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Summary
Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation and architect of Trump’s Project 2025, employs intense fire-related rhetoric in his upcoming book, Dawn’s Early Light: Taking Back Washington to Save America, advocating for a “controlled burn” of institutions he deems corrupt or antithetical to conservative goals.
Roberts calls for dismantling entities like the FBI, Ivy League schools, and the New York Times, framing it as necessary to “renew” America.
His incendiary language has sparked controversy, with critics alarmed by the violent imagery and its implications for Trump’s second term.
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Didn’t Trump already say he’s not doing P2025 and wants to go with some other plan that involves messing around with taxes and taking troops out of Syria? And that the Right is pissed cause he’s not doing P2025…
If true, that might be the first good deed he’s done
If false, that sucks, cause I really don’t wanna end up in a camp
I haven’t heard that. What I’ve heard is that Stephen Miller said they’re full steam ahead with Project 2025.
I don’t think you’re allowed to burn boy scouts.
They LITERALLY wrote this all out before the Election so Voters could Read and Understand what they’re Voting for!
Ah come on, that involves reading.
I think he should start with burning himself
Why the fuck would you get rid of boy scouts it’s literally a patriotic paramilitary (kinda) organization with a checkered past on sexual abuse that should be a Republican wet dream lol
Probably because the boy scouts no longer fits their narrative of “women bad”.
He probably wants to replace it with a Hitler Youth style of program.
Whole it does teach survival skills and can teach about shooting, most of the skills are just to prepare you for life. Importantly though, it builds a community focused on helping people and doing good. It’s a children’s version of a mutual aid group almost. This is a bad thing for children to learn in their opinion probably.
Paramilitary is stretching it a bit, stuff like shooting guns is optional and with guidelines from the sane past. It plays an anemic role in the BSA, tbh.
The vast majority of boy scouts is learning constructive things like how to cook, how to perform first aid on someone who got injured in a car accident or hike, how to use a map and compass if you get lost, and basic financial planning so you aren’t an idiot with money.
In short, it prepares you for life and situations where someone might freeze up if they don’t know what to do in an emergency. It also makes people fluent with the outdoors and feel comfortable spending time outside of the big city.
Tldr; it’s a group that prevents incel or gang behavior and helps people make friends.
Some parts of the military try to use the scouts as a vector for reaching potential recruits. definitely had a few army recruiters come by my troop. Also the rank structure, uniforms, focus on leadership, etc certainly looks a bit military-ish.
And fwiw, I don’t think the scouts does much to address incel behavior. Maybe it helps with gangs, idk.
When I said paramilitary I was really just talking about the ranks and leadership structure.
Bruh…paramilitary? Get fuckin real.
Paramilitary because of the rank and leadership structure. I’m not saying they’re doing combat training lmao
That’s still stupid. Just because an organization has ranks or leaders doesn’t mean it’s paramilitary. Oh no they have organization and structure that reflects how much work they’ve done! It’s not the same at all. Paramilitary is possibly the dumbest take on scouts I’ve ever heard. There are plenty of things to criticize without making up stupid fear mongering bullshit.
adjective Of, relating to, or being a group of civilians organized in a military fashion, especially to operate in place of or assist regular army troops.
Literally the first Google result lol
Also said (kinda) paramilitary so settle down there guy lol
And literally doesn’t resemble scouts at all. Nothing to settle down. I just think this is a really really stupid comparison.
When I lived in Alabama as a kid, they taught us to shoot rifles.
Learning to properly shoot a rifle as a group isn’t the same as a paramilitary at all. If that’s all it took then every gun safety course in the world is a part of a secret cabal intent on having a global paramilitary. Which is stupid as fuck leap. The fact that your troop went shooting in Alabama says more about being in fucking Alabama than it does being a scout.
