people closet and resent themselves without even truly knowing why.

          So… it’s pretty obvious that it’s both. It’s just an open question as to how much each affect, and I’d bet it’s wholly subjective anyways.

      • LwL@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        7 hours ago

        For gender dysphoria there have been studies suggesting that prenatal hormone exposure plays a role. Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.

        But yea, both gender and sexuality are very complex and there are bound to be environmental factors for both.

        • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
          English
          1·
          2 hours ago

          Many also experience dysphoria specifically about their genitals, so it’s likely about more than just social gender constructs (probably also depends on the individual though), with at least some contributing factors already decided at birth.

          I mean, ultimately everything that goes on in your mind has a neurological component of some sort. I suspect with this, for example, the brain is structured to run body template A, but is piloting body template B and is basically throwing an error. I see no reason not to change the body to match the brain, especially since modifying the brain quickly heads into major ethical concerns and philosophical weirdness. I mean, ultimately the brain is you and the body is just a meat mech.

        • jsomae@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          same for sexuality. I didn’t say that pre-birth effects have no impact.

  • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    14·
    14 hours ago

    The opposite is true. If you’re gay, God made you that way for a damn good reason! Who are you to question His will? It is a mortal sin for a gay man to sleep with a woman!

    • vivalapivo@lemmy.todayEnglish
      6·
      12 hours ago

      That’s something archaic. God created you so you are attracted to people with the same sex attributes as yours. You ultimately decide what to do with it. You can’t know God’s intent, my child. Maybe he created you to become as strong as a bear, but maybe you were created as bottom generator

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      12 hours ago

      Sorry, I’ve got to nitpick your excellent snarky comeback:

      It is a mortal sin for a gay man to sleep with a woman!

      Such a man isn’t committing a sin; he’s merely bi and confused about labels.

  • SunshineJogger@feddit.orgEnglish
    11·
    14 hours ago

    It’s always fun when religious people claim to know what is or is not gods intent or doing, when they so often claim “his ways are unfathomable for us mere humans” whenever it suits them.

    Or they use the Bible as source, a book written by humans who they never knew and cannot verify if they were terrible people. (based on the content of the bible they most likely were assholes based on modern values)

  • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
    15·
    16 hours ago

    As a christian, it deeply saddens me to see oyher people who call themselves “christians”, yet they spread hate and antipathy, going agaisnt basically everything that Jesus taught.

    Wait, what do you mean you aren’t born bla—

    • donEnglish
      1·
      46 minutes ago

      You can bet hard cash that there are an uncomfortable number of ignorant people who thoroughly believe that one isn’t born black, but becomes black through any one (or more) of a myriad of perplexing and completely irrational reasons.

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    20 hours ago

    Oh honey, I do not need this argument right now but I am compelled to tell you how wrong you are.

    notices what community this is

    Oh thank fuck. We’re mocking the thing.

    I need to sit down.

    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      7·
      13 hours ago

      Honestly, academically speaking, that is an interesting question. It probes at the heart of what race really is.

      Is race how you are perceived? Then if someone darkened their skin and had surgery to take on certain facial features, sufficient to the point that people read and treat them as black, are they then black?

      Is race genetic? What if a white person used hypothetical generic engineering to give themselves a genotype of someone with largely African ancestry? Their phenotype is still white, but their genotype is black. They aren’t read as white, but any children they have will be. Are they black? Will their children be? What if the genetic treatment also changes their phenotype? They now have the genes and a visual appearance that most would identify as black, but they know nothing of black culture and have lived in predominantly white communities their whole life. Are they now black?

      Is race more about culture? Do you have to be raised as part of a black community to be black? If a white person adopts a black infant and raises them to adulthood in an entirely white rural town, is that child black? What if the parents are super racist and try to turn their adopted kid visibly white by lightening their skin, and they do this to the kid from birth? Is the kid still black? What about the opposite? What if it’s a white baby adopted by black parents and raised in a predominantly black community? Is that child black? What if the parents alter the child’s appearance to be visibly black, and do so from birth?

      It’s honestly a really interesting question, and countless dissertations and books have been written on the subject of what exactly race is. So I’m not really qualified to answer this question. I frankly don’t know what precisely defines a person’s race. My impression is that ultimately race is a very squishy, poorly defined concept. The questions above probe the definition by investigating its edges. Another way to do so would be to consider the concept of passing (in a racial sense.)

      I don’t really have any answers here, only questions. But your question, “how do you become black?” really sent me down a rabbit hole. When you take the question seriously, it really starts getting to the heart of just what this thing we call "race* really is.