Russia is happy US made the same mistake as them.
“Mistake”
Russia’s operative in office was given explicit instructions to start this war.
Yes, and now both countries started a war they expected to easily win and now looks like they made the same mistake. There are an endless amount of differences between these two wars but it not going as easy as hoped is one very clear similarity.
I think you misspelled Israel.
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Funny, even mentioning Ukraine in a post title starts a tankie fest. Fellas working overtime, I see
Seriously. It’s like someone spilled tankie chum on the carpet, or something.
Someone did something stupid and refederated with Hexbear the infected are breaking containment again
My instance isn’t even federated with hexbear or .ml and I still see a bunch on their alts
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is some program that sources places to comment for these bots. Russia would be a logical keyword in that case.
Yeah, they are in overdrive recently. Had one calling me an imperial pig for saying that the Iranian regime, a theocratic dictatorship, are not the best of guys.
Pots and kettles…
Russia also mocked the EU for not joining this war and not helping the USA.
I don’t get it, is Iran their ally or not? Why would they want Europe to attack Iran? Oh right, they need a distraction from Ukraine and they don’t give a fuck about a single ally.
I guess the new allies are Russia and the USA.
It’s always an alliance of convenience amongst authoritarian states.
“Russia”'s allies are not other coutries, it’s other elites. No country is allied with any country. It’s just that the elites agree on what they should do to get away with more shit.
Russia doesn’t care about the US either, the only reason they put Trump in charge is because he is a devisive fuck up loser and would cause the most chaos.
Though if Putin really wanted to destabilize the US into oblivion, he would have “leaked” documents about hacking voting machines to achive a Biden win in 2020. Not that it is at all true, but that would have tipped the MAGA extremist projection over the edge and caused them to errupt into a mass of violent thugs that would have made the Jan 6th Imsurrection look like a picnic.
the only reason they put Trump in charge
Brother, I have some terrible news for you. Americans put Trump in charge.
Is no one considering that Russia has a uniquely qualified perspective when it comes to failure? Game recognize game…
irans war greatly benefited RUSSia, IN THAT THEY CAN recover the money they lost on the ukraine invasion since the oil prices are so high right now.
Ironically the USD:rouble rate is rising the last several days.
The rubles “value” is not very predictive of its real value because no one uses it. It’s like if I print and exchange “Valmonds” with my friends for 10€ a piece (having my “central bank” buying them back for 10€50 to keep “the price” high), doesn’t make them actually valuable.
Afaik RUR was following the oil price quite closely for many years until 2022, seeing as oil exports dwarfed everything else. Since then, the Central Bank of Russia did a lot of trickery to control the rate. However, the rate was pretty stable for weeks at ~70 rub/usd, after USD:RUR has fallen a bit — until the last few days, precisely when oil price should’ve risen, and idk what caused that. It’s jumped to 84 rub/usd in about four days.
I mean, they are the experts.
Actually, question here: how many wars has Russia won that they actually started?
Afghanistan was a shit show as per usual. Russo-Japanese war was a loss, though I believe the Japanese started that one.
how many wars has Russia won that they actually started?
We can play this game, but we’re required to do the US next.
Almost as though starting a war is consistently a bad idea for your country.
it takes one to know one
Misery loves company.
Regardless of what the current consensus is the fact remains that the US, through NATO, choked Russia until they had to attack Ukraine.
I just want to point that out.
yeah when i get bored in history class i make up stuff too
Can you explain? I’m lost.
The fact that Ukraine was starting to get into NATO effectively meant more Western influence near Russia. Also, any plans of Russian expansion would be dead because Ukraine would be a NATO country. So I think what he meant by “choking Russia” is disallowing them to take over Ukraine.
this disjointed thinking is what happens when your mother drinks too much vodka with you in utero
Nah, this shit has been going on since russia called itself an empire openly. The only thing that changed is the branding
Right…we made them amass 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and them attack using Jedi mind tricks… gimme a break.
I thought Zelenskyy was the one using Jedi mind tricks on Biden to scam him for weapons? /s
i need glass
best i can do is patriot missiles
oh i will take patriot missiles. i think i need about—
gonna stop you there. you’re gonna get 6
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alright good talk!
Lol
Choked Russia… By buying their oil!? Russia creates all their own problems by being fascist and stupid at the same time.
lemmy.ml is that way -->
Ok then
It’s funny that Ukraine is exposing their own hypocrisy here too. They are defending their own sovereignty against Russia’s aggression yet they support US and Israel aggression over Iran defending their own sovereignty.
The waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There’s not much hypocrisy to be had there, it’s just sad.
Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cat “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
Choosing not to do business with someone isn’t a “breach of sovereignty”.
Using economic thrats to try ro force a country to not build it’s army and security is a breach of sovereigty
breach of sovereigty
You keep using that word but I don’t think you know what it means (or how to spell it).
