From my experience working with people of different backgrounds, a lot of people don’t give two shits about what system. As a matter of fact, they don’t even realise it. I worked with Somalis and while I appreciate their excellent work ethic, they work too hard and wish to work seven days straight if they could. But given the worsening cost of living crisis and the pay rise barely budged, what is the point? And the thing is, my Somali colleagues don’t even realise this because they are still new to the country. Moreover, they came from a culture that is not class conscious. And most importantly, their culture is still very traditional. When I say very traditional, I mean that they are still trapped by the expectation that an individual’s worth is tied to how “useful” you are to society. In other words, how useful you are as a worker. So, they work and work and question those who don’t do overtime (I do overtime but I don’t do it every week).
Capital-owners know the inherent nature of humans to feel to belong as long as one is “earning their keep”, and exploit this nature especially on those who came from background that are not class conscious or not well-to-do. You are shamed if you don’t want to do overtime. It is taboo to say it, but this is why businesses love immigrants because A) they don’t complain due to desperate economic predicament they are put into and therefore less likely to unionise. Then B) their backgrounds are traditional and hierarchical so they are less likely to question authority. And finally C) because immigrants tend to accept low pay because they benchmark their adopted country’s minimum wage to that of their home country which is much lower, and thus think they are “rich” working in factories or cleaners in developed countries (but will they even return to their home countries, which are still too racked by instability to enjoy their new found wealth?). Perhaps more importantly, speaking as someone coming from a poor country myself, many immigrants are materialistic. Many workers think they are becoming rich by working 10x hard and doing overtime seven days straight. This benefits the capitalist system’s self-perpetuating cycle of exploitation. But really, the workers are only enriching their bosses who earn 100x more salary for little work and pay them pittance in return, while also paying half their monthly wages to their landlords.
It sounds like I am scapegoating immigrants. I am not, because of course immigrants do the job that locals don’t like to do, like in farms, nursing homes, factories and house keeping. But expecting a class conscious and socialist utopia is a nigh impossible sell because other cultures simply value things far too differently. Even in supposedly communist China, they have produced more billionaires than the USA in the past five years, and many Chinese with their new found wealth love to flaunt their newly bought status symbols.
most of the people who need to come to this realization don’t know what stockholm syndrome is
and most of them don’t care
I don’t think anyone knows what Stockholm Syndrome is, as it’s just a concept and isn’t recognized as real because it’s usually just used as a blanket term thrown around when people don’t actually know what the specific underlying issues are.
All of us: follow the science.
This thread: no, not like that!
Huh? It’s the notion of captives forming a bond with their captors. People are using it to convey that simple psychological concept. It’s “usually” used for that purpose.
I think you missed the point of the response and should look into the scientific evidence for Stockholm syndrome.
I think it appears you’ve missed the point of my response, wherein the existence of “scientific evidence” for Stockholm Syndrome is unimportant; The phrase “Stockholm Syndrome” being a part of vernacular meant to convey the notion of captives forming bonds with their captors is helpful for communication irrespective of the existence or veracity of a psychological diagnosis related to the phrase. The point of their response was defeatism through judgment and their own superiority.
Even in that context, it’s not really a thing. It’s something that happened once and had a name attached to it. That’s it. The rest is pop science garbage.
and i was thinking we’d left all the armchair psychiatrists behind in reddit. it was only a matter of time i guess
The concept of Stockholm syndrome accurately describes these “capitalist” workers. Stockholm syndrome passing scientific rigor has no relevancy to this discussion.
You really don’t get it, do you?
syndrome
a group of symptoms which consistently occur together, or a condition characterized by a set of associated symptomLGTM.
Just grouping symptoms. Not implying the assumption of any cause.
The problem arises when people start considering this one name to be good enough as a diagnosis.
Just because something isn’t an academic term doesn’t mean it’s not a real concept.
I haven’t seen any published scientific articles about you, are you sure you’re real?