They renamed themselves the Scouts and let in girls. Maybe that’s why? These people are insane and evil, so honestly it doesn’t matter why.
which was done to keep the organization afloat revenue wise and weirdos on the internet tried to call it woke in a bizarre case of friendly fire
Also because scouting exists in many other cultures and most of them are mixed. Intercamp fucking slaps
They’ve done a lot to prevent child abuse recently. That upsets republicans.
but then they got woke
Is the national organization still anti-atheist? (NOT local chapters that oh-so-generously look the other way)
I think the mormon church sold them, so maybe?
Laying the ground work for a really quiet coup ay
We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable. We needed one more term at least. It was clear how suddenly Republicans try to denounce the FBI as a liberal institution after Wray said that white supremacists were the #1 domestic terrorist threat.
Now, we’re fucked.
I think they want the FBI gone because they go after child traffickers.
They want the FBI gone because the republican party is a criminal organization.
We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable.
“We” had four goddamn years and did absolutely fuck-all with it! Frankly, in retrospect, the fix was in when Biden appointed Merrick Garland instead of somebody who would actually care about the rule of law and do his goddamn job.
Four years to fix a global pandemic and undo some of the trump admin damage.
That was the bipartisan infrastructure act to shore up stuff like roads, bridges and more, the IRA to address inflation, climate goals (freed up a ton of money for green infrastructure, replacing outdated equipment at factories like gas smelters and furnaces) and more, the CHIPS and science act to counter china and restart manufacturing here in the US, as well as smaller stuff like debt relief for students, consumer protections against banks and airlines, and repealing DOMA via respect of marriage act for interracial and queer families.
In addition to conquering covid and rescuing a crashing economy in 2020. He realistically did most of this in two years because Republicans blocked them at the midterms.
Not to mention a lot of anti-competitve and merger blocks that would have fucked our country, like having one grocery store brand across the entire US. (These will probably go through in a trump admin)
He wasn’t able to get it all done, but he had one arm tied behind his back and still got a decent amount done before they got hamstrung.
I know this isn’t popular, but because I’ve literally never seen a substantive counter-argument for this, I have to say that I think Merrick Garland did all that he could given the stacked courts surrounding him. Nobody could’ve done better. He was clearly building a case from the bottom up that is a classic example of RICO prosecution style, hence the largest criminal investigation in the FBI’s history when going after those who committed January 6th. That was always going to lead to Trump. People, however are dreaming and romanticizing this belief that we could’ve “got” Trump within one year’s time and that was never possible.
The only thing that matters is that many Americans knew what Trump was, and a large swath opted to sit out and go, “Both sides!”
We couldn’t even convince the proverbial jury that was the American people of crimes in plain sight when they gave a verdict on November 5th.
I would disagree, I have only my own perception to go off of but from my observations:
There were 3 or 4 prosecutors chomping at the bit to go after Trump but Garland held them back.
It wasn’t until they found out about the missing documents that things changed. Even then Garland just wanted the documents returned, if Trump had complied that would have been the end of it.
It wasn’t until Trump refused to return specific documents that we knew he had - that crossed a red line for Garland.
Once you let one prosecutor go after Trump, what’s the excuse for holding back the others? So the flood gate was open, but only when every attempt was made to let Trump get away with it all.
For perspective, Hitler was arrested, tried, imprisoned, wrote Mein Kampf, and already released by when this much time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch. I don’t really give a fuck what the excuses are; the fact that it was delayed this fucking long is absolutely wrong and, if not an indictment of Garland himself directly, then an indictment of the whole system of which he was the fucking head! Either way, Garland was incompetent at best and absolutely deserves all the blame he gets, and more.
Hitler had a lot of help, the economic hardships were a lot different and the Weimarer Republik was already weakened thanks to Heinrich Brüning and Paul von Hindenburg. The Weimarer Republik also did not have nearly as much safeguards as both the U.S. and for example modern Germany have. Not only that: There are still people that care and still people to fight. Trump and his cronies still have quite a bit of work to do - not only that, i believe they will stack their cards so badly and defund so many things, many Systems will just crumble. Hackers around the world are licking their fingers right now. ODNI, the FBI and CISA are instrumental in fighting all of that. Tanking them will wreack havoc and open so many doors, i’ll be surprised if the U.S. makes it unharmed to the midterms.
