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If I were forced to choose between two choices and I didn’t like either, I would not consider myself living in a democracy. Democracy is pointless if you aren’t able to vote for a candidate that you actually like.
The solution is reform. If your democracy is not proportional, then it is not a democracy.
You are able to do that, it’s the entire point of a primary.
It’s not the best system, certainly, but it does mean you actually get more than 2 choices.
Sort of?
A comprehensive look at voter turnout from 2000 onwards reveals that the average turnout rate for primary elections is 27% of registered voters, compared to 60.5% for general elections. It should be noted that less than half of the voters who cast a ballot in the general election participate in primaries.
https://goodparty.org/blog/article/primary-vs-general-election
All sorts of problems have solutions. I see this a lot in the tech space, like the need to save a video, Adblock, whatever.
…But generally, people don’t use them. Or know about them.
US primaries feel similar, where voters technically have the ability to choose candidates but, statistically, they don’t.
Attention is finite. Many dont know about primaries. To me, giving people the choice doesn’t matter if it’s obscure and inaccessibly designed.
Voters: refuse to vote in primary
Also Voters: “Why are the nominees so terrible?”
Then it’s not a democracy. But you still live here.
Maybe this is the real Blue MAGA
Isn’t this how change happens?
But voting for who you believe in in the primaries and your preferred party in the general?
in theory, yes.
in practice the DNC will protect corporate donations at all cost.
For reference see Bernie Sanders.
Exactly
The guy who regularly wins primaries for his Senate seat and is re-elected?
The guy who never, at any point, won national primaries for the Democratic nomination for President and therefore wasn’t nominated for the Presidency?
I love Bernie, but everyone acting like he was treated unfairly by the party establishment when it was the party base that voted against him is dumb. If he’d won the primaries and then the superdelegates chose Clinton or Biden, that’d be a different story. But that’s not what happened. He lost the primaries, and the people who won those primaries received the nominations.
People downvoting you: “no, not like that”.
Hi, I’m a lifelong DNC voter, I think Mamdani is cool and he even got congratulated by Bill Clinton, so I don’t think the DNC you’re talking about really exist in any sizable number. Also, if we cared about corporate donations we, the DNC, wouldn’t have outlawed them for 7 years until the Citizens United SCOTUS decision brought it back.
I think the nail in Cuomo’s Coffin was saying him and Trump had a mutual respect, which is not only not true but also pissed off a ton of Democrats.
he even got congratulated by Bill Clinton, so I don’t think the DNC you’re talking about really exist in any sizable number.
pfft. it’s the same dnc that screwed bernie over for hillary; remember when bill got on the plane with the AG?
look, I’d prefer clinton over trump any day. but acting like the DNC is all hunky about non-dem-stalwarts playing in their kiddy pool is pretty ridiculous.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by millions of votes. It was 13M to 16M.
and it did us so much fucking good.
she wasn’t polarizing at all huh? everyone loved her kumbaya
no, half the progressive side held there nose and voted for the least-worst. remember doing that? or did you vote for trump because your feefees got hurt about something?
She would have been a fantastic president and avoided much of the Trump failures. We all should have come together for that outcome.
Bernie lost the primary ten years ago.
Get over it.
yeah things have gone SO well for libs since then.
HEY, it’s almost like… MISTAKES WERE MADE?
Or did you prefer this result?
Has it gone any better for the progressives?
ok ok you’re on the right path
it hasn’t, now follow that line of thought to completion. the DNC keeps pushing half ass candidates instead of popular progressives and keeps losing.
so work it out, you maggoty cumfart of a human, come on you’re so goddamned close to actual enlightenment
Oh yes of course, the party has changed so much in that time! We had the radical communist Biden elected and all our progressive policies were implemented cementing the democrats victories for a decade to come.
OH wait, it’s still the same party trying to screw over progressives at every turn? You say Obama got on the phone and got all the other democrats to drop out in the primaries in the 2020 race the day before super tuesday and promised them cabinet positions in the admin?
Yeah that sure sounds like the party has changed a lot in 10 years and they learned their lessons losing to Trump TWICE
congratulated by Bill Clinton
All the DNC guys released the same agreed on “congratulations” statement because traditionally they’re expected to explicitly endorse the winner of the Dem primary for the general election, like Jerry Nadler did, and they’re making a point of refusing to do that.
So, now it’s up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.
They won’t.
