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The fact that this guy posts this on X with a paid-for blue checkmark tells you everything about why Trump won and why he’ll keep winning. The left has made almost no effort to win the information space. They just lose and then celebrate when some of the harm falls back on MAGA.
How about his for a change: Win. Try to win. Stop kowtowing to right wing information propaganda spaces that stifle the left like X, Fox News, and Rogan. Fight them like the right fights the left in the information space. True, you won’t get to celebrate when your neighbor suffers from Trump, but it’ll be because he didn’t vote Trump in the first place.
I saw the “Dems are the Uvalde cops Magas are the shooters.” And goddamn it salpped ever since. You guys need to get a real 3rd party that is real grassroots socialist.
I’ve been watching people go on and on about a Socialist revolution since I read about Gene Debs in high school.
I haven’t seen them actually do anything yet.
Easy to say, hard to do.
Need to finish that Elden Ring dlc first.
that would be me. sucks im too poor to run a campaign though lmao.
This is a liberal account, he’s not a leftist. Leftists have been in the streets, while liberals remain in the tweets.
Nice rhyme, might steal it
I don’t believe in intellectual property, so you can’t. It’s yours as much as mine.
put that on a bumper sticker
You expect a “both sides” maga to know that? Seeing all these “it’s the dem’s fault for not telling us how shit trump would treat us” folks is crazy. Everyone want to blame the dems for the lepords.
The democrats ran the same candidate against Trump and lost two out of the three times they tried. Do you happen to know the definition of insanity?
everyone in the country should be liberal. but it seems most just ignore the term and definition behind it though and just assume only left/democrats want to have freedom
There must be dozens of them.
This fuckin slaps
Thanks, I literally thought it up when I typed “in the streets”.
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Remind me again, are the democrats currently in power?
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Right, those are the same democrats actively helping Trump. Hey, good job on those performative sit downs in congress, you guys are really fighting the good fight! I’ve always said that nothing beats fascism like a not-too-strongly worded letter. At the rate things are going, it practically doesn’t matter that you ushered in a red wave and lost the House, Senate, Presidency, and Supreme Court, and probably destroyed democracy.
Now run along back to brunch before the wine is gone!
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I bet his flag is down just for selling purposes. He probably blames Joe Biden.
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sad stuff… people voting against their interests
They vote as they do because they’re so impressionable. It’s also why there’s a huge overlap of religious nutjobs and Republicans.
They vote as they do because they’re so impressionable.
Yup.
But I have zero sympathy for them because this isn’t the olden days where someone had to travel to a library or enroll in a university and move away from home to gain access to knowledge. It’s all there at their fingertips. They just have to be responsible enough to plug in to reasonable sources. And they aren’t. They allow hate and fear to guide their decisions.
It’s 2025. There’s zero excuses to be ignorant now. So they can suffer and I’ll feel nothing for them.
How the fuck did democrats go from the party that hates misinformation to the party that believes implausible posts on a platform known to be full nonsense because it fits a cute narrative?
Ah, the classic anything I don’t agree with is fake news.
- On Twitter, the site known for random misinformation
- OP knows their neighbor well enough to know where they work, despite that not being nearly as common these days and OP not seeming like the kind of guy that would befriend Trump supporters
- OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
- OP’s neighbor simultaneously being a homeowner with a previously-stable job, but being in such dire financial straits that simply missing two paychecks results in a complete crashout.
- OP’s neighbor then selling the house instead of taking advantage of the large number of hardship programs that would be available for someone with issues paying their mortgage, at least temporarily.
Like is this possible? Yes. However it’s highly implausible, and conveniently matches the whole “stupid Drunpf supporters regret their decision” narrative that both Lemmy and reddit absolutely adore. To take this at any sort of face value without any genuine shred of concrete evidence is insane.
OP’s neighbor is one of the minority of federal workers who are probationary employees, because that’s the only group Elon has been able to really fire right now
This part isn’t true. At this point, probably over half of the fired workers were permanent, from agencies that are closing or are implementing RIFs. Most are still drawing paychecks, but budgeting does (and should) change once someone is informed that they’ll be out of a job in the next month or two.
For many agencies, these satellite offices often have monopsony power over workers of certain job skills. NOAA and the National Weather Service employ a lot of people who have job functions not really available from another employer, especially without moving. The same is true of NIH and CDC. HHS just announced the closure of several lawyer offices, and those specialists are going to have a bit of a rough time finding replacement jobs. USDA is a big organization, and have a ton of economists and scientists who would basically have to take a big pay cut if they’re laid off in this environment.