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
How? By trading with it’s ally Russia? Same way Ukraine has been trading with it’s allies US, EU and others? We are at world war if that’s the case for breached sovereignty.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians.
Yes. Something we can agree on. Iranian people should be the only ones who decides how their country is run.
They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
So the world will lift the sanctions placed on them and let them as citizens of a sovereign nation overthrow their theocratic government?
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least.
I think you are confused and maybe posted in a different thread. “Russia scoffs at US-Israeli ‘miscalculation’ in Iran, years after failing to take Ukraine in days” was the original title of this article… Ukraine’s hypocrisy is very much on point for this article.
Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
Funny you say that. You are in effect the most effective propagandist for theocrats and other autocrats. You celebrate murder of civilians by lawless nations and then pretend to care about civility and rule of law. When that hypocrisy is exposed you are surprised why people are not listening to you.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty. And if people living in those countries are unhappy about their government, it’s up to them and only them to change that. It’s doesn’t matter if we personally like it or not. It’s written in the UN Charter which we all are part of.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty.
I don’t know which country you are in, but I assume we both are part of the global minority that has won the birth lottery and are now residing in a region with relatively stable democratic institutions, a high standard of living, and the enjoyment of expressing an opinion without fear of the police showing up and make you disappear.
The UN Charter, the Declaration of Human Rights, and all other international agreements are valuable if respected by everyone that signed them. Countries like Iran, Russia, and China have signed most of these agreements (including the Declaration of Human Rights), but are apparently ignoring them by default. Russia, for example, agreed to more than 20 ceasefire agreement since its Ukraine invasion has began in 2014, and the Kremlin has undermined all of them.
Iran has now been sending weapons to Russia, supporting its aggression. China has been rightfully named a decisive enabler of Russia in the Ukraine war. Your argument that Ukraine is also supported by the West is dishonest and discredits you, because Ukraine is defending itself. The EU, the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, Canada, and other democratic states are supporting Ukraine’s defense. Iran and China are supporting Russia’s aggression.
This is why we should all care. Because the UN Charter and all other agreements are worthless if not enforced, and we are going in the wrong direction if we don’t stop those who breach them.
Autocratic regimes are not only suppressing their own citizens, they are also actively threatening Western-style democracies and the people there. We must oppose them by all means - militarily, politically, and economically. I don’t want, to provide an example, cheap oil and gas from Russia and Iran nor any renewable energy tech from China.
Why exactly does Ukraine have so much experience shooting down Shahed drones?
Iran has been producing the munitions that have been raining on Ukraine for 4 years.
I’m going to be real with you, I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine. Either you need to tell me with a straight face that the USA respects Palestinian sovereignty or you need to accept that Iran doesn’t respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine.
There isn’t one from sovereignty perspective. Neither US or Iran selling weapons has anything to do sovereignty.
It has to do with which party is the aggressor and should countries use it as leverage for peace. US didn’t commit a genocide in Gaza, they just supported it. Same way, Iran didn’t attacked Ukraine, but they do support it. Israel and Russia are the aggressors who are breaching sovereignty.
Also, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, they could sell those drones to Ukraine or Europe too. Now they are forced to trade with other countries that are already sactioned by US and wouldn’t be affected by sactions.
Ah, so by your measure Iran providing an eye watering amount of munitions to Russia to attack Ukraine is ultimately the fault of the USA?
Whilst it’s a hard bite I understand the stance. I’m a staunch supporter of the Ukraine and unfortunately they have had to make comprises on their position. TBF I think they have balanced well. I am a supporter of Taiwan, I made an effort to buy their products over Chinese where possible, but then they decided to see parts to the Russians and critique Ukraine.
So I can see how hypocrisy can hurt.
Ukraine the brave.
I do support Ukraine too and will continue to support their fight for sovereignty, but this will do unrepairable damage. Until now they were able to call out Russia for their hypocrisy and people take them seriously, now they are the same double faced liars that they were calling out before.
I think liars is a bit strong. Acknowledging compromise is more my stance. And honestly so many have made promises and then let them down.
Yeah, because on one side of the war is their begrudging allies and on the other is an ally to their invader
Ukraine gets a pass because they’re currently being invaded. It’s not an ideologicall position to defend yourself, they aren’t hypocrits for playing wherever hand they’ve got
War is a horrid thing, it makes monsters of us all. The only valid reason is for self defense, and we (theoretically) blame the aggressor for what the victim does in the course of defending themselves
Iran provides thousands of drones to Russia. The US provides weapons to Ukraine… But Ukraine is supposed to support Iran against the US, bolstering their opponent and pissing off an ally? Because I guess it’s better for every man woman and child in Ukraine to be dead and ethically pure than to survive using anything below ideal ethical behaviour??
Make it make sense please!
Iran is where Russia has been getting it’s drones from, so I don’t think Ukraine should feel any type of way about Iran being in conflict, it benefits them on the lower level of drone supply going to Russia.