Unfortunately Hitler’s Putsch was far more clear cut and our court systems already largely ruined by the time Garland assumed his office in 2021. Hitler never had the power to corrupt the courts preceding his failed coup. I also don’t know if we can compare 1:1 our criminal justice system to 1920s Germany.
This is just a continuation of the wants of the Koch brothers libertarian party agenda from 1979/80.
But, yes, we are fucked.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations
https://lpedia.org/wiki/Document:National_Platform_1980
I know very little about the Chevron doctrine but I know that the overturning of that made it possible for corporations to essentially ignore any administrative oversight.
I often wondered what would happen if someone were to take the frequencies of the military or even airport flight control and just started broadcasting. Does the FCC have delegated authority? If they don’t, sounds like anyone can broadcast Rick Astley on any frequency.
The problem that these justices and elites seem to forget is that they are trusting on the very systems they dismantling working for them.
I know very little about the Chevron doctrine but I know that the overturning of that made it possible for corporations to essentially ignore any administrative oversight.
I saw an interesting thing yesterday saying that legally this could backfire because federal agencies can now be sued for their interpretation of the law.
I do expect that our future includes a lot of stupid plane crashes because of lax regulation
But shareholders will get rich.
That’s all that matters.
It is not just a continuation of this. Maybe some of the economic things in P2025 come from there, but I don’t think the Koch’s were ever trying to ban pornography and track women’s menstrual cycles.
He hates the Boy Scouts and BlackRock? But is also super right-wing? Who is this guy?
A scout’s job is to gather facts and information, and report back so that an army can make informed decisions.
Can’t imagine why a right-wing extremist would be afraid of an organization that teaches those skills to kids.
Maybe wants to turn the boy scouts into a new hitler youth or make way for it
The boy scouts one is especially baffling. A lot of boys become more traditionally “manly” through boy scouts. It is physically active and they typically learn skills like camping, fire starting, wood working. We were also expected to do good deeds, be polite, and overall be decent members of society that help where is needed, such as litter clean ups and tree plantings. I guess the latter half of my point is where their issues start?
Maybe because they now allow girls to participate. Integration is “woke” and must be destroyed.
They are changing the name to just “Scouts” to reflect this. And is 100% why these assholes have an issue with them now.
On May 7, 2024, BSA announced that the organization will change its name to Scouting America. While the name change will officially go into effect on February 8, 2025, on its 115th anniversary, all are encouraged to use the name immediately.
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I didn’t know that part. I thought conservatives hate them because they now allow gay leaders after being sued to pieces over it. Also didn’t they crack down on pedophiles in the organization? That is the number one pastime of conservative men.
Lol. They didn’t get sued to pieces because their leaders were gay, it was because some of them were pedophiles.
Nobody sued them over gay leaders.
They got sued by parents over not doing anything about pedos, AND got sued by prospective leaders because they were being prevented from joining over their sexual orientation.
Bill wanted to be a scoutmaster since he grew up with scouts, but since he was gay, he was not allowed. He then sued the organization over it. (idk names, that’s just for clarity)
I obviously meant that they were sued for NOT allowing gay leaders and I think even scouts themselves. Google it if you care. Conservatives don’t like that they changed the policy on gays.
I would bet that this is the correct answer.
If they are the Boy Scouts and allow girls to participate then this looks to be the start of a trans joke.
I think the issue started a little over a decade ago, when the Boy Scouts got in some hot water for discriminating against gay kids and they actually tried to be better.
Both of them are pretty baffling. Because you’re right about the Boy Scouts, but also, BlackRock is basically a Republican dream company.
Because he’s attacking all institutions that have some sort of control he wants. The wide net just feeds into the deep state narrative and he needs to capitalize on that right now
Kids, healthcare, education, private equity etc… that’s how you make a dictatorship.