You’re downplaying just how devastating some of these job losses are, by ignoring that many of these people moved to these cities in reliance on the job stability they expected, and downplaying the number of people affected and the length of tenure these people have.
I don’t have a strong view of whether this story is literally true of this specific account’s neighbor. But I can tell you that versions of this story have happened to thousands already, and will happen to tens of thousands more.
In other words you don’t give a shit about facts so long as they fit your worldview.
Everyone is assuming he lost the house. Maybe he got a better job and is moving to a new and better house, closer to the new job
If OP’s neighbor got a promotion within the last 2 years he is a probationary employee.
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How did getting laid off during cutbacks go from commonplace to implausible? Are you taking the wrong meds?
Nobody is this stupid. You’re being intentionally dishonest.
USDA isn’t the private sector. There are strict rules against firing the vast majority of employees. It’s why Trump has largely gone after probationary employees, as they have less protections. Even that has been wrapped up in several different ongoing court cases.
There are also mortgage forbearance programs designed for temporary job loss. Even without them, foreclosure is a lengthy process. It’s not something that’s initiated after one missed payment.
So for this story to be true:
- OP, a progressive Twitter influencer, lives next to a hardcore MAGA republican. Unlikely, but relatively common
- Said MAGA republican is also a federal government employee. More unlikely, but still relatively common
- Said federal government employee is among the roughly 10 percent of government workers that are probationary. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being new to federal employment and federal employment known for someone that you do for the long haul for pension reasons, OP’s neighbor has the money to buy a house. Relatively rare, but not unheard of
- Despite having the finances for a home, is in such dire straits that the only option after one missed paycheck is to sell their home. Very rare, but not unheard of
- Despite being very into politics and a government employee, is wholly unaware of the pending legal actions against said firing, including the current rulings reversing the staffing cuts.
All of this is possible. The world is a strange place. However the confluence of all those things being true is highly improbable, perfectly matches the “dumb conservatives gonna regret their choice” narrative progressive influencers push, and is sourced from a platform known for being full of misinformation and bait.
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Nobody is this stupid. You’re being intentionally dishonest.
When you start out like that there’s no motivation for me to even read the rest of your comment. “Fuck you, now here’s my opinion” is never a good opener.
Great. Less time dealing with someone trying to bullshit me.
ask any millenial what all our parents were telling us until they got on facebook.
Because a bunch of dumbfucks voted for a guy that made it clear he was going to fire a bunch of federal employees and then he did so and a bunch of his voters lost their jobs.
So this really isn’t much of a stretch to believe. If this exact scenario didn’t happen, something close enough has happened to multiple people over the last 1.5 months, because that’s what happens when you abruptly lose your source of income and live paycheck to paycheck, like most Americans.
So anyways I started shit posting…
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Just because the Democrats are the most left leaning party available to Americans doesn’t make the democratic party a left leaning party. If anything the Democrats are centerists because their ultimate objective is to maintain the status quo. Lemmy reaches to far more countries that just the United States, places that have left leaning parties. Even left-wing extremists parties, although they’re definitely on the ropes lately.
The Democrats aren’t a progressive party, they’re a conservative party. It’s just with MAGA in the room the scale has moved so far to the right that the center (conservative) seems progressive.
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Good and screw the neo-Nazi who found the fuck out.
Trump was never on your side, now you’re finding out the hard way :|
oh they aint finding out
Please remember it is important to not gloat or “I told you so”. This person, for a reason of which does not matter, has decided to exit the cult. This person needs support and praise for their bravery. I don’t care if it is for a selfish reason… ultimately they made it out, their mind is free! That is cause for celebration.
Is there any evidence they decided to exit the cult? People will paint the walls beige when selling a house, and that doesn’t mean they don’t still like whatever red and green Christmas themed house they had to start with. Pulling down a flag while selling the house you can’t afford doesn’t actually mean you wouldn’t still vote for him.
Idk seems like that decision was made FOR him and not by him
A not-insignificant portion of Trump’s base will be in this boat, if they aren’t already. We should be ready with messaging to pull them out of the cult, so that they don’t fall back in.
Heres the problem. We kept the gloating and “I told you so” to a minimum after Trump round 1 and the Civil war.
Hammer it home. They need to know Every. Fucking. Minute. Of every. Fucking. Day. That the choices they made got them fired, took their job, and ruined their country. Almost everyone knew it was going to happen and warned them, and they just dug deeper with their knee-jerk “nuh-uh” fake news 3rd grade playground bully logic. They need to know beyond a doubt that they are stupid, short-sighted, easily manipulated bigots. Why? Because the only way they can change it and do better is if they fucking know it, believe it, and see that they need to change it.
