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Clickbait horse shit.
When is the revolution you all needed your guns for?
Trump and his minions are always acting in bad faith.
Rules for thee and not for me.
It’s extra funny because I knew a Mexican American guy around the first Trump term who didn’t care that Trump was racist because Republicans are pro-gun. I wonder how all that’s working out for him. Not enough to look him up, but enough to laugh at his stubborn stupidity.
The Right Wing are remaining loyal to their only real value: loyalty and obedience to authority
This is a deeply misleading headline
I kind of agree. The headline makes it sound like the second ammendment has formally been abolished. In reality, it’s just being ignored. If ICE can kill people for carrying guns, then in practice the second ammendment might as well be abolished
It’s 100% weapon’s grade clickbait.
Of course it is. News hasn’t EVER been able to make headlines not be over the top, all the way back to the days of the Gutenberg printing press
I fundamentally disagree. The fact that it still exists on paper is immaterial if you cannot safely exercise the right.
There are plenty of other forms of phrasing to communicate that though.
Well, the headline is an outright lie, not just misleading. But the point about the Democrats not screeching about this from every corner is a good one.
For the MAGAs keeping score at home:
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America First, no foreign entanglements. Yeah, tell it to Venezuela, Greenland, Iran, Gaza, Canada, Mexico, etc.
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Lower Prices on Day One - Still rising on Day 365
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Release the Epstein Files - except the really good stuff of course. Unless it exposes the nasty “victims,” who were just slutty 13 year olds.
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Protect the 2nd Amendment, unless, y’know, you want to actually carry your gun the way the Constitution and SCOTUS allows. Can’t be doing that. Soon they’ll just take them away, but it will be okay if MAGA does it, right?
So with all your precious MAGA promises being broken, why are you still in? The open corruption? The open treason? The virtuosic incompetence? The paramilitary Death Squads murdering innocent American citizens in spontaneous firing squads? The humiliating daily court losses for their all important retaliatory prosecutions? The embarrassing public statements multiple times a day? The frenzied hours long manic posting of racist memes? The shitting his pants during press conferences?
I’ll bet it’s the Pedophilia. The one thing that MAGA can be absolutely counted on is to cover for Pedophilia. Hiding it is LITERALLY their most important job, and they are ALL on board with that objective
That’s why ALL MAGAs are Pedophiles.
Here in Canada we have three major parties and a few minor ones. A decade or more ago ago our three major parties could be described as progressive, centerist, and conservative. These days they can be referree to as progressive, conservative/center-right, and far-right.
How many people do you suppose switched from the Conservitives to the Liberals, from the originally conservative to the now conservative/center-right, in more recent years as the parties changed their alignment and began representing different people? Next to fucking no one. Most originally Conservative voters, if they genuinely believed in what they were saying, should be voting Liberal right now as that party now aligns with their supposed views more closely. Liberals, likewise, only care about voting for the party that puts itself between the two options on either side, calling anyone to the right or left “extreme” or “idealists” no matter what their positions actually are and so it’s difficult to get them to actually make real change.
The moral of this story is that MAGA voters are voting based on following their tribe around and they are completely locked into branding and stereotypes. They believe anything they’re told because they want to align themselves with an image, not vote for a representative. The more this shit goes on the more I think the world needs to ban the idea of political parties so that voters have to actually listen to the campaign promises of candidates.
Conservatism is exclusively about in-group. Everything else is a post-hoc justification. They’re just less, I don’t know, morally developed. Like children.
That will most likely be the evolution. Parties just divide people. Sure it is a way to unite but they are too deeply entrenched in the worst ways
We definitely to give what you said a go everywhere
Some cities have non-partisan elections for offices like mayor. It seems like that would be a good thing, but it’s really because some cities are so partisan, it can be hard to come up with a candidate from the opposing party. By making it non-partisan, they can offer more than one candidate, even if they are both from the same party.
Spot on! Add Racism to your list.
At this point I am waiting for him to switch everything to the metric system
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He doesn’t have the power to abolish 2a, he just has the ability to tell his DOJ to not investigate matters when his administration’s agents violate it. This constitutes a massive abuse of executive power, fostering a culture of impunity and abuse but we all should understand that if and when executive and legislative power fall out of the hands of this admin, these sorts of crime have very long statutes of limitations and accountability (if belated) is entirely in the cards
Well if he really wanted he could sign blanket pardons like his predecessor, though obviously rank and file need not apply.
FYI - nothing happened
« Harris will comes for your guns » -MAGA
Dems campaigned on restricting gun ownership broadly.
Republicans campaigned on restricting civil liberties for liberals specifically.
I’m pro 2A and a lot of my 2A buddies knew damn well Harris wasn’t coming after our guns because she was just going to continue what Biden was doing which was pretty much nothing.