See it this way, BlackRock has enough power to do to the republican party what the republican party is doing to the gov. They need all of that gone to become megalomaniac authoritarians.
If I wanted to become Bill Gates, and make my own Microsoft, i first have to outlaw bill gates and Microsoft.
Did you just accidentally almost coin the term “magalomaniac”?
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I think this is right, but I would add there’s a chance this all ends up being for show and BlackRock makes some public show of fealty to the Trumpists that makes them look powerful and gets BlackRock some government contracts down the line. Like, hypocrisy is no barrier for the right wing, they’re fully capable of writing a whole novel about (e.g.) how we must destroy Google and then turning around and buying a bunch of shit from them.
If they already have that much power, it would make more sense to stay on their good side, at least for now, wouldn’t it?
Now is the time to scare them at least, and if there’s any time to have them on the bad side it’s now. See who kneels and who doesn’t imo.
They have the upper hand now, if MAGA is firmly in control of the government, they can dismantle Blackrock in a month.
What? How?
This kind of ignorance is what is most upsetting to me… People just do not seem to be able to grasp the totality of authoritarian rule. I understand why, there is nothing in recent memory even close to this to compare.
But we have really failed our students by not drilling home just how insidious fascism is. Under fascism, corporations become another arm of the government to be used however the singular leader sees fit. Or they get eliminated.
The keys to GAINING power are not the same keys needed to KEEP power.
They gained the power (or will in a few months)
Now they need to keep it.
If one of the keys needed to get it could potentially turn on you, it’s better for your regime to eliminate them as soon as possible after taking power.
For a better explanation, CGP GREY has a video about rules for rulers, which clears things up quite well: https://youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs
I guess the Boy Scouts are “woke” now too since they dared to allow gay scouts and girls rather than fold because they were not making enough revenue.
If it’s not hateful and white it doesn’t represent conservative values, in other words, woke
Come to think of it, BlackRock occasionally allows people a shade darker than peach rent their properties too.
That’s radical wokeism
I could see the blackrock angle as trying to appease the working class. Like “see we hate big wealth too” but then never actually do anything to hurt blackrock.
Maybe it is because of this: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-246-billion-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-settlement-proceed-2024-02-22/
So are they going to condemn the church as well?
My mother in law has a book about “Woke Jesus”, and I know some churches have had issues because the parishioners think Jesus was a wuss.
“My Jesus can kick your Jesus’ ass!” is the most American thing someone could say
do good deeds, be polite, and overall be decent members of society that help where is needed
They call that “woke”.
Edit - oh whoops, didn’t mean to just steal that right out of @[email protected] 's mouth.
Not to mention many troops still have an emphasis on Christianity. Though it’s slightly less mandatory than it used to be.
…Let them fight, I guess?
Right but a lot of 2025 restructuring is limited by the 3 branches of goverment. You can’t just get rid of the FBI so easily. You can’t deport illegals on a massive scale so easily. He has big promises but he won’t be able to do nearly as much. Even with loyalists there is a reason why our founders made certain overhauls difficult. Because of people like him…
At the end of the day those roadblocks are just laws. Laws that he has been cleared to break as long as he does so under the pretense of an official act.
So technically yes and no. He cant just say he wants to get rid of the fbi or remove term limits at will. Study how the Goverment works
Their goal is to break it. They control all branches of government. Who is there to stop them?
They can’t break it though. I mean anything he does deemed unconstitutional can be challenged by any appeals court judge that can strike it down. He needs 2/3 congress approval which he doesn’t have the votes for constitutional changes and changes to the exec branch. Lots of changes are complicated. Even removing the ACA.
Remembered day one in 2017 he had that travel ban? A judge struck it down and they appealed and lost. He doesn’t have a magic wand…
They didnt have SCOTUS locked down at the time. They do now. They’ll appeal any appellate court decision to the Supreme Court, who will find any excuse to rule in their favor. It’s already happened with Dobbs, the plaintiff literally had no standing to bring a suit, but SCOTUS said, “We won’t worry about that.” Then ruled based kn a Brittish law from before we were a country.