And Ukraine has been getting weapons from half the world, should that half of the world now be open targets for it?
Sovereignty can’t be conditional. You either support or it you don’t.
Sure, but they aren’t.
geopolitics are far more complicated and simple than “supporting aggression”. it is more like “supporting opening the strait of hormuz” and “supporting preexisting political alliances” and “how the fuck did we end up on the same side of this stupid war as the stupid orange one”
Do they support it or just not criticize them for it due to being so reliant on US weaponry?
Ukraine is no longer reliant on the usa . In fact, europe is the biggest backer of Ukraine right to defend itself and the usa eased up the sanctions on russia because of that war Ukraine support and also moved defendive assets from ukraine to help Israel
They are reliant on US Intel
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel. They praised the attacks, met with the exiled monarch and no word about Iran sovereignty.
They also offered to send drones and drone specialists to the region to shoot down Iranian drones. Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones. If you have issue with that, why are you doing the same?
Also they are not reliant on US anymore, Europe is almost entirely supplying Ukraine now from weapons to intelligence.
Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones.
Well that’s just disingenuous and you know it. There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones. Iran is helping Russia kill Ukrainians. Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran. No Iranians are dying from Ukrainian drones.
Don’t feed the troll, or the tankie lol!
The military bases are used to provide intel to israel and the usa to murder civilians in Iran including anti regime iranians. Nothing defensive about them. Ukranians did participate in the Iraq occupation nobody can use it to jusify the urrian occupation. Iran providing drones to Russia do not justify the war of agresdion israel and the usa started it
If ukraine can talk about a peace deal, it could also negociate along europe to make them move from supporting russia to supporting Ukraine
There’s a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
What a joke. There isn’t such a thing as defensive weapon. Weapons are effensive by their fucking nature.
Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn’t start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran.
The same Gulf countries that allow US bases from which attacks are conducted? Do you even believe the shit you say?
Seems to be a touchy subject for you so I’ll just leave it at this. Take care.
It should be for everyone. We lived through live genocide streamed to the world to see and heard excuse after excuse that nothing could be done because US only supplies defensive weapons to war criminals.
Yup yup yup. Ukraine has been an American colony since they got couped in the early 2010s and Europe is another group of American vassals so saying they’re dependent on them doesn’t really change much altogether, it’s not like they’re team BRICS. So it doesn’t really matter. Some people are silly enough to see the Russian war on Ukraine in a vacuum, not understanding the efforts America has gone through for decades to isolate, destabilise and control Russia, the coup and following the establishment of Ukraine as another American base (basically just Taiwan of Eastern Europe) would’ve continued as planned if Russia hadn’t attacked them. It still continued but with obvious difficulties, hence the kind of stalemate between Western powers and Russia we see today.
Russia is as much a hypocrite here. They are the aggressor using excuses to breach Ukraine’s sovereignty in the same naked way as US or Israel does all the fucking time.
Rich of you to talk about destabiliation as Russia openly interferes in Georgia and Moldova.
Is Russia supposed to move outside of Europe so they don’t get choked and invaded by the West (America and dogs, and I live in a dog country, trust me I don’t like it either)? Is it their fault they are now surrounded by American vassal states, finally with the Ukrainian takeover (Zelensky was publicly embarrassed with that whole “did you even say thank you?” or whatever that was, scolded like a child and the entire EU was meant to sit like employees listening to daddy Trump seen in that recent infamous picture: even the nature of the relationships between these countries and America, the vassalage, is more than out in the open!)?
Friend, if you think that the alternative to Russia moving against Ukraine before America managed to build all the military facilities and industry to finally takeover Russia and make the entirety of Europe their vassals is a “non aligned, independent Ukraine”, you live in la la land. No, this is somewhat similar to what Iran is doing with its nearby neighbours, except that they got bombed twice and suffered the decapitation of their political and religious leader. They believed in the West, they tried diplomacy, after a coup and the following revolution, after years of economic wars. The difference is that Russia anticipated this to a certain degree (they still got all their money stolen by European banks 🤷), probably because the Russians have already dealt with the West for long enough to know they only know violence and subjugation, not cooperation and integration, so war was always going to happen. So Ukraine got infiltrated and couped (or “had their revolution” if you still buy into propaganda) and the rest is history.
Also, bear in mind, any country “moving into the Western sphere of influence” is a potential danger to their non-subjugated neighbours, because at any moment America can start building bases and intelligence and then destabilisation or strikes start happening. For Russia, this is existential, same as it is for Iran today. You’ll notice you mentioned Russian neighbours and not, idk, Somalia, Iran, Vietnam, Venezuela, etc etc. I feel that speaks for itself, right?
We are inpase it seems. You support violating countries sovereignty when it suites you, I oppose it in all cases. There is nothing you can say that can justify or excuse it.
Fair enough, fair enough.
It’s funny how we all delegate the use of heavy weapons to people who are barely able to communicate
Cool, now Trump will drop all the other sanctions.