I think the “I treat people like shit and expect them to change their view because of it” is harmful.
This is not how you change a mind. This is how to get sombody to double down on their bullshit who where ready to change their views.
Right, because telling people “they’re special and nice and it’s not their fault that the orange dictator is ruining the country” has historically never ever worked once.
You can point out the issue without being a dick to them.
Nobody has ever left the alt-right cult by being insulted and belittled, in fact that’s how they usually get recruited in the cult.
You know? Honestly, telling them they lost their job, house and country because they joined a political cult led by a spray-tanned \wish.com hitler wannabe, isn’t really the “being an asshole” thing that you think it is, and more along the lines of just telling them to truth to their faces.
Depends how you say it
It depends.
When the group hurts you through its own incompetence, you can land in hard times and still believe the ideals of that group. The ability for people to rationalize things is incredibly powerful.
Now let’s say that the trump supporter is ready to no longer support trump now that they’ve been personally victimized. Where they end up can be a massive spectrum. Cult followers tend to idolize and forge parasocial relationships with their cult leader.
You might think that you are seeing them reject trumpism and all it stands for, when in reality it’s much closer to someone feeling betrayed by someone they believed they had a close personal relationship with. Their rejection of the cult has nothing to do with what the cult believes, but comes from a reaction to a feeling of betrayal by the beloved cult figure.
In that case the fertile ground to win hearts and minds isn’t there. There are excellent case studies of this “embrace to change minds” strategy working.Daryl Davis converting 200 Ku klux klanmen is an inspiring story, and one that many point to to support the idea of embracing people instead of punishing them.
The problem is that this isn’t the same situation. Daryl Davis was willing to spend years talking with, and building relationships with people that actively hated him. He didn’t go to people who had a tiff with their local klan leader and tell them “it’s ok buddy, let’s be friends now, I forgive you.” Instead he put in a tremendous amount of effort to build relationships which made it impossible for these guys to continue to hold on to their bigoted beliefs
So what’s the danger in not treating these people like shit? Even if it were ineffective, isn’t it better to just be nice to them anyways? We have a contemporary example to draw from, reconstruction.
After the us civil war there was a difference of opinion much the same as the one we argue today. And we tried the gentler approach
As it became clear that the war would end in a Union victory, Congress debated the process for the readmission of the seceded states. Radicaland moderate Republicans disagreed over the nature of secession, the conditions for readmission, and the desirability of social reforms as a consequence of the Confederate defeat. Lincoln favored the “ten percent plan” and vetoed the radical Wade–Davis Bill, which proposed strict conditions for readmission.
Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865, just as fighting was drawing to a close. He was replaced by President Andrew Johnson. Johnson vetoed numerous Radical Republican bills, he pardoned thousands of Confederate leaders, and he allowed Southern states to pass draconian Black Codesthat restricted the rights of freedmen. His actions outraged many Northerners and stoked fears that the Southern elite would regain its political power. Radical Republican candidates swept to power in the 1866 midterm elections, gaining large majorities in both houses of Congress.
Many argue that the confederacy and its ideals never truly died. The light touch, left many holding regressive ideals in places of power. They had not given up their ideals, they just couldn’t be a part of the group anymore.
In most cases the argument is somewhat moot. The most likely scenario is that my relationship (and most peoples relationship) with some random trump supporter that gets kicked in the nuts by trump will be the same as before, no relationship at all. In the rare situation that this person is someone you do plan to forge a relationship with (either net new or reestablishing some previous relationship) I think it is neither wise to “treat them like shit” nor “let them off the hook”
Instead it should be a careful assessment of what they actually believe. Do they still blame immigrants and trans people for everything that’s wrong in their life but just don’t like that trump fired then, then they can kindly go fuck themselves. They haven’t learned any lesson, they just don’t like that they had something bad happen to them. Sure give them a chance, don’t immediately piss all over them, but if the only problem they have is that it finally directly impacted them, they are no ally.
If it’s a catalyst for true and lasting change, sure nurture that.
No, MAGAts revel in the misery they cause … thay love “owning the libs” and literally want nothing else in life. Nothing. They are fueled by an insane level of hatred and cruelty. It is all they understand. When you point and laugh at them for the “face eating” … they actually get it. MAGAts do not leave their cult, they just get displaced until the next cult that let’s them be hateful racists comes around.
But we can try
What do you think this community is for, exactly?
Sure, you’re right that it fits. I thought it was worth mentioning for when people encounter these types when offline. I too enjoy the schadenfreude, its why I am here.