And here I though you might finally be happy.
I’ll be happy when the election has run its course without the party engaging in the sort of fuckery they can’t ever seem to stop themselves from engaging in.
Yes, until an internal smear campaign takes them down, and the whole thing comes apart from petty infighting.
It’s never worked so far, I don’t see why the DNC is about to start.
The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.
😂😂😂 “The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates.” 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?
Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016?
You mean the primary where less than 30% of voters even participated in, with most just being lazy and sitting at home?
“Record” lol. This is not a fuctional democracy if people just refuses to participate. Like literally every primary has horrible turnout. People this lazy don’t deserve a democracy.
We had a primary in 2024. He was pressured into stepping down after winning. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton’s collusion was reprehensible, and also extremely rare.
I’m also referring to the congressional and state primaries that only see 15% attendance, yet you, like most Americans, think we only vote once every four years.
Except in 2016, 2020, and 2024
Winning the primary =/= actually getting the support of the party apparatus behind you.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare his support to Adams’ 2021 purse. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
I really don’t think they care. These people have no shame. I read that 40% of the leading Democrats that endorsed Cuomo had previously called for his resignation after his numerous sexual assaults came to light. The party that lauds itself as the champion of and defender of women’s and minority rights rallied hard to support a corrupt sexual predator over a Muslim, simply because he was progressive instead of a conservative. Hell, arch sex pest Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo.
These people have no shame. “Calling people out” or “slamming” people means nothing. If calling people out changed their behavior, Cuomo, who sexually assaulted at least a dozen women, would have never been seen in public again.
Seriously. How can you think that leaders that openly endorse a sexual molester give a single fuck about being called out publicly for their bad behavior?
They may have no shame, but Zohran has no chill. We’ll find out soon enough.
but Zohran has no chill.
what the fuck does this even mean? honest query
theoretically for sure. in practice, it seems like the people make their picks, then the dnc makes sure those picks never get far.
The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.
The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment.
The problem isn’t water, it’s H2O.
It wasn’t that long of a comment. You really couldn’t get to the end before responding?
They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.
This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.
You’re not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.
Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.
That’s part of it, but not everything. In the 2020 presidential primary the number one issue for everyone, including seniors, was electability. Beating Trump was what Democratic voters cared about, and cable news blared the false but believable message that only a centrist who could capture Republican votes could do that.
Another big issue is, oddly enough, minority voters. Minorities are not all that different from other populations in their policy views, but they do tend to be far more committed to the team blue. (Though that commitment is waning). That means that minority conservatives tend to vote in Democratic primaries, giving us more conservative Democratic nominations.
I really wish more people would vote on something other than their own perceived self interest. Barring that dream, we need to fix broken perceptions. The people seniors and others are voting for, in both primaries and general elections, don’t actually serve the interests of their voters.
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Yeah, Pete definitely won the Iowa caucus.
🤡
Uh-huh
What’s Cuomo doing right now? Oh yeah, ignoring the primary.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose. The DNC and RNC have too many contenders, so they run primaries to let us pick their candidates. That’s what primary elections are.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect
He knows exactly what he’s doing
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose.
Yep, and a losing candidate can choose to participate in the general to ensure the opposing party wins by splitting the vote, which is what the establishment Dems do when a progressive successfully primaries the…
First of all, if Cuomo runs as an independent, he’ll make Adams the spoiler to his platform. Secondly, there are only ~350k millionaires in NYC. They’re the ones who will be taxed more by Mamdani’s plan. You’re acting like the city is run by them, but we got the numbers. We just need to show up and vote.
It’s literally ranked choice voting. There is hardly any spoiler effect unless there are so many candidates you couldn’t possibly find the one’s you want to vote for.
The Democratic primary was RCV. The general election will be FPTP.
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I’ve lived in NY since the 70s. Being on the Democratic ticket is all he needs for the average know-nothing voter. He just beat out six other candidates with a grassroots primary campaign. He doesn’t need their money. He just needed to be in the blue/working families column.
But sure, tell me all about how you know everything. I’ll be sure to take notes.
And how much do you want to bet he will be backed and supported by the DNC during his ‘independent’ campaign?
If anything, they’d give Adams money. They occasionally fund spoilers, just like the RNC. Even though Adams is on the Republican ticket, he’s more likely to be the spoiler in the general election.
That’s funny, and cute you believe that.
You realise you can present historical actions that support your argument without being a complete bellend about it, right?
For example, in 2015 Bernie Sanders was becoming a hot favourite to become the public’s new pin-up boy for the 2016 presidential run. Unfortunately for him, it is alleged that the DNC had already banked on Hilary Clinton being the primary winner, so their plan may have had it’s legs done before they even started.
So, it is widely reported that the DNC provided very little support to Sanders for the remainder of his campaign run, while pouring big money and organising competing support behind Clinton, stacking the odds in her favour.
In this instance, history tells us that whereas a candidate may be supremely popular, they may not end up getting the support of the political party they represent.
(The above is a massive oversimplification to fit into a bite sized lemmy post, so points of discussion are expected)
The reality is very few people vote in primaries and, as you’ve just read in this thread, many don’t even know what primaries are.
We literally just picked the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor. What about that is confusing to you? If the DNC didn’t want him, they shouldn’t have allowed him in the primary. That part is over now. Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic candidate. That’s how primaries work. Stop misinforming people. Most are uninformed on the process as it is.
Comments like this are always from people who are ignorant, or people that aren’t even in the US.
Or people who have been through more than one election cycle and have seen how far the establishment will go to tank a candidate they don’t like in favor of a milquetoast conservative that will lose to a real conservative in the general.
Apparently some need education on what a primary is.
They were all running to “be the blue.” This is how WE pick the candidates that run for the Democratic Party. Yes. That’s right. They’re not selected by the DNC as many believe.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout, yet people love to complain about the career centrists. Well, this is EXACTLY how it’s done.
Mamdani won because WE SHOWED UP. Stop letting retirees with nothing but time on their hands pick our candidates and VOTE FOR PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES.
The joke is that the NYC Dems are making the DNC eat their words with a candidate that they didn’t want
Oh I totally missed that. Thanks. Too many people still ignorantly commenting about how the DNC picks all the candidates, after NYC just proved that it’s always been about us showing up, has me on the defense. My bad.
I also missed it, I think Mamdani is just as much a part of the DNC as these other imaginary dissenters.
Are those DNC in the room with us now? Because it seems to me Mamdani is a welcomed member of the party and receiving lots of support for the general election.
They’ll ratfuck anyone that gets in their way, much less an actual socialist, and never forget it.
David Hogg chose not to run for reelection after the DNC agreed to redo the election for his position when a valid complaint was issued that the DNC did not follow established gender parity rules when combining candidates to a ballot.
I think you’re missing the joke here?
I suppose we’ll see if the DNC takes the message this time.
They don’t “take the message.” It’s not a suggestion. They run a primary and we select their nomination. That’s what primary elections are. Have you never voted in a primary before?
I’ve voted in primaries for over 20 years. I know how politics work. Don’t be so naive
Ok. Give me some examples of candidates winning the Democratic primary and getting dropped off the ballot by the DNC.
It’s not about being dropped, it’s about the cash not coming from the DNC, and then other DNC allies contributing to the independent candidate. Mamdani will be the (D) on the ballot. It does not mean that the DNC will give him one cent if they don’t like his politics.
Seems like people are talking past each other here. He will be representing the DNC on the ticket, and the DNC is likely to provide absolutely no support to him, as he doesn’t match what “they” “wanted”.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly. If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
Being on the ballot means little in and of itself. Having the party apparatus behind you is what matters. You don’t need to win the primary to get on the ballot.
Whoever made this meme may need to brush up on what a binary choice is. I think we’ve had enough of people voting off their nose to spite their face.
Was the NYC primary a binary choice?
We were forced to choose between Andrew Cuomo and Unrealistic Unserious Far-Left Idealism.
The Democratic Primary voters were tricked by the far-left TikTok media into electing a jihadist intifada antisemite. Now the Democratic Party needs to step in and correct the mistake they made during the primary election by sending $400 Zillion dollars to the Andrew Cuomo Fight and Deliver ballot line in the general.
Zohran Mamdani’s irrational, unconceivable, unapologetic, apoplectic, apocalyptic campaign must be stopped before he ruins the perfect beautiful jewel of the East Coast that is NYC. He’s threatening to open publicly run grocery stores! He wants to make the bus FREE! HE IS A THREAT TO FREE MARKET CAPITALISM THAT HAS MADE OUR COUNTRY SO GREAT!