Trump on the other hand has repeatedly lied about his stance on 2A, moved to ban accessories and certain firearms and at one point the ATF had the longest wait times under his first admin. The wait times are nearly non-existent but there are some who argue that is thanks to Biden.
And for those who claim that the “Gun Personality” people voted for Trump, I can tell you from first hand experience those gun nuts did not vote for Trump. It was the faux 2A who go to the range for a photoshoot and buy the Gucci gear who voted for Trump.
It was the faux 2A who go to the range for a photoshoot and buy the Gucci gear who voted for Trump.
I am FINALLY starting to see some guntubers start to call this shit out, and call attention to the fact that their community is getting overrun with people who don’t actually care about proper gun safety and laws, and are only there for the politics and “masculinity” around having guns.
I hope this continues. I was first to speak up that we needed better gun laws in the US, but I also am a gun owner and have always been really disappointed how guns became a political issue and not a guarantee that these political issues don’t overpower us and take away all our rights.
The left needs to arm the fuck up. Political capital comes from force and patriotism, it’s a fucking shame the worst people have taken our most powerful tools for change in the US and used them to get us here.
The vast swaths of tuned-out, comfortable, liberal America look at two sides, the right kissing the flag and promising to defend the country with their lives, and then they look to the left, spitting on the flag and demanding de-armement, and they make a choice which makes them feel safer. It’s utterly stupid that they have this binary vision, but we have to understand how power comes from this perception, and we don’t win without power.
Add two more factors. The fucking Russian and Chinese mobile phones responding on social media.
I hope to see you and your other 2A friends out in the streets. The folks I know are trying to catch up, but gun safety and marksmanship are slow skills to build, and we could use some support from the folks with the know-how.
Where I am, everyone on the street is carrying but you won’t see it. We have constitutional concealed carry and even 60% of the little old ladies I know have one in their purse, and that’s just what I know of.
Yea it’s for LGBTQ+ people mainly but even if you’re not in that demographic, and want to learn. I’m sure plenty of us wouldn’t mind.
I’m a lgbtq+ people, so this is perfect for me.
I thought that was hilarious given that she is known to carry and be proficient with a pistol, and Trump has never held a gun in his life.
The issue is that the dems won’t drop their gun control rhetoric, even with a huge portion of their base becoming armed and fascist literally killing people. I don’t give a shit that Harris own or fired a gun. I give a shit that they’ve not woken up to the realization that gun owners aren’t just maga chodes larping as nazis. They need to drop the anti-gun shit and actually focus on what needs to be done to correct our move towards full blown dictatorship.
I’ve said it a million times. Dems would sweep elections and destroy the GOP if they dropped their anti-2a bullshit.
Isn’t the reason the 2a is so sacred is to be a check on the kind of authoritarian take over already in progress ? All those school kids were murdered so that access to firearms could continue to be unhindered so something could be done to correct your move towards full blown dictatorship?
The fascist are the ones who are heavily armed. On top of that, we’re not at the start a civil war yet. We’re at the ballot box right now, midterms will determine if we move to the next box.
Project 2025 creator or whoever said the second civil war we’ll be blooess if the left allows it. And so far he seems correct.
Yep, and the longer the left keeps pushing to disarm itself the quicker that becomes true.
Fascism can’t be voted out anymore than it was voted in. Continued support for the parties that have enabled it will allow it to continue growing. .
I’m sorry, gonna call bullshit here on the last election.
The D candidate and running mate were gun owners and comfortable owning and using guns. The R candidate when he was President literally said “Take the guns first, go through due process second,”
YET when that’s discussed, somehow it’s (D)ifferent to the gun owners. The “Gun grabbing democrats” won’t stop but Trump saying that but not going through was fine.
So when coworkers are suddenly now worried he might be coming for their guns my response is just call me Cassandra because I saw it coming and here we are!
https://www.everytown.org/press/what-does-freedom-from-gun-violence-mean-for-kamala-harris/
What are you even arguing here? AWB is one of the top things she platformed on for gun laws. Same for ERPOs and UBC(which requires a registery).
I don’t know if you’re assuming I’m defending the turnip in power right now or not, but my point has been that dems are for more gun control and for banning a lot of firearms that are in common use, because they have no clue about firearms.
What dem has come out and said they want to take away 2a? The vast majority of dem proposed gun regulations are not anti 2a. Gun regulation isn’t anti 2a
Gun regulations are anti-2a, almost all gun regulations will not curb our violence or gun deaths in this country. Almost all gun regulations are designed to limit the access of minorities and oppressed groups to arm themselves.
https://fee.org/articles/lawmakers-in-hawaii-propose-repealing-second-amendment/
It takes half a second of googling to pull up links like this. Yes it’s not a platform they run on but to act like that’s not the end goal of a ton of dems is being naive at best and willfully lying at worse. The Democratic party’s end goal is to make it so, basically the rich are all that own firearms in the end.