Dudes a sucker. He’ll get roped back in right away.
I wonder if this has been substantiated in any way. If so, it would carry a great deal more meaning to everyone.
Either way, the whole DOGE experiment is nuts.
I wonder sometimes if it is self defeating to brow beat, say “I told you so”, or rub someone’s face in it. Enjoyable as it may be.
Some people only learn when something bad happens to them.
Perhaps in private, but not if you remind them.
Consider this. Your asshole detestable uncle loses his house. On the one hand you can text him and say you deserve what you get you piece of shit.
Or invite him over to watch a baseball game. Avoid politics. Quietly remind him not everyone is a piece of shit.
Which do you think will more likely change his mind? Or which one will he double down on, write it off as an accident, and go deeper down the hole. I took one for the team.
Both of those require interacting with people in real life, which I avoid because humans are the most dangerous animals on the planet
That’s the mosquito
Humans kill billions, maybe trillions, of other animals and millions of their own every year.
Mosquitos need to get on our level.
In terms of humans killed, mosquitoes have us 2 to 1:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_animals_to_humans
That statistic is specist
Crisises like this is the opening to recruit the hitherto reactionary proletariat. Opinions are most often fickle anyways amongst the poorly educated. But damn its hard to not to feel gleeful for the suffering of hatefull fools.
Schadenfreude for the wicked is something we all indulge in, but prolonging pain rather than soothing it breeds hatred. Some kind of fuel for the onlookers, but what happens when you unchain the dog you’ve been beating? Someone’s going to win. Perhaps your team because the ire is high. But sacrifices have to be made. Your kin may die. Is that an acceptable result? That’s up to you to decide.
You have to ridicule them a little in person: “What exactly were you expecting, did you think people were overreacting?”
The problem is you’re never going to be able to stop the internet from over indulging on mockery.
No you can’t change the internet’s mind, but how do people react to when ridiculed? How do you? I guess it all depends on what the end game is
It all depends on how thin your skin is.
Is “MAGAtard” okay to say on Lemmy without getting banned? It’s not a slur against mentally challenged people FFS, it’s a slur against MAGA. I think MAGAt is a poor substitute.
If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer. You can insult them without playing off of a slur for another group.
When I ask a question it’s because I don’t know the answer. I don’t pretend to have psychic powers like so many people on social media.
You’re part of the problem
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Wrong site brother
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Trust me bro.
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Loosing a job means no more mortgage payments, so that’s not too far fetched.
It makes sense if they were behind on their mortgage and would be forced to sell immediately or something
Normally most people would try to keep their home by looking for a new job. Not sure how it works in the US, but in my country it would also be fairly common to have mortgage insurance specifically in case you’re laid off, fired, or suffer an injury that causes you to be out of commission for long. I suspect it’s less common in the US if it’s even a thing. Is it a thing?
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They do if they have no savings and the payments are more than any income they are getting. It’s better to quickly sell before the fees start for non payment. There are also options to put your home on forbearance while it’s on the market so the homeowner could have done that immediately to prevent the house being repossessed.
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When you see moving to a smaller house is inevitable, it might not be worth it to delay for some additional months. Better preserve the savings so they last longer. When your economy goes south, better start more economical life right away.
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If you have a reason to believe you might be living off your savings for the next two years, you will want to maximize your savings. If you have paid enough of your house to buy the smaller and more remote one with cash, then that’s what you should do.
Maybe it’s real, maybe not, but it’s certainly plausible.
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So, basically we know it’s a falsehood because it’s plausible. Saying something plausible is precisely what a liar would do!
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No, I don’t.
Please elaborate.
I don’t understand why so many people are eager to (metaphorically) scream “FAKE!!!” at every story (that isn’t highly unlikely) told on the internet. Sure, maybe, but does it even matter? Odds are good something like this did happen somewhere.
odds are good something like this did happen somewhere
I heard very similar responses when conservatives were shown that Haitians were not eating dogs in Ohio.
Yes, and the difference is that facts show they are incorrect. False equivocation. “Man sells house after losing job” is not even remotely equal to “Haitians eat peoples’ pets.”
/r/nothingeverhappens
how can you be happy on someone’s failure… this is disguising.
No matter what, we have to remember always to be humans with each others
I don’t see a failure? This individual got exactly what they voted for.
being fired is a failure no matter who you voted for and he should’ve been helped by his neighbor to find a new job
Failure? This is consequence.
fair
Trump promised to cut federal spending (which includes federal jobs), and federal workers still voted for him anyway.