No, it’s not a real thing at all. It’s completely pop science that has no justification.
It’s literally a concept described in this post.
Is the post a peer reviewed study?
No?
It’s pop sci garbage.
Alright. Autism is caused by vaccines then. Just because enough people believes something exists doesn’t make something real. Humans do grow attached to people they are in proximity to. It has nothing to do with being the person holding you there.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
Battered spouse syndrome may work.
Jokes on graffiti guy. I know exactly how shackled I am.
Do you own your house? or do you still pay a mortgage?
Do you own your car? or do you still pay for it through the bank?
Do you have debt you can’t finish paying until the day you die?
Then you are you not a capitalist because you own nothing … you own no capital.
I own my house, my shitbox car, have 0 debt, and a healthy savings account. I’m still not a capitalist, because fundamentally I make my living through my own labor. That’s the difference.
Uh, then explain my hobo fight gambling ring?
wtf you want me to do about it honestly?
Organize, most obviously via unions and mutual aid networks. Lefties have a lot to say about how to fight back against capitalism; it’s just that nobody listens to them.
The actual truth is they don’t work. If they did, they would’ve.
You mean unions? Because they did work, extremely well, for a long time.
they still work in many parts of the world
And why don’t they now?
Because the field changed.
Imagine if you continued to fight with a sword because it worked once. It is different now, there are guns.
No, they don’t work because they were systematically dismantled by Republicans for a generation.
That’s literally what I’m saying.
-Louis XIV on the nature of republics.
Uh… They did work, unless you think labor laws and standards are the same as they were in the late 19th century. Then the workers of America stopped organizing so obviously it stopped working.
Interesting because I watched the American government in my time completely ignore every protest ever.
Black and brown people are targeted more than ever, queer people are immensely unsafe currently, labor laws are sliding backwards with children dying in meat factories and guns are still killing kids.
What did we accomplish exactly? Not much in over a century
When is the last time you went on strike for political reasons? Never? Well go change that and then complain. The people who did change things took on more personal risk than all acts of resistance Americans have done since Reagan combined. Look up the battle of blair mountain. Marches are, frankly, pussy shit that are only relevant if you want to meet people to organize for real resistance.
Do what’s in our best interest, not theirs.
Thanks for the not-an-answer.
It’s a good anawer but too vague. What he means is that you need to start discerning between the shit that they want you to believe that will make you rich for example work 3 jobs, invest in stocks, crypto. And start doing things that are really in you best interests like learn to cook linstead of buying always from takeover, learn a trade (I’m trying to learn to sew myself), get a good phone that last you years instead of a shit hyped one, install linux, stop chasing trends and fast fashion etc… Yeah it looks like that new type commie feminist hipster life but it’s happening for a reason is people trying to unplug the lifewire of predatory capitalism that drives you crazy and depressed.
Thanks for the better-than-the-other-guys-answer.
Anytime.
If the actions you’re engaging in result in a gain for the capital class, stop doin’ it. Stop enriching the capital class. Stahp it!
A couple examples like: working for lower wages, allowing them to collect and share your data, engaging in needless consumerism, blah blah blah.
The point is, they are few and they are united in their shared interests. It’s time we, as the many, do the same.
So when are “the many” getting together for the revolution, seems overdueat this point.
If you’re looking for a revolution you’ll probably be disappointed friend. We’re more likely to see change in the world by interacting with our own community. Be there for our neighbors, even if it’s just to shoot the shit.
Mutual aid and all that hippy shit is what’s unironically gonna change things. My take is just not to take it too seriously and just be a good person.
Youre like two steps short of where we are now.
Just stop believing that “you are a capitalist”, of course.
The rest will come from inside your mindLike tinker bell!
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I fuckin wish
I don’t think anyone calls themselves “a capitalist” lol this ain’t the 1800s
Some of us support the system of capitalism though. Almost all of us who support capitalism also support strong regulations on it.