• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
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    38 minutes ago

    I’m in favor of abolishing it. This graphic doesn’t make it super clear but Daylight Saving Time gives millions of people more commutes in the dark per year than if we always used Standard Time. It’s a pretty significant difference.

  • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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    I really want them to just pick one and stop changing the clocks twice a year. it’s a huge headache and bad for people’s health.

    Also as someone else said, just using UTC and knowing that “here in NY, we typically work from 14:00 to 22:00” would also be fine with me.

  • HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
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    10 hours ago

    I prefer daylight savings all the time but actually I would go for utc and regions just get used to times being when they are and schedule around daylight.

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      That’s cool on paper but not in practice. If noon is at 12 then the solar day has to be symmetrical around that. But we don’t really spend our day symmetrically around noon. Like 6 pm is early enough that this can still do some major activities. But 6am is so early no one thinks “oh I’ll just get that major activity done before 6am”

      Another example is 10 hours after noon is getting late and a good time to end the day. 10 hours before noon is 2am. If you’re awake at 2am it’s not because you’re walking up.

      • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 hours ago

        That’s cool on paper but not in practice.

        You understand that these are all conventions and the associations between what constitutes “late” and “early” are entirely arbitrary, right? Literally any system of naming time could work in practice. If we wanted, we could set the entire world at UTC0 and just get used to the fact that it’s noon at 6:00 in some places.

        The disadvantage of daylight savings time is not actually that the sun doesn’t line up to our expectation of the day, it’s that it causes confusion.

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          I think daylight savings time comes from a human need to have our day match the natural cycles of the sun (because we don’t want to fight our cicardian rhythm) and to have consistent schedules and routines through the year.

          I hate it though, I agree it’s pretty arbitrary and we can do better.

  • Mango@lemmy.world
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    15 hours ago

    So this chart doesn’t measure sunlight levels through the day, but whatever the maker has decided which color corresponds to “reasonable” based on arbitrary numbers… Who the fuck cares about which numbers are assigned to which parts of the day!!!

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      12 hours ago

      So this chart doesn’t measure sunlight levels through the day

      What do you mean by “sunlight levels”?

      Depending how north or south you are is how much much total light you are going to get. Shifting an hour does not add or subtract total sunlight time.

      The whole point of daylight savings time is to get the “arbitrary numbers” to line up to a daily schedule.

      This chart shows you how well the three systems would achieve getting you those “arbitrary” times.

      If the sun rose at 4 am and set at 1:30 pm. Sure, you could plan your whole day differently around that. Wake up at 4am instead of 7am. Go to bed at 8pm instead of 11pm. Work at 6 am instead of 9am, get off at 2pm instead of 5pm.

      Yes they are “arbitrary” but humans are not computers. Having to go to bed at 8pm to wake up at 4am is different in our minds than going to bed at 11pm and getting up at 7am. Still 8 hours of sleep but it is perceived quite differently.

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          14 hours ago

          Because it’s easier to change the time than to change business and school hours.

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            11 hours ago

            … What? None of that would change if we didn’t fuck up our clocks twice a year

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              I think there’s a misunderstanding here. The point is that we move our clocks forward one more time in spring for Daylight Savings Time, and then we never change them again.

              The difference between “ending” DST and making DST permanent is either keeping 4:30pm sunsets in winter or having the mornings be dark in the winter. Both are ways we stop changing our clocks.

              Personally, I prefer the later sunset.

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    Forced year-round pretending we’re an hour ahead means more kids will have to walk to school in the dark, sharing streets with sleep-deprived drivers who are also up before their bodies say they should be. That’s gonna kill people.

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      11 hours ago

      Didn’t you hear? It’s now a crime to have your kids walk by themselves. Just ask the bastions of freedom that are Georgia and Texas.

      (That those events happened is obviously dumb.)

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      13 hours ago

      There is also a study that found a correlation between changing the clock to heart attacks incidents rising, suggesting that it might be caused by the clock change which triggers stress and sleep deprivation which triggers a heart attack

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        12 hours ago

        Yep, which leads us to the natural conclusion that noon on the clock should roughly equate to solar noon, year round.

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          That would mean ~360 timezones globally. More if you didn’t simplify to a single degree.

          Coordinating is enough of a pain across timezones without having to worry (much) about minutes.

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          9 hours ago

          The Romans’ did that as a naturally consequence of using sun dials for timekeeping. Hours were also shorter during winter. I think that would be a nice system to have.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    Set all clocks to UTC military time and calendars to YYYY.MM.DD. Date change happens on UTC.

    “My work hours are from 1400 to 2200 until 2024.12.21 at which time I will be available from 1200 until 2000. I will be on vacation from 2024.12.24 until 2025.01.07”.

    EDIT: I do think that the colon helps readability, so 24hr might be a better choice than military (14:00 to 22:00).

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      This is by far the more important aspect

      Humans are routine oriented creatures, introducing an arbitrary hour deficit in sleep once a year has measurable and fairly profound effects on physical and mental health. Sure, it can be planned for, but circadian rhythms are hard to mess with for a lot of people and going to bed an hour earlier isn’t always an option

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    We have the technology available to completely localize time. Solar noon could always be noon for everybody. If you want to schedule a meeting with somebody on the same system, only the longitude of the time is needed to convert.

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    Spring forward and leave it there. In the fall it currently gets dark at 5 pm. It’s depressing to get off work and not have any daylight to enjoy and run errands. It’s also dangerous because tired drivers are coming home in a dark rush hour.

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      Word. I couldn’t care less whether the sun rises while I’m on the bus to work or while I’m getting my first coffee at work. Have to wake up in the dark either way. But whether or not i get that one hour of daylight after work makes a world of a difference in my mental health.

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        11 hours ago

        I work a dead end job with mediocre pay and no benefits but i will never leave because i get in when i get in and leave when i leave. Not having an insane focus on time makes this the best job I’ve ever had.

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      or maybe just go back to being done with work before sunset regardless of what time that was like our ancestors did for millions of years

    • Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
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      So, now the tired drivers are driving to work in the dark. I don’t see any solution making a real difference. There’s less day in the winter. Any solution at all will piss off 3/4s of the population.

      • theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works
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        There’s usually 8 hours of sunlight during the day on the shortest day of the year, a bit more or less depending on latitude, but not by a lot. Make those 8 hours 9-5. Congrats, you’ve solved the problem, the average day will have a bit to a lot of light before and after the standard work day.

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      Regular time is shown to be healthier so no, don’t spring forward and leave it there.