• LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world
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    I think a lot of rich people don’t understand that being rich precludes them from being a part of the working class. They think that because they’re working, that must mean they’re a working class person. And then that leads to shit like this, rich folk calling other rich folk working-class.

    Obviously, there are more reasons for people calling the CEO a working class hero, but I think what I said is still one of those reasons.

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      Yeah the “hero” part doesn’t equal “I made it big therefore I’m a hero”

      A real working class hero is a person who did make it big and gave back to the ones beneath them.

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        On 9/11, Steve Buscemi, formerly a firefighter, son of a garbage man and a hotel worker, decided to don his old uniform and go back to his old station and help the rescue crews with no regard to his own safety. He worked 12-hour days taking living people and corpses (including the bodies of other firefighters) out of the rubble and did not bother doing anything like letting the press know about his selfless act. In fact, he said nothing about it. A firefighter posted on Facebook to thank him and that’s how the world found out.

        That is a working-class hero.

        Brian Thompson was personally responsible for causing far more deaths than what happened on 9/11.

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      They probably don’t consider him in the same class as them at all. I wonder if he wasn’t even a 1%-er, maybe more like a 2-3%-er. If you do literally anything other than laying in your money pile eating and shitting and having your mouth and ass wiped with $100 bills you’re probably a pleb to them.

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    Vigilante violence doesn’t lead to enduring systematic change.

    Normally I agree with most of jacobin’s articles but I don’t agree with this. It’s pretty obvious that things have already changed, even if it’s just temporary. (Speaking as a non American spectator at least tbf)

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      It’s strange to cite what may be “just temporary” changes when you’re quoting “enduring systematic change”

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        Yeah that’s fair, I did actually notice what I wrote kind of argued against itself 😅. My counterpoint would be that it’s clear there’s more work to be done to make it not temporary

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      Vigilante violence can be distinguished from revolutionary violence because it is carried out without a Party. It’s just random people on their own deciding to do violence i.e. adventurism. It can’t bring enduring change.

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          It can also lull a population into complacency rather than getting organized, and it can provoke the government into counter-revolution before the masses have reached a revolutionary stage. Adventurism can strangle any potential revolution in the crib.

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        Did you actually read that link?

        The extent to which suffragette militancy contributed to the eventual enfranchisement of women in 1918 has been debated by historians, although the consensus of historical opinion is that the militant campaign was not effective.

        In fact:

        In May 1913 another attempt had been made to pass a bill in parliament which would introduce women’s suffrage, but the bill actually did worse than previous attempts when it was voted on, something which much of the press blamed on the increasingly violent tactics of the suffragettes.[116] The impact of the WSPU’s violent attacks drove many members of the general public away from supporting the cause, and some members of the WSPU itself were also alienated by the escalation of violence, which led to splits in the organisation and the formation of groups such as the East London Federation of Suffragettes in 1914.

        And women didn’t get suffrage in the UK until 1918.

        • ✧✨🌿Allo🌿✨✧@sh.itjust.works
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          Yes. And I feel the amount by which the ‘terrorists’ made it a public issue was more important than the quoted analysts