This is one of many reasons that I want the US to stop being respected internationally. Their culture has some horrible issues that they don’t need to spread around. We’ve got plenty of home-grown awfulness, thanks all the same.
Unfortunately it requires our government to take a strong position. To actually stand up publicly and tell the people of the UK. We will not tollerarate this return to the fascist playback used before ww2.
Without that librarians and soon store keepers etc will constantly face the threats and attacks of extremists groups. Claiming the same anti DEI and equality shit happening in doge.
Much like anti abortion protesters try to intimidated those that disagree with them protesting clinics etc.
That is exactly what is being attempted here. Racism prejudice and fear for the future is being weaponised by the right. If our gov dose not stand up to the actions now. The attempts in the US to override the legal system etc will follow. Reform or a reunigghting of the people who support it will turn into a trump like administration.
We saw the start of this when Boris tried to shut down parliment illegally. The attacks on the echr are the UK equiv of the claim we saw leading up to trump 1. IE the supreme Court has become political. Gaining the power to take control. Our right is doing the same by trying to eject us from the courts mandate.
Dear Evangelicals: Get. Fucked. Immediately.
before marriage? heathen!
Just as they say they do not want Sharia law in the UK, we should not support the spread of other extremist religious laws
Agreed.
But the issue is with both the words extremists and religious. No extremists thinks they are. Heck I can assure you most think our rejection is extream. And religiose people rarely admit their restrictions are religion. Even when using the Bible to justify shit. They will argue it is science or common sense.
Their is a need to term unacceptable laws in a way that forces them to openly argue their restrictions do not apply. Or actually are religious extremism. The latter is close to impossible.
Be honest with ourselves. I agree trans equality laws should exist. But only 20 or 30 years ago society as a majority society considered them extream. Some off us remember it even if we disagreed.
Gay marriage was def extream when I was in my teens. Gary rights at all in my parents teens. (They also disagreed)
And a very small % of any of those considered their religious ideals as a significant element.
My god man, what the fuck is wrong with your grammar?
Agreed.
But the issue is with both of the words extremist
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You’ve got some balling to do, Lain.
“of” is only allowed when followed by a determiner or pronoun; it is required in the latter case, and even though “the” is a determiner, I would omit “of” here and would only add it if it was just “both of the words.” full stop. You can omit the “one” if you want to if it is obvious and you’re lazy/artistic; this is called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics). (I would also change the first “extremists” to “extremist” to maintain parallel structure as adjectives; not that it’s not grammatical to use two objects of different parts of speech.) No need to combine the “heck” sentence into the preceding one; in fact the combination’s a run-on. It should be separate sentences.
Having subordinate clauses—those that begin with subordinating conjunctions like “even when”—stand alone is common in transcribing speech. Your edit makes it seem less impassioned, less angry. (Though it would’ve been a good edit if it was not immediately repeated one or two sentences later, “actually” is not a grammar issue.)
This changes the meaning. The original sentence didn’t necessarily say we should term “laws” using the term “unacceptable”. It said we should find wording/rhetoric/a term for laws that are unacceptable so that we may get people to speak out.
“Or actually are religious extremism” uses “are” in one of its modern senses: embody. The sentence means “Or that restrictions from unacceptable laws embody religious extremism.” Though this sentence is grammatically correct, I agree that I would’ve changed that sentence to be more clear, like “Or actually are religiously extremist.” Since “or” is a coordinating conjunction, my statement above about subordinate clauses also applies to this coordinate clause. See also https://www.grammarly.com/blog/sentences/starting-a-sentence-with-a-conjunction .
You do not need “Let’s” here; this is a normal imperative. The act of putting “that” after a verb before an embedded clause is completely optional and whether to keep the “that” is a matter of great debate; in formal writing, some say one should replace such "that"s with a comma, which is also grammatical. IMO omitting the “that” is better for the pacing and more powerful here. You changed the meaning in your edit of “20 or 30”: the original sentence emphasizes the recentness of this treatment and gave an approximate date as “20 or 30”. “20 to 30” has a very subtly different meaning that in the end has little difference, but again both are correct, and the original form with “or” emphasizes that this is an approximate guess. Finally, there’s no need for your new “with…” here; that meaning is implied and concision is often more powerful. In fact I’d argue this edit ruins the flow.
