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  • gmtom@lemmy.worldtomemes@lemmy.worldChoices
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    7 days ago

    Your logic: “We’ve identified the problem is capitalism. Stop pointing at it and start pointing at something else, that’ll solve it!”

    Nope, but nice try trying to strawman me.

    I’m talking about taking actual individual action to stop the problem instead of merely pointing fingers.

    such as unionisation of workers, creation of socialist and dual power structures, and the eventual revolution.

    Okay, so we’ve unionised the workers, how does that stop oil companies polution?

    We have socialist dual power structures, how does that stop fossil fuel emissions?

    We have “”“the revolution”“” does that magically make fossil fuels go away?

    My point is you can blame capitalism all you like, but at the very least in the short/medium term if we want to actually do something about climate change we need to change how we behave. As even under a socialist or communist system people will still use electricity, that will still be generated by fossil fuels.and people will still ship things in from other countries. And good luck pushing socialism in any major western country right now.


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    8 days ago

    My point is, why do you think those oil and gas companies or big tech exist? Because there is a market for it because of consumer behaviour.

    A profitable oil company is never going to just close itself down for the sake of morals. And even if they did, a different oil company is just going to take over their market share.

    The only way we stop oil companies is by making them unprofitable, either through voting for legislators that will tax them or sanction them, or by taking away their demand.

    And while your individual demand is tiny, the same as you single individual vote in an election. It won’t have an affect by itself, but if lots of people band together we can make change.

    And the first step of that is acknowledging it.


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    8 days ago

    Okay, we’ve identified the problem is capitalism. Now what? Are you not at fault when you buy cheap crap from China you don’t need or take your car somewhere you could have walked, because the problem is capitalism?

    When crops are failing due to drought and kids are starving to death is pointing the finger at capitalism going to save them?



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    8 days ago

    Honestly I’m starting to hate this narrative

    For one, by far the most polluting companies are state owned coal companies in China and India. Then other state owned fossil fuel companies and then private fossil fuel companies.

    So all those companies are just power generation. So it’s not like they can just stop, people need the electricity.

    And it’s not like nothing is being done either. Like by far the biggest polluter is China’s coal industry, making up 25% of global emissions, but China is also THE global leader on clean energy investment. They are currently building more nuclear power plants than the entire rest of the world has, they are making the biggest most powerfull wind turbines in the world, etc.

    And if people would stop consuming cheap, disposable shite from China, then they wouldn’t use so much electricity, so would burn less coal and also you wouldn’t make a bunch of shit that’s just going to end up in a landfill.


  • Also when every lead poisoned hillbilly and their toddlers don’t have unfettered access to firearms, that probably brings down life expectancy a little bit.

    And I’m sure the massive over reliance on cars, the form of transit with the highest mortality rate, and freeway doesn’t help.

    Nor the fact that every portion of food is enough to feed a small village for a week and is at least 10% corn syrup by mass.