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    “Kraft Heinz” lobbies the FDA to redefine “synthetic dye” by 2027.

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      See also: organic farming. We define what’s allowed to charge you extra. Is it less awful? Maybe! Is it more expensive? Definitely!

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        I agree, not all natural products are innocuous but still isn’t the point that organic IS less awful? I’m thinking especially regarding biodiversity and conditions in which the animals live (at least in France, it is the label with the strictest standards for animal “welfare”). I get that it’s not perfect but I don’t think we should wait to have the perfect system to get rid of some of the absolutely shitty parts in the current system.

        Is it more expensive? To the customer yes. For real, once you include environmental benefits, health costs from cancers etc and take into account the fact that organic farmers usually receive zero help from governments (I’m considering the french case here), you realise that the price gap is not as big as you think and that a major part of it is because pesticides have made agriculture unnaturally “cheap” (i.e. with a lot of invisible costs).

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        Same with coca-cola, back when I used to drink that crap. If I try now, it’s that rancid buttery/greasy after taste that lingers for 20 minutes.

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          I remember when I graduated and went to New York for an internship. I went to the fridge and took a big swig of Coke and was like, whats going on with my teeth and mouth? It feels weird.

          Then a few people told me and I was like, why’s Coke so popular in the US if it tastes like this? How come this Mexican Coke everyone is talking about isn’t more popular?

          I gave up sugary soft drinks for the most part now. I do have it occasionally but it’s like once a week or two weeks at most.

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    I don’t mind removing dyes but I hope they don’t add any back in. Natural dyes can cause allergic reactions too or make vegan foods non-vegan (i.e. dyes from animal sources).

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      In reality, synthetic dyes are likely nowhere near as much of a health risk as the sugars and salts in these products anyway. But anything that can be done to incrementally improve the healthiness of product, it’s still progress. And at least people can read the label and make informed decisions about the nutritional value of the salt, fat, sugar, etc. in their food. But the actual risks of other ingredients, like dyes, preservatives, and artificial sweeteners, are far less apparent to the typical shopper, even if they are largely minimal in risks, if the actual risks are even known in the first place, that is.

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      That dye has never stopped being used, you know. You have almost certainly been eating food with this dye for your entire life. You likely have products in your home with this dye in it right now. Red candies, red velvet cake, red drinks, strawberry or raspberry yogurts, maraschino cherries, ice creams, some sausages or faux crab meat, too. It is a very common dye.

      When it became big news a few years back, the main problem was not that it is made from bugs. The problem was that it was being used in ostensibly vegan products, making it not actually vegan. The big target at the time was Starbucks for their pink drink (I believe). But most companies didnt ever change anything.

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      They likely have to find or develop replacements. People can be very picky about the looks of their food.

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      Honest answer is probably that they intend to replace those dyes because people won’t buy the products if they don’t look appealing, and the food science, testing, sourcing, manufacturing changes and regulations all take some time. Sure, it might have been better to start years ago, but the 2nd best time to plant a tree is today.

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      Probably three reasons:

      1. They have a lot of synthetic dyes on hand that they do not wish to waste.
      2. They have to secure and arrange new reliable supply chains for the natural dyes and probably arrange new processes for storing and using the dyes as they will not be 1:1 with the synthetics.
      3. They may want to transition slowly, maybe product testing in specific areas to see how consumers react to the new look, taste (because natural dyes usually affect that), and labeling, and adjusting accordingly before rolling out to the whole counry/world.
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      This is anecdotal, but a sibling of mine had a friend in school who had allergy(?) issues and couldn’t eat most ketchup brands, but heintz was apparently reliably fine due to the simple recipe, including lack of synthetic dyes. I never did my own digging, but if their goal is having that niche of quality natural products, it might not cost them much (if at all) but help maintain a reputation.

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      Must be found to be unhealthy like other synthetic dyes we’ve started to ban.