• Flamekebab@piefed.social
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    17 days ago

    This is one of many reasons that I want the US to stop being respected internationally. Their culture has some horrible issues that they don’t need to spread around. We’ve got plenty of home-grown awfulness, thanks all the same.

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      17 days ago

      Unfortunately it requires our government to take a strong position. To actually stand up publicly and tell the people of the UK. We will not tollerarate this return to the fascist playback used before ww2.

      Without that librarians and soon store keepers etc will constantly face the threats and attacks of extremists groups. Claiming the same anti DEI and equality shit happening in doge.

      Much like anti abortion protesters try to intimidated those that disagree with them protesting clinics etc.

      That is exactly what is being attempted here. Racism prejudice and fear for the future is being weaponised by the right. If our gov dose not stand up to the actions now. The attempts in the US to override the legal system etc will follow. Reform or a reunigghting of the people who support it will turn into a trump like administration.

      We saw the start of this when Boris tried to shut down parliment illegally. The attacks on the echr are the UK equiv of the claim we saw leading up to trump 1. IE the supreme Court has become political. Gaining the power to take control. Our right is doing the same by trying to eject us from the courts mandate.

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    17 days ago

    Just as they say they do not want Sharia law in the UK, we should not support the spread of other extremist religious laws

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      17 days ago

      Agreed.

      But the issue is with both the words extremists and religious. No extremists thinks they are. Heck I can assure you most think our rejection is extream. And religiose people rarely admit their restrictions are religion. Even when using the Bible to justify shit. They will argue it is science or common sense.

      Their is a need to term unacceptable laws in a way that forces them to openly argue their restrictions do not apply. Or actually are religious extremism. The latter is close to impossible.

      Be honest with ourselves. I agree trans equality laws should exist. But only 20 or 30 years ago society as a majority society considered them extream. Some off us remember it even if we disagreed.

      Gay marriage was def extream when I was in my teens. Gary rights at all in my parents teens. (They also disagreed)

      And a very small % of any of those considered their religious ideals as a significant element.

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        17 days ago

        My god man, what the fuck is wrong with your grammar?

        Agreed.

        But the issue is with both of the words extremists and religious. No extremists extremist thinks that they are one . Heck , heck, I can assure you that most think that our rejection of religion is extream extreme.

        And religiose religious people rarely admit their restrictions are come from religion.

        Even when using the Bible to justify shit, They they will argue it is actually science or common sense.

        Their There is a need to term unacceptable laws as unacceptable in a way that forces them to openly argue that their restrictions do not apply or that they are actually a form of religious extremism.

        (what does this sentence mean?)

        Or actually are religious extremism. The latter is close to impossible.

        Let’s Be honest with ourselves ., I agree that trans equality laws should exist . , but only 20 or to 30 years ago the majority of society as a majority society considered them to be extream extreme. Some off of us remember it even if we disagreed with that framing at the time.

        Gay marriage was def extream extreme when I was in my teens . , Gary and in my parents’ teens - gay rights at all in general were considered extreme in my parents teens , something which they did not agree with. (They also disagreed.)

        And a very small % of any of those opposed to these things considered their religious ideals as a significant element in their opposition.

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          You’ve got some balling to do, Lain.

          “of” is only allowed when followed by a determiner or pronoun; it is required in the latter case, and even though “the” is a determiner, I would omit “of” here and would only add it if it was just “both of the words.” full stop. You can omit the “one” if you want to if it is obvious and you’re lazy/artistic; this is called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics). (I would also change the first “extremists” to “extremist” to maintain parallel structure as adjectives; not that it’s not grammatical to use two objects of different parts of speech.) No need to combine the “heck” sentence into the preceding one; in fact the combination’s a run-on. It should be separate sentences.

          Having subordinate clauses—those that begin with subordinating conjunctions like “even when”—stand alone is common in transcribing speech. Your edit makes it seem less impassioned, less angry. (Though it would’ve been a good edit if it was not immediately repeated one or two sentences later, “actually” is not a grammar issue.)

          This changes the meaning. The original sentence didn’t necessarily say we should term “laws” using the term “unacceptable”. It said we should find wording/rhetoric/a term for laws that are unacceptable so that we may get people to speak out.

          “Or actually are religious extremism” uses “are” in one of its modern senses: embody. The sentence means “Or that restrictions from unacceptable laws embody religious extremism.” Though this sentence is grammatically correct, I agree that I would’ve changed that sentence to be more clear, like “Or actually are religiously extremist.” Since “or” is a coordinating conjunction, my statement above about subordinate clauses also applies to this coordinate clause. See also https://www.grammarly.com/blog/sentences/starting-a-sentence-with-a-conjunction .

          You do not need “Let’s” here; this is a normal imperative. The act of putting “that” after a verb before an embedded clause is completely optional and whether to keep the “that” is a matter of great debate; in formal writing, some say one should replace such "that"s with a comma, which is also grammatical. IMO omitting the “that” is better for the pacing and more powerful here. You changed the meaning in your edit of “20 or 30”: the original sentence emphasizes the recentness of this treatment and gave an approximate date as “20 or 30”. “20 to 30” has a very subtly different meaning that in the end has little difference, but again both are correct, and the original form with “or” emphasizes that this is an approximate guess. Finally, there’s no need for your new “with…” here; that meaning is implied and concision is often more powerful. In fact I’d argue this edit ruins the flow.

          This sentence does have serious grammatical errors but you missed the meaning of “at all”—which is quite a bit more extreme than “in general”—and the “also” part, which I would rectify by adding an “either” after “with”.

          “opposed to these things” is unnecessary and flow-ruining, though I wouldn’t say the same of your next (and last) edit. I like that one (and the ones I didn’t comment on). I’m not sure why but even though it’s grammatical I think it’s good to clarify/emphasize “a significant element in what?”. Maybe it’s my looking-for-a-thesis-statement-in-the-conclusion thinking? There also is another grammar error here: you can’t put “a very small % of” and “any” at the same time since the latter “evaluates to” a single entity/person out of those opposed; “any of” should be removed. It’s also technically correct but very awkward to refer to people with “those” in its pronoun sense (fine if it’s a determiner). Would’ve replaced with “them”.

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    17 days ago

    Help me out here? Aren’t these the same groups calling for freedom of speech and against cancel culture. It’s all so confusing.

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    17 days ago

    “You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.”

    -Vonnegut

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      16 days ago

      I really wish they had their own language. It would make ignoring what they say so much more common.

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    17 days ago

    Because everyone is all about getting their information from a library… where is the closest library… how about we google that - oh looky here trans folk and porn is everywhere now!

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        16 days ago

        The suppression of knowledge and non-conservative views by American politicians and fundamentalist groups is all lip service when it comes to banning books because information these days is no longer bound to libraries it’s on the internet.