The Supreme Court has rejected an emergency appeal from Nevada’s Green Party seeking to include presidential candidate Jill Stein on the ballot in the battleground state.
The court’s order Friday, without any noted dissents, allows ballot preparation and printing to proceed in Nevada without Stein and other Green Party candidates included.
The outcome is a victory for Democrats who had challenged the Greens’ inclusion on the ballot in a state with a history of extremely close statewide races. In 2020, President Joe Biden outpaced former President Donald Trump by fewer than 35,000 votes in the state.
Womp womp
Again… I might just go back too being a Dem. I tried 3rd party but, this stuff keeps happing. I like the ideals just no was too do it from a third party way for the time being. Gotta change from with in I guess.
Not from within, from underneath. You effect change at the lower levels. Political change comes from the ground up. That’s why Jill Stein is so frustrating cuz she takes all the money and attention that could be spent somewhere useful and instead spends it on a boondoggle for her own personal gain.
This. The Brits have a first past the post system. Greens now are winning mayorships and parliament seats and making deals with labor not to split the vote in their favor because they have been building local support for decades.
They are a force in their districts, so they get elected to office in their districts. Do that to a few dozen districts and you can meaningfully affect the balance of power in Westminster. Then you start getting into coalitions and supplying ministers.
You can’t just wake up once every four years and hope to be anything but a spoiler candidate.
The two party system is incredibly frustrating. There is also a feeling of helplessness because the path to change is unclear. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans truly want more competition
It’s not a question of wanting competition or not. Political parties by nature will attempt to get as strong a coalition as they can, until they reach a size large enough that bisecting the party still leaves one half in power and some internal disagreememt triggers the split.
Fringe parties in America, like the Green and Libertarian parties, arent oppressed by some conspiracy between Rs and Ds. Rather, they are left at the fringe because they do not have any power worth pledging to, for the simple fact that in the american single-rep plurality-wins system tbere is no prize for second place.
Voters who like the current office holder work to keep them in power and those who do not work with the opposition to remove the incumbent from power. Anyone not joining one of these sides serves only as a tool for one side against the other, since anything but a vote for the runner up is an effective endorsrment of the eventual winner.
The American system is imperfect and could be a lot better, but fringe parties and vanity campaigns do nothing to actually encourage systemic change.
The thing about change, if you’re only looking at it from a big picture and not a large time period, it might look static. But there’s lots of changes.
What you have to do is be local with your change. Obama was a community organizer and it’s often talked about as as something that has had such an impact, it’s changed everything.
All politics are local.
Stein will always fail because she’s always attempting to create the changes from top down. The USA will never work like that.
Same time next Presidential election, Jill?
I mean she could use the time between to build local support for the Green Party in lots of places. I guess that isn’t what she’s after.
And God forbid they spend any money on local elections where they can affect things like I don’t know actual green party issues.
The Winter Candidate.
That looks like a weapon.
More’s the pity, she can’t run for president of Russia either.
Why can’t these candidates file proper forms? What the hell is so difficult about that?
There are a miniscule number of presidential candidates running in a given year, so I assume that the UX on the process isn’t very optimized.
but she’s done this like 3 times already.
@DrunkEngineer explained it.
Putin is gonna be so pissed at her
The petition forms were faulty. Be nice if we were told what was wrong with them
Nevada uses two forms for gathering signatures, one for candidates and another for ballot initiatives. The Secretary of State gave the Green Party the wrong form. The forms are basically identical.
It is not the first time Democrats has used dubious methods to deprive Green Party ballot access.
If you think Democrats are bad, you should see hostile foreign entities. If you can’t do your bureaucratic due diligence to double check election forms, you are absolutely not qualified to lead an entire country.
The Green party was represented at the Supreme Court by Jay Sekulow, a Trump ally who was part of the president’s legal team during his first impeachment trial.
Yeah sure, it’s the Democrats who are being dubious here…
And that is followed by
Across the country, a network of Republican political operatives, lawyers and their allies is trying to shape November’s election in ways that favor Trump. Their goal is to prop up third-party candidates, including Stein and Cornel West who offer liberal voters an alternative that could siphon away support from Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.
Not Democratic party malfeasance.
It is - the wrong forms were disbursed and then rejected while all the actual requirements were fulfilled.