Why would I feel bad for someone who got exactly what they asked for?
Want to know what’s actually disgusting? The fact that that a 3rd of the country voted for the fat little orange rapist Nazi. You should be more upset over that.
when you put it like that it makes sense
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
There’s nothing wrong with a little schadenfreude for people who actively try to harm others…
that actually makes sense
I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. It’s kind of the whole point of this community
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The trump sign probably only came down so they could put it back up at whatever trailer park they move into. They’ll gladly vote for the next trump-aligned fascist. These people are incapable of learning.
Yup.
Been paying attention to American politics for 20 years now. Have watched Republican leadership fail so spectacularly that it even pissed off a bunch of conservative voters. Didn’t matter. Next dogshit Republican candidate that came along, they were back onboard.
Because conservatives would rather have an actual, literal dictator than a Democrat president. That’s how far gone they are. They will sell out their country and their own futures to prevent the other team from winning. Hell, they just did in November. Economy is tanking and our allies all hate us now. Doesn’t matter though. The Democrat was worse…somehow.
Yup. Realtor likely took it down because any political flag will devalue a house or turn away potential buyers.
Gonna be complaining DEI made him lose his job and Biden’s taxes made him lose his house
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
It just kinda proves to me that the story is most likely bullshit, or they were always planning to sell the house.
It’s kind of scary that 3 weeks is all it took for them to list their home.
The neighbor is part of the (in 2019) 51%.
“Most Working Americans Would Face Economic Hardship If They Missed More than One Paycheck”
And on top of that for most government workers their paychecks have been remarkably stable. Assuming you’ll always be employed plus easy credit and bad financial habits are a bad combination
Pretty much this. For many, up until basically right now, working in the federal government all but guaranteed employment for years. I tried very, very hard to be employed at my local NIOSH branch (sadly didn’t make the cut) because of this fact.
Man, that’s tragic. I was poor most of my early life, and when I finally started to make enough money to be comfortable, I knew that the thing I couldn’t do was fall into the lifestyle trap. Living well below my means saved me so much hardship when things weren’t going well. I know that many don’t ever get to the point of comfortable, though, and there’s a bit of luck and effort, to that.
I wish we could do that. Renting and buying houses today makes it incredibly difficult to live very far below your means.
Oh for sure. I had one good run with a company that went public. I leveraged that into long term investments rather than buying expensive stuff I didn’t need.
Bet he also had a $100k truck parked in front of that home. Bought with a loan with 12% interest
12% is pretty insane for an asset that depreciates as fast as a vehicle does.
My first car had a 23% interest rate on the loan. I had no credit history and was relying on people I thought knew enough about car buying with me to help me know if I was getting shafted. That dealership has remained on my do not buy list ever since, even after changing ownership due to the previous owners practices of fraud
It’s such a sham that the “truth in lending” laws still didn’t go far enough to simplify the Financials of loan interest.
Honestly the biggest problem was not that I wasn’t shown the interest rate, but that they carefully avoided any financial talk (I never actually saw the final price of the vehicle, only the monthly payment and only learned the exact details, including the several extra thousand dollars of extended service plans when I was going to refinance the loan at my bank) and carefully flipped through the paperwork to encourage jumping straight to signing without reading, even joking “oh no you don’t want to read that” at one stage
Every car I’ve bought since I’ve been extremely diligent to read through all of the paperwork before signing anything, and one of the times caught the permission to sell data for marketing purposes form which I declined (the salesperson seemed surprised when I spotted that one and said “oh that looks like one to decline”)
yeah that’s my point. the truth in lending laws don’t cover that level of obfuscation, so that monthly payment hides the actual burden in one small omission.
Because cars are status symbols and people are fucking stupid. So of course capitalists exploit these dumdums. There are even companies where you can rent-to-own tire rims. And of course those companies make hundreds of millions a year.
If their whole financial system is built on getting the next paycheck or else, this is quite to be expected. He might even be smart (for a magahead) putting it on the market as early as possible instead of clinging to it.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast. If he was renting, he might have been threatened with eviction and chose to leave.
Doesn’t seem likely unless he was renting. Even if you miss one mortgage payment, your bank can’t take your house that fast.
If it was posted for sale it likely wasn’t a foreclosure that fast. Perhaps the owner did the math and saw very quickly that they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the mortgage, or no longer had any reason to live in that city because they were there only for the job. With the job gone, the need of the house in that city goes with it. I’m just speculating.
Honestly might just be that, especially if they were working in DC proper.
Well if he was renting, his house being up for sale wouldn’t really matter.
