A 21-year-old tourist has described the horrendous treatment he allegedly received after being denied entry to the USA due to a meme depicting JD Vance as bald being found on his phone
Just get a burner to travel. Quit bringing your phones here.
Better yet, don’t go at all. Go to a country that’s still a democracy.
I refused to travel to the US in the last Trump administration. I’m certainly not going to do it in this one.
imagine going on holiday in a country where they check your phone for memes
seeing the grand canyon seems cool but it can wait until that lunatic and his friends are gone
Keep in mind that TSA searching peoples’ phones was already policy under the last few administrations. Which is part of why I wasnt interested in traveling there even before the lunatic.
I’ve been avoiding travel to the US since the Patriot Act that followed 9/11 started that kind of shit and more in general the US started moving away from Democracy and into Autocracy.
Last time I felt like traveling to the North American continent I just went to Canada instead for a whole month - sea kayaking in British Columbia, hiking in the Canadian Rockies, sightseeing in Quebec . Highly recommended by the way.
That should be against privacy laws in some countries and considering you can sue people from outside the US into the US court because of US rules it would make sense to have it the same with that human rights form one country exist in other countries. Sadly the world isn’t built ontop of logic.
that’s crazy honestly
I thought this was the onion but its real… :)
It seems the mentality of the United States rulership have shifted back to the dark ages.
I wonder if accusing people of being witches is next.
accusing people of being ILLEGAL
uhhh this is the new witch hunt buddy, except the townsfolk aren’t in the mob.
“Land of the free”
“Freedom” just means “thing the fascist US government supports” when they say it. Fascists always co-opt the names of popular concepts and use them to try to legitimize themselves. “Wrapped in the American flag and carrying a cross.”
I wonder if accusing people of being witches is next.
wouldn’t be surprised
Absolutely!
I have family in the US. Uncles and aunts and cousins. One of my cousins have a child who I’ve never met. I would love to meet them all.
But there is no way I’m going to the states in the current condition. And even if the administration would be replaced, I think it would take years for the states to recover to the point where I would visit.
If they want to see you, they’ll have to come to you.
not reading that. lemmy devs, please get on blocking “news” sources in the vein of sun, nypost, etc.
edit: I don’t mean the mods should ban domains. I want the option to not show submissions from certain domains, like the ones I mentioned, as there’s zero chance I’d ever read anything from them. a buncha reddit (and lemmy) clients have that option.
You mean implementing a functionality with which users can block posts from certain URLs to show up on their feeds?
boost for reddit (and lemmy) has the option to ignore posts from certain domains. since I have no intention ever reading anything from the domains I mentioned, I’d appreciate it in the web version.
That’s not something the admins can do. Ask the devs for that.
Or educate yourself and learn to filter based on the source of the data. Doesn’t mean the reporting is not factual but it may be embellished to serve a narrative.
That’s why their comment above says “devs”, not “admins” lol
I would like whomever downvoted my comment to please take back that downvote, thanks.
Must have been edited. It did say admins before.
doesn’t look like it, there’s no ninja edits on lemmy afaik
Sure there are. If you are on the web client, there’s a three-dot-button below your comment. Press that and a popup opens up, where you can select “Edit” and there you go: ninja edit.
So according to my quick test here, my ninja edit registered as a regular edit. Not sure if this differs on different instances?
Lets teach that uneducated moron Vance the Streisand effect.
JD Vance meme
No, that’s just how he looks.
That’s when he consumed a couch
See - this is the thing with people going on about how its so oppressive in countries outside of “The West” where they will arrest people for insulting their king on Facebook or some shit.
We are no better. I’m not American but Britain does the same kind of shit. Read some declassified police case files, the cops pick on weird shit on people’s phones.
Read some declassified police case files, the cops pick on weird shit on people’s phones.
Care to link some?
And this is just for insulting the king’s jester.
I’ve been in Britain before, they didn’t check my phone
And even if, a meme about someone in the UK government would also not get you denied entry.
it would allow you entry
Most likely.
“It says here you are a terrorist, but on your phone there’s a really funny meme about Starmer, so I guess it’s all fine.”
States are states are states are states. They just fucking do that.
Yuup
The United States is such a shithole country lol
No one should travel there.
Um excuse me, who else can defend peace and freedom and democracy? They make all the best weapons!
Somebody invite the Trisolarans
Waiting for season 2
Pfff we’ll just sanction them into surrender. Works very well, right?
China makes some pretty good rail guns, im told.
All my plans involving the US have been canceled for the foreseeable future. Fuck that place and Russia too.
Same thing i asked the other guy who posted this.
Do you have a source that isn’t a tabloid? The only other sources i found were other tabloids.
I’m sure horrible shit is happening but tabloids aren’t news. They are meant to get an emotional reaction via mistruths and exaggeration. And you having a one day old account makes this even more suspect.
At the time (up until 18 hours ago), no.
All things considered, though, the tabloid actually did a decent job of reporting on the story and not sensationalizing it.
If the markers on my search engine are telling me the truth, after I posted this Raw Story picked it up 16 hours ago.
TIME picked it up 3 hours ago.
It was reported first by Nordlys, a local newspaper based in Tromsø, and then picked up by ofher Norwegian media. The story is most likely true.
Well the CPB claims it was for drug use, but I don’t trust them
Though it DOES indicate that there is more to the story than just tabloid bait
US is China now.
what are we, a bunch of asians?
I have never had my phone searched for memes (or at all, for that matter) when entering China.
Tankies should be ecstatic.