You seem to think they believe in the rule of law. They don’t. They have spent 50 years preparing for this fucking moment where they can become the ruling class. Look at how Alito and Thomas openly flaunt that they’re for sale.
They. Don’t. Care.
I hope I’m right and you’re wrong for the sake of our democracy. I hope it lasts more than 250 years
I hope so too, but the writing is on the wall. People saw Project 2025 and still voted for it. And now they’re gonna ram it down our throats.
You’re not paying attention. They aren’t following the old rules anymore. They haven’t been for years. They will not be defeated by words on paper.
I mean anything he does deemed unconstitutional can be challenged by any appeals court judge that can strike it down.
And then appeal it to the SCOTUS who literally gave him criminal immunity. With Congress and SCOTUS, it doesn’t matter what the Constitution actually says. Just what they can twist it with paper thin reasoning to mean.
So who’s stopping him?
You underestimate the reason we have separation of powers. If Trump wanted to get rid of term limits he would need 2/3 votes from both houses which he doesn’t have and 38 states need to ratify. This also includes with any constitutional change. There’s red tape for a treason
That amendment really meant consecutive terms. So Trump being president again is fine.
That’s just as ridiculous of an argument as the president being criminally immune.
When the branch that has the final say on what the Constitution means is on board, you don’t have to actually amend it.
While the powers are separated, if all three are aligned there is nothing they can’t do. The supreme court has already demonstrated it’s able to reinterpret the constitution in a way no other court has done in history.
My personal reaction to reading this is that I want to pick up the book just to better understand what he believes these conservatives values are. Then I realized this is like trying to understand why Hitler wanted to gas the Jews.
What’s more important is why the fuck Americans are democratically voting for this. I’m going to venture to guess (and hope) that the majority of people who voted for Trump have no clue what they voted for. I’d like to hope that teachers are going to use this moment in time to perfectly frame it along with the rise of Nazi Germany but I know that Trump also intends on burning down the DoE. Teachers will be prevented from using history to educate students.
Incidentally, I’m already exhausted by all the “news” being made about why the Dems lost and Trump prevailed. We have to be discussing why our media and our existing elected officials are all ignoring the plight of middle class Americans while failing, as they have always done, to educate people.
I remember as a kid hearing presidential debates and getting aggravated that the politicians weren’t answering questions. And then in interviews and news reports a topic will be discussed but the contexts and ramifications of that topic are often left out (time constraints, etc). Quick example; why Biden sent arms to Israel has as much, if not more, to do with Iran as it does Gaza. WHY is never explained in political discourse and the media never pressures or holds officials accountable. I am terrified of what Trump will do to our already squeamish journalism community.
I still blame the media for Trump’s 2016 win and I’m blaming them again today. People are clueless. Not to say they’re unintelligent, they are uneducated regarding politics and history.
People are all in their own bubbles living their day to day lives and occasionally see headlines on their mobile apps. They’re subtly influenced, sometimes by the news media but I’d venture to guess equality often by the efforts of Russian, Iranian, and Chinese disinformation armies.
Moreover, this far from a new issue. I was just reading and commented on a story about Musk being the most powerful unelected citizen in America. This reminded me a bit of the guy Citizen Cane was based off of. William Randolph Hearst owned a sprawling media company and used his influence to publish articles that were favorable to Nazis.
How are we not only allowing this but voting in favor of it?
Something is broken. It’s not the political parties. It’s evidently not the electoral college. Schools have always taught about WWII so it’s not our education system. It could be the two party first-past-the post voting system. It could be how election campaigns are financed.
I think we’re distracted. I think there’s too much going on in modern lives. Too many Americans are struggling to get by while also using every moment of free time to disengage. There’s basic government and economic policies and norms that people are clueless about. Take drilling for oil: most Americans think that if we drill for more oil our gas prices will go down. That’s not at all true. This will only increase profits for the oil companies because, while the US actually produces more oil than any other country, we lack the infrastructure to refine the oil we have. Honestly, I only learned about that this week. Not to mention the whole tariff thing that republicans are clueless about. Above all else, I’m terrified that Trump’s presidency is going to bankrupt Americans.