This sentence does have serious grammatical errors but you missed the meaning of “at all”—which is quite a bit more extreme than “in general”—and the “also” part, which I would rectify by adding an “either” after “with”.
“opposed to these things” is unnecessary and flow-ruining, though I wouldn’t say the same of your next (and last) edit. I like that one (and the ones I didn’t comment on). I’m not sure why but even though it’s grammatical I think it’s good to clarify/emphasize “a significant element in what?”. Maybe it’s my looking-for-a-thesis-statement-in-the-conclusion thinking? There also is another grammar error here: you can’t put “a very small % of” and “any” at the same time since the latter “evaluates to” a single entity/person out of those opposed; “any of” should be removed. It’s also technically correct but very awkward to refer to people with “those” in its pronoun sense (fine if it’s a determiner). Would’ve replaced with “them”.
Neat! Thanks. Lots of TIL moments for me here.
American here, please guys…don’t become a U.S. vassal state and try to get back into the EU if you can.
Our government won’t let us. 🥴
Secede. Become new eastern Irish protectorate or something. Secede and rejoin until the UK is literally just 10 Downing st. Then invade and hang their leader.
Lot harder to do that when like 90% of the country’s wealth is in the south
I’d like to see some of that wealth 🤑
South east. West country doesn’t have much wealth either.
They aren’t pressure groups they are hate groups.
Help me out here? Aren’t these the same groups calling for freedom of speech and against cancel culture. It’s all so confusing.
Deny Accuse Reverse Victim and Offender
I’d not heard of this before. Most appropriate.
This is the “The only moral abortion is my abortion crowd”.
I think you’d find as many wanting Huckleberry Finn removed because it’s racist as anything else. Woe betide anyone who thinks such books need to be around to teach future generations with.
Americans are puritans through and through. It doesn’t matter what strain they are.
They just want their way, and only their way, no matter how contradictory it is.
“You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.”
-Vonnegut
And let’s not forget that the Guardian has had no qualms to participate in transphobic witchhunting for years. No matter what hand-wringing they now do, they share a part of the responsibility for it coming this far and probably won’t stop pushing transphobia either…
Guardian-reading lefty here. You got any links to actual transphobic articles in the Guardian itself? I’ve been reading it for years, and have never noticed anything like that, particularly it being a stance. Would be very disappointed in them if so.
That link says that there have been 1100 articles in the Guardian, and also well-known right wing rags the Times, Mail and Telegraph, “most of” which are attacks. Bizarre to group those four papers together; one of them is very much not like the others. I would believe it of the other three, of course.
Here is some news coverage of what’s going on in the Guardian. Mind, some of the articles are a little older, but the overall situation hasn’t improved. The only thing that has changed is the normalization of the transphobic content the Guardian has put out over the years.
The articles below contain links to various Guardian articles
- Hundreds Of Staff At The Guardian Have Signed A Letter To The Editor Criticising Its “Transphobic Content”, March 20
- Protesters demand the Guardian ‘stop platforming transphobia’ outside newspaper’s HQ, October 21
- Trans Journalists Pull Out of Guardian Newspaper’s Pride Coverage, June 22
- Columnist James Wong leaves The Observer and claims ‘institutionalised transphobia’, February 23
The moral high grounding of liberal minded people is one of the reasons right wing populists are gaining ground globally. Rather than slamming the Guardian for not always aligning 100% with your views, why not see if the content of the actual article is worth your fury.
I am not a liberal, so I can totally be outraged about what the article is describing and point out the Guardian’s contribution to that particular problem.
Bullshit. Liberals won’t fight for anything and thats why the Nazis are coming back.
The bar is in hell if opposing websites suggesting my people are some disease or delusion that’s harming children and needs to be eradicated is moral high grounding for liberal minded people.
As someone born in the uk I really think we’re too far gone and are just America a a decade or two behind on levels of dystopia.
I really wish they had their own language. It would make ignoring what they say so much more common.
They can apply pressure in groups to my knob
Wouldn’t it be nob?
Fuck that. Tell US pressure to go suck a fatty.
Because everyone is all about getting their information from a library… where is the closest library… how about we google that - oh looky here trans folk and porn is everywhere now!
What the actual fuck are you even saying?
The suppression of knowledge and non-conservative views by American politicians and fundamentalist groups is all lip service when it comes to banning books because information these days is no longer bound to libraries it’s on the internet.