I had one say they preferred Trump to Hilary because “at least he is helping the USSR expand” so maybe
You gotta screenshot things like that.
Was worth digging through replies because I forgot about the username
Pretty sure “LeninsOvaries” is satire given such a username. Like “it’s not like trump would ever do anything to hurt Gazans” that’s got to be satire lol
Oh wow. Hahahaa
I swear to god, I forget how stupid people are sometimes.
And three people downvoted you. My man got receipts.
Tankies? They are looking for red kind of fascism, not fascist kind of fascism.
That’s what the Heritage Foundation says too!
China is no shithole
China has healthcare.
China also has horrific human rights abuse and rampant organ farming/trafficking.
You are thinking of the Only Democracy in the Middle East™️
Israel harvested organs in ’90s without consent
Israel ‘stealing organs’ from bodies in Gaza, alleges human rights group
So it’s the same, but they have healthcare.
Not if you’re a Uyghur
Uh huh, because there’s no genocide happening in or helped by America.
Whataboutism is not an argument. Also two things can be bad at once, this is not a zero sum game.
1: Whataboutism is a disputed fallacy specifically because dorks like you will screech about pointing out any form of hypocrisy even in discussions on comparative morality and ethics. It is in this manner its own form of thought terminating cliche.
2: What nation is this post about?
Not sure how that’s relevant, but I disagree.
So you’ve got two genocidal states, one has healthcare (that actually does apply to Uyghurs because it’s a cultural genocide/slavery thing not an extermination) and the other wants to start WW3.
Why is the first a shit hole comparable to America? They’re clearly different tiers of fascist states. Everyone not a fascist state>China>Shitholes like America
I’m glad you thoroughly understand the concept of “the lesser evil”
Organ harvesting doesn’t count as healthcare
That’s a paddlin’
Our leaders are NOT Snowflakes or Emotional!
Or else!
But, but Elon told me comedy was legal now!
Only if you’re punching down, obviously
This not only has been going on awhile, it’s worse than it sounds.
A French scientist was denied entry at the border earlier this year, in March, after officers unearthed messages criticising Trump on his phone.
Mikkelsen explained: “They threatened me with a minimum fine of $5,000 or five years in prison if I refused to provide the password to my phone.”
Any idea if these threats are actionable? He’s not a US citizen to just fine or imprison.
They have “deported” dozens of US citizens at this point. Usually, being a non-citizen makes you more vulnerable to arbitrary bullshit at the border, whereas if you’re a citizen you can stand up much more so for your rights if they’re trying to push you into something illegal, but as of this year it’s starting to matter less and less.
Everything is actionable once the rule of law collapses. At this point, if you’re crossing the border, you’re in danger of whatever they want to do to you.
i think this is a concept that a lot of people are having a hard time grasping: laws are meaningless if no one enforces them. this 100% applies both to laws meant to protect you, AND laws meant to punish those who are harming you
On the other hand his actions are not regulated by law or by any clearly formulated code of behaviour. In Oceania there is no law. Thoughts and actions which, when detected, mean certain death are not formally forbidden, and the endless purges, arrests, tortures, imprisonments, and vaporizations are not inflicted as punishment for crimes which have actually been committed, but are merely the wiping-out of persons who might perhaps commit a crime at some time in the future.
-1984
There’s neither even a rhyme nor reason to Trump’s fascism (or to fascism in general). But it does correlate with the observation that they are fantasists. They do things out of whim and emotions, disregarding expert advice and opinions. Any promulgation of fascism will eventually lead to its own downfall, because they live in a fantasy world where they believe that their will alone could shape reality; ignoring the basic common sense that reality could never be altered to one’s desires.
they are not legal, as the first amendment applies even to noncitizens. however that doesn’t mean they can’t deny entry for “any” reason. they are fascist after all.
It has been ruled by SCOTUS that the Constitution specifically does not apply at border entry to non-citizens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_ex_rel._Knauff_v._Shaughnessy
the Constitution does not grant aliens any protections when trying to enter the United States.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-3/ALDE_00001263/[‘article’, ‘14’]
an alien “on the threshold of initial entry stands on a different footing” because he or she is theoretically outside the United States and typically beyond the veil of constitutional protection.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/345/206/
Although a lawfully resident alien may not captiously be deprived of his constitutional rights [to due process], the alien in this case is an entrant alien or “assimilated to that status” for constitutional purposes.
The Attorney General therefore may exclude this alien without a hearing, as authorized by the emergency regulations promulgated pursuant to the Passport Act, and need not disclose the evidence upon which that determination rests.
Basically like firing you from work for discrimination isn’t legal, but firing you for performance is (your performance being anything they wish to come up with).
Depressingly, SCOTUS has ruled that you really don’t have the same rights at border crossings as you do once you’ve passed through.
This applies to citizens as well as foreign nationals.
You have even less rights at border crossings if you are not a citizen and have not technically entered the country through immigration yet… basically the Constitution does not even apply:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_ex_rel._Knauff_v._Shaughnessy
Once you’re in a country you are subject to that country’s laws, it’s a thing you need to be aware of when traveling. A lot of people find that out the hard way.
So yea, they are actionable if they want it to be.
It’s against American law.
How do you put someone in prison who has not entered your country yet?
And I thought it was already ruled that they can’t hold someone for that long just for not giving up a password at the border?
shouldve wrote it in french, instead of english. also whats a scientist still doing in the USA, they are usually fleeing the us.
Please be satire, please be satire…
reads
…Oh, fuck.
Sorry for the mediocre source, but it looks like it got its facts and translation right.
Oh, it’s real. It’s in other places as well.