As this article alludes to, Americans should know that the GOP agenda is to dismantle federal agencies and replace them with private corporations. Some agencies and services will go to the states while others will become Wall Street funded corporations. Theoretically, federal taxes should decrease but state and homeowner taxes are going to sky rocket. The costs of goods and services is going to sky rocket while the quality plummets over time. This has been in the playbook since before Reagan got into office. Now they have the momentum, the votes, and the stooge in the White House to make it happen.
Don’t be distracted as the stock market goes to the moon. This is their agenda – to make themselves richer on the backs of clueless Americans.
Your point about the debate thing is really what gets me. They ask a question and the person on the other end might be close to the answer or they might give some vague response but the moderators are always gutless about it.
“I asked you this question, answer it or we will assume you have no answer and move on.”
In an ideal world, dodging questions would lead to decreased popularity. Politicians should feel that if they give bullshit answers, they will not get elected. To get there, we must actually demand, reward, and punish with the power we have, our votes. Of course, one person doing it makes no difference. We need to convince others that this is important.
Shock collars during interviews would be entertaining and help keep people on topic
This is the kind of stuff that makes me turn on or at least waiver on the candidates I fully support. These interviewers are asking question on behalf to he public - the people you intend to represent. Answer them!
Great comment, I share many of those concerns.
I guess I’m not so worried that he will bankrupt America per se, but that the US dollar will be diminished in value, and all of the effort, savings and social security that we’re all banking on in the future become nearly worthless, while billionaires plunder our country and continue to reap value in spite of the worthlessness.
I’m also concerned Trump is going to die mid-term, and Vance will be running as a better positioned incumbent.
The supreme court, well, that’s just a lost cause at this point. I don’t see it ever coming back into balance in my lifetime, and perhaps the country goes with it.
I welcome a Vance presidency. What has made Trump Trump is his stubbornness and defiance of “no”. He’s the kind of guy who comes into a meeting says, this is what we’re doing, make it happen or you’re fired, and walks out. This is the same playbook people like Jobs and Musk use(d). Vance lacks this gift and I fully expect Trump’s supporters to turn on him.
Schools have always taught about WWII so it’s not our education system.
It’s definitely not not our education system
You can’t really point at today’s education system and use it to blame Americans.
People who voted for Trump:
65+: 51%
45-64: 52%
30-44: 47%
18-29: 46%Our public education system has been abysmal compared to other “first world countries” and we should all be embarrassed.
This has been part of the GOP agenda for decades though. The public schools keep getting worse and subtly foster anti-intellectualism in favor or memorization while the private and higher education schools flourish. The GOP wants to abolish the department of education and replace it with either state run education and/or private corporate owned education.
“Education” is not in the constitution so with a conservative Supreme Court, it’s very likely we will see the DoE go away. Bear in mind that the DoE was only just created under Carter and Reagan campaigned on getting rid of it.
And, as teachers start getting wind of this and realizing what the future may hold for them, they’re going jump ship. Any hope we have of progressing as a country and competing with other countries is gone. This nation will be run by a handful of corporations paying crap wages to non-union workers without the benefit of social security or pensions.
The writing has been on the wall for a hundred years. We’ve laughed at it, maybe pondered it, but never took it seriously. All the dystopian novels that have been written are about to come true.
Biden leaves Afghanistan, the Taliban takes over.
Biden leaves the white house, the Taliban takes over.
You know, at least there’s some solace in knowing Trump 100% didn’t and can’t read Project 2025. He’s still going to bull-in-the-china-shop his way though this but I don’t think he’s going to follow the script exactly.
Too bad critique can do absolutely nothing now. His wishes have already been granted.
Can we keep the boy scouts the rest can go
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