The actual proposal to Congress in that article reads…
“adopt a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution pursuant to article V of the United States Constitution to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms.”
That’s not removing 2a. The comment of repealing was just that, a comment. That specific comment didn’t make it to the official request to Congress.
Really…you do realize that amending it is just an easier way to basically say it’s null and void.
On top of that, you asked I provided. Let’s stop pretending that there aren’t dems who want it repealed.
Since when does amending ANYTHING mean removing it?
You didn’t provide anything, the linked article didn’t support your claim.
Not just gun control, if democrats became populist they would sweep elections. We pay more money for less service in a great many areas, and we didn’t use to. Call out those gatekeepers that have taken from our shares, in our lifetimes, and promise to bring it back to us. It’s that simple.
The establishment was chosen to kill popular reform, not enact it. The only way forward is replacing them, and they are as secure as ever as they’ve convinced the sheep it’s the voters’ fault for not electing the most unpopular candidate they could find that offered zero reform in a time of anger while the republicans ran as reform.
I’m not helping the establishment democrats, it’s a waste of time, we need new leaders, fighting under these leaders is giving up.
Their goal has never been to win against Republicans but act as a buffer between the working class and the ruling class, acting in the interests of the ruling class
No arguments from me on that.
Who are you going to shoot to bring our democracy back, Rambo?
The 2nd should be repealed. Kids getting murdered in school isn’t a fair price to pay so that gun fetishists can indulge their fantasies.
And this is the exact shit I’m talking about. Your whataboutism doesn’t negate anything I’m saying. It just furthers people who are single issue voters into the hands of the maga chodes because they’re saying “no we’re not going to take the guns” while you spout shit like “repeal the 2nd”.
What’s the point of having the 2nd amendment if it leads to kids being killed, but it’s not used to stop the fascists taking over the country?
You know more children die drowning in pools each year than have been killed via school shootings in the last 10 years combined? Let’s stop acting like the reason you want the firearms gone is because of the kids.
Yes but pools are fun and give exercise. Gun ownership is useless (since they’re no being used now against their main purported purpose).
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Before was Biden then Obama. Almost like gun lobbyist created panic to sell more guns.
And without fail, every accusation continues to be an admission
My dad has been saying that the Republicans were going to be the ones taking guns when people go on about “gun grabbing democrats” since Reagan apparently. I was only long enough to hear him say that around Bush era onward but this is my shocked face that he was right.
I fully agree with your father and I’ve been saying the same thing since the 2001 Patriot Act and when the Orange Kool-Aid guzzlers won in 2016. Those fucks will eventually abolish 2A for the full power grab.
Oh, dear. I hope you’re no longer like that.
The US Attorney basically said no gun carry in Washington DC.
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This syndrome reached an apotheosis of sorts when Jeanine Pirro, best known as a reality TV judge and right-wing blowhard, and now (because of course!) appointed by Trump as U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, issued this edict: if anyone brings “a gun into the District, you mark my words, you’re going to jail. I don’t care if you have a license in another district and I don’t care if you’re a law-abiding gun owner somewhere else.”
That article was so long to bury that.
Every republican accusation has always been a confession. Their base will parrot whatever talking point they’re given with dead eyes
Amending the constitution requires a super majority… Not a deranged despot.
He doesn’t get to decide which parts of the Constitution are in force or not.
At the executive level, he gets to decide how the federal policing departments interpret statute and execute their department objectives.
In the modern era, that means taking a reading of “gun possession” as “physical threat to police” and permitting the police to respond to anyone they think might be carrying with lethal force. That’s not a repeal of the 2nd amendment in a literal sense. But it does make open carrying extremely dangerous in practice.
Of course, this isn’t news to everyone.
Being a Black gun owner in the US comes with a unique set of challenges. The Second Amendment is often not applied to Black gun owners in the same way it is applied to white gun owners. Lawfully armed Black people are often viewed as a threat and met with police violence, in part because of implicit bias that law enforcement is not immune to.
Philando Castille was a registered gun owner in St. Paul, Minnesota, who was shot and killed by police in front of his girlfriend and her daughter, after disclosing that he was armed. Alton Sterling, who was killed by police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, was legally armed at the time of his death. Black Americans are disproportionately murdered or injured by police and Black gun owners describe being stereotyped and misperceived by law enforcement.
What we have is a white population that’s catching up to the treatment enjoyed by minorities for decades.
Yes he does, because you’re not fucking doing anything about it. You can say “That’s illegal!” like it’s a magic spell all you want, but Trump doesn’t care what is legal. Either you go stop him, physically, or he will keep doing whatever he feels like.
Yet federal officers follow his orders. No one enforces the constitution, even if the courts back it up, and they will find a way not to.
So is anyone stopping him or are people just claiming that he can’t do that while he’s doing it.
So you look at Trump, his goons, his record and you say: “That good ol’ piece of paper is going to defeat facism.” ?