This was not a real democratic election. It was an invasion by an insurgency of illegal socialist radicals. We cannot, in good conscious, permit this farce to continue.
That’s why Curtis Silwa, Eric Adams, and Jim Walden need to step down and make way for Cuomo to run again, possibly uncontested if we can somehow disqualify Zohran from the general.
Just to let you know, I for one am very aware of the over the top tone and therefor sarcasm. I’m a bit puzzled that this isn’t obvious to anybody reading your comment.
I read the first line then noped, then read yours and went back, it’s too good lol
shrug
I thought my alliteration was a dead giveaway. But not everyone appreciates the finer arts.
I mean yea but you sounded so much like a bot posing as a Dem that it’s hard to tell any more. Kinda crazy how what should be ridiculous crazed nonsense poised for laughs is just…normal? Expected? Depressing…yea that’s the one
I mean I read it as sarcasm, but let’s not pretend there aren’t plenty of people out there who would say that dead ass serious. Lol
I know it’s not much, but I appreciated the comment & the humor.
People got their underpants in a bunch
Because modern reality is unserious.
Yes cause sarcasm is so easy to detect on the internet.
Strongest “had us in the first half” game I’ve seen
Why are people so much more concerned with how to fund new spending on social workers, but not concerned about how to fund Cuomo’s 15% increase in NYPD funding?
To be clear, my problem is with the latter not the former, but if you’re concerned about one you should be concerned about the other.
To be clear, my problem is with the latter not the former, but if you’re concerned about one you should be concerned about the other.
But…you’re concerned about one and not the other?
I’m concerned with people not asking where Cuomo’s money is coming from, not that people are asking where Zohrans money or coming from.
NYC mayors race was using RCV this election. It was the least binary It could have gotten.
There was only one correct option and the voters failed to pick it. Now the Mamdani Menace will try to destroy New York just like his Tankie Far-Left Radicals destroyed Iran, Palestine, and Cuba.
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I think it’s satire, channeling Trump’s style of “truthing.” At least I hope so.
I honestly can’t tell anything anymore. I wish people could just say what they mean again
whoosh 💨
what does any of this mean lol? nyc, dem, dnc, vote blue? wtf
NYC - New York city
DEM - Democrats (political party, they call themselves left, but they are only left if compared with Trump’s fascism)
DNC - democratic Nationals convention (interchange with democrats)
Vote Blue - Blue is the democrat colour. and a reference to “Vote blue no matter how” which they campaign on so their unpopular right leaning candidates get votes because the alternative was Trump.
New York just had primaries (an election where they decide who will be the democratic candidate for the real mayoral election), and a democratic socialist won, despite the democratic party pushing for a corrup rapist.
because the one who won the primaries isn’t the one who the dnc actually likes. dnc establishment is thinking of having cuomo running as an independent against him. so, ‘vote blue no matter who’ has now been turned around on those jackasses who kept shoving shit condidates down our throats.
It’s just a case of Americentrism.
I’m getting plenty of German posts as well, It’s just a consequence of having an international demographic and a significant percentage of them being from one place.
better to ignore it than complain.
It’s easy to filter out German communities and instances. What’s not easy to filter out is the posts in any English speaking sub that think America is in the center.
I’m not complaining either. I’m just stating a fact because MotherForker did not understand where all these American based terms come from and why Americans think everybody here would just understand them.
Didn’t the democratic party in America like completely die with president Orange?
id argue that if they failed so badly, they were dead already.
I’ve seen a lot of people insist that we were going to stop doing democracy going forward.
I was skeptical, precisely because the Mamdani race appeared to illustrate how an unpopular incumbent friend-of-Trump could absolutely still lose to a socialist outsider campaign by a local town populist hero. But now I’m seeing the Dem national establishment freak out in such a way that… Idk, maybe they really will try to toss the results of the primary in the trash and tell Zohran he’s not welcome in the general.
Yes, the current cohort. With Mondoni, AOC and Bernie, The hope is more people will vote for progressive candidates and bring back the Democrats from the dead.
Nah. We’re taking it over. Thirty years of retirees picking our candidates in the primaries gave us the centrist party. People are finally waking up and turning out.
It should have with the performance it gave. But alas the duopoly goes on
I disagree, I think the democratic party will become as relevant as the Whig party And the Republican party is going to split in two the Trump side and Republican Classic.
Fuck, this is so much more likely
