This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.
2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:
- Fascists and Nazis
- Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
- “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
- A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you
In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.
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If only this wonderful opinion were published someplace else than blogs.gnome.org and by someone who’s not a GNOME developer who are expected to lie by now.
X11 is not glorious past, it just makes sense.
Of course, when you freeze it in a certain state, only doing bug fixes, you can’t utilize its modularity and extensibility to fix problems that can be fixed in an alternative with actual development happening. But it appears the solution of finally making a fork has been found.
I welcome anyone to find fascism, nazism, conspiracy theories (if that’s about said freeze and refusal to break backwards compatibility in some things, then, well, that’s a fact visible for anyone on the web) here.
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
So for actual complaints they just say it’s trolling and put quotes. That’s not a valid response.
You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.
Maybe snowflake GNOME devs need that? I don’t use GNOME, so - won’t really feel the loss.
The link is broken, unfortunately
Alternative URLs have been posted in thread.
I will always be hated for this but fascism is necessary. It is the whip of the owning class. As long as you have capitalism, you have fascism.
In more detail if you wish:
Normal society: Person make chair, person sell chair, person eat
Thats the “natural” way of things.
Capitalism: Person make chair, person get tiny cut of chair because [mArKeTiNg cOsT, responsibility, land ownership and other bogus excuses], person eat less, capitalist eat more.
People dont really accept this because it is not natural or fair. Therefore you need a couple of things, depending on the stage of capitalism:
the carrot (you will have your own house! you will buy cool things! you can be rich!)
the veil (propaganda, telling you why it is the only thing that works, why you just need to comply, because compliance will be rewarded…)
the stick (a militarized police force that will shoot you if you dont comply)
As you can see, all western states are currently going down the “military disguised as police” route. Why do you think that is? It is because the capitalists want more yachts.
And after 100 years of propaganda, we actually believe there never has been a better system.
Have a great day.
On the one hand, the guy who wrote this blog post is kinda unhinged.
On the other hand, I’m kinda living for it and agree with his views.
So really it all evens out in the end.
There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here
So who took the blog post down at Gnome?
Article was taken down. Archive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20250624214542/https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/
X11 AND Wayland are for degenerates, a distraction at best but mostly just something that wastes CPU cycles and RAM.
THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!
THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!
The past and present are also terminal.
obviously the future is shoving the ethernet cable up your ass and dialing in directly
That would explain 70% of the shit you can find on the internet
The future is ARCAN!
Thank you for this new rabbit hole that thanks to my pathological curiosity for software on the far side of normalcy i now HAVE to explore and waste time i should spend working on a project 😜
Oh, your welcome. It’s a great rabbit hole. I remember venturing down it for the first time some years ago. I’ve since been able to build arcan from source and get pipeworld working on void linux. It’s not daily drivable yet, (not for me at least) but it works, and it’s cool as fuck.
Gotta say, his latest post, Sunsetting Cursed Terminal Emulation, really reminded me of some programming woes you can read from The Unix Haters’ Handbook.
terminal emulators aren’t leaky abstractions, they’re quite literally the abstraction being leaked :-D.
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YES! i would love it if arcan/durden/lash-cat9 got some mainstream traction.
Kermit or nothing
I have been known to use XMODEM over
screenover telnet for file transfer.
I do think ditching X11 is still slightly premature. For all its more modern features, there’s still a lot that Wayland either hasn’t implemented yet or “can’t do” because of its “security model.”
Can you name something that’s missing? Because I can’t think of anything relevant.
Sure, Autokey doesn’t work.
What’s autokey?
It’s roughly equivalent to AutoHotKey on Windows. It’s an application that can intercept key combos or even typed strings and…do basically anything. Let’s say you type a certain phrase a lot, you could come up with an abbreviation so that when you type an abbreviation it deletes the abbreviation and inserts the big thing you type. Or maybe you want it to fire when you press ALT+ y. Or, maybe you want it to do something programmatic, like insert the date and time. Or do anything you can get Python to do.
This apparently does not work on Wayland systems, something about the way it accessed keystrokes in X11 isn’t open in Wayland for security concerns.
Honestly that sounds like a security nightmare and its probably a good thing that doesn’t work anymore.
I don’t know autokey, so I can’t speak to whether they replace all its functionality but there are ‘xdotool-like’ programs for Wayland. So it is at least very possible to replace functionality like the latter you mentioned (press button/button combination -> do an action, like inserting date/start a program/do something programmatic). Some examples I know are:
ydotool is a perfect replacement for dmenu based password managers.
I"ve been experimenting with both Cosmos and XFCE Wayland.
Color pickers, screenshot, and window recording/streaming all don’t seem to work or require Wayland-only packages that are extremely primitive in features and use.
Alt+tabbing out of games, whether fullscreen or windowed, also doesn’t seem to work.
Wallpapers and cursors installed to the standard location where the distro installs all of them don’t seem to be usable. I have to manually copy them to somewhere in the home directory in order to use them.
Screensavers seem to be unusable except for one port of xscreensavers.
I know OpenSUSE plans to eliminate x11, so I’m trying to get used to Wayland, but I do hope it’s more developed before I have to use it full time.
So the only Wayland implementations you’ve tried are ones in Alpha or Beta?
Wayland is a lot more mature on Gnome or Plasma. I started using Wayland on Gnome in 2019, and aside from when I briefly tested with an Nvidia card, the only issue I’ve ever had was screen sharing on discord, which was an app developer issue not a Wayland issue.
tbf, aren’t both of those still in early stages? I don’t think I’ve had any issues with those on KDE wayland
Do we have a widely adopted aolution yet for screensharing, global shortcuts, and window position restoration?
Screen sharing under gnome and KDE just works. Even in sway that’s solved for quite a while now. I would call that widely adopted. I haven’t encountered the other two as problems yet. Global shortcuts work in my sway session. I would expect nothing else from gnome and KDE. Window position restoration is also a standard feature in sway AFAIK. Not sure if gnome or KDE do it.
Looks like I have been an early adopter of Gay™️
Archive link to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/20250624214542/https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/06/23/the-fascist-maggots/
Once on internet, forever on internet :) Thanks.
There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.
NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯
Nazis AND Devs should fuck of?
No. Nazis should fuck off.
Devs should just fuck.
Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.
Bro aimed at his foot
Wayland is gay?! I need to get off my ass and finally switch then!
Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.
X11 is on/under your ass?
Maybe they were both gay all along, that’s why we enjoy their sessions so much.… Does this imply that Wayland has a penis?
Asking… For science, or something, I dunno what is going on.
given how wayland relies on extensions i’d imagine it’s a strap-on
Haha what the hell did I just read
This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being “anti-DEI” (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.
Sorry you’re getting harassed. I hope you can take solace in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.
It’s not like X11 will disappear immediately after that. People who need it just have to switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷
It’s really not a big deal.
From my experience, I guesstimate X11 will be around for another 20 years after that and maybe some hillbilly will even make a Gnome fork that still supports X11. Then there will be X12 one day 😆
Wait, does that mean xmonad will get to live a tiny bit longer?
Wayland is basically X12 in many ways
switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷
I think that’s easier for us to say, who actually do use something cooler. But for those whose workflow is messed up by this, I understand why they’re upset. But yeah, it’s time to move into the future, for real. High time.
You’d think they would be used to it since every update ruins their workflow too.
What? The last major change to the gnome workflow was going from vertical to horizontal workspaces, and that was several years ago.
going from vertical to horizontal workspaces
Do you mean vice versa? Or did they go back to horizontal again? 😅
They were vertical during all of Gnome 3, then changed to horizontal.
Oh wow, so they did. I have missed that 😅 I’ve been using i3 for like the last 10–15 years. Gnome being back to horizontal workspaces again like in GNOME 2 is wild to me. It’s a great change!
Mostly just trash talking how so much basic functionality is in add-ons that break frequently with updates.
You can disable version checking and have them run if you want to, although that’s probably not advisable.