This is clearly anti-democratic and unlikely to have any actual effect on the election outside making Democrats look bad.
This is clearly anti-democratic and unlikely to have any actual effect on the election outside making Democrats look bad.
No. If it reflects negatively on anyone it would be the Nevada and US courts, the Nevada official who handed out the paperwork, and of course the Stein operation for not catching it. The last two have the capacity to catch this. Not the Democratic party.
Democrats has used dubious methods
you misspelled ‘Green Party incompetence and/or procrastination’
The outcome is a victory for Democrats who had challenged the Greens’ inclusion on the ballot
Seems as fishy as Stein’s intentions.
The outcome would either be a victory for the Democrats or a victory for the Republicans. So what part is fishy?
On top of that, Nevada’s governor is a Republican.
Nah, keeping Stein on the ballot (for this reason) would be a win for our democracy. If there’s a credible case to formally accuse her of being a Russian asset and bar her from participation on those grounds I’m happy to see it go through. This is just arbitrary and authoritarian. I’m not okay with embracing authoritarianism to overcome fascism - there are better tools to beat Trump.
If there’s a credible case to formally accuse her of being a Russian asset
Yea, I’m familiar with the photo - that’s why I mentioned a case to formally bar her above. That photo could lead to an absolutely valid prohibition on participating in elections - so let’s go that route instead of bureaucratic bullshit.
The Secretary of State gave the Green Party the Green Party the wrong form
LMFAO at trying to blame a secretary of state for a very old and experienced political party using the wrong damn form
So the party that wants to have the responsibility of running the most powerful nation in the world didn’t double check the title of the paperwork they submitted?
This isn’t a normal person getting the wrong tax form in the mail and not noticing it. This is an entire party with nationwide offices and tons of people supporting it failing to recognize they were filling out the wrong form.
The more important question is, “when did they submit the paperwork and when were they notified that the paperwork was incorrect?” If the gap is really small, then they should have filed sooner. If the gap was really long, then maybe there was some fuckery going on.
EDIT - That said, I still hate when minor technicalities thwart important things.
They didn’t file the correct paperwork. They are not a victim here. They are ducking adults representing a ducking national party. You check the forms and make sure they are correct before you file them.
This is not hard. Every adult does it multiple times every year for all sorts of reasons. It’s a basic citizenship skill.
The fact that you can mess this up AND REFUSE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT like a ducking toddler makes it very clear they are not a serious political party.
You’re an adult you can fucking swear.
They were given the wrong forms when they requested the correct ones - the two forms are nearly indistinguishable and neither the issuer nor collector noticed the mistake at the time.
This was a really minor bureaucratic screw up and denying the green party a place on the ballot because of the mistake is just a bad look.
Every legal form has a form number. Anyone practicing law should know what number they require and verify if it’s incorrect. Her legal team shit the bed
Good thing we don’t expect a president and their staff to be able to pay attention to detail.
Given the news currently brewing in Georgia we can expect some similar bureaucratic bullshit to be used against the Harris campaign - it’ll be bullshit just like this is bullshit.
You know these people have lawyers, right? It’s literally a lawyer’s job to go over these documents with a fine-toothed comb specifically due to these sort of things.
I don’t think running for elected office should require a team of high paid lawyers - president in our current system is unrealistic for any person off the street but part of the reason we have AOC today is because the election registration process is accessible to people who have limited resources but a lot of enthusiasm.
Forms like this shouldn’t require the fine toothed comb.
Yes. The GP said all of that. The thing is, none of it matters. It’s the responsibility of the submitter to submit the correct forms. It’s bureaucracy 101.
Also, of course the forms are similar. They are from the same agency for a similar purpose. But details matter in this business.
I’m glad she’s not on the ballot. But I don’t like these bad faith technicalities. Although I do put 90% of the blame on the enforcers.
We just had a ballot initiative in Arkansas fall off because they were told the wrong thing by officials. And even then, they did all the things they were supposed to do (similar to this situation).
I kind of wish ap would include things like this:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/092024zr_h3cj.pdf
In this case it’s almost nothing, but sometimes it’s nice to have for the longer documents. I’d also like a link to the original decision they were appealing.
More good news on a Friday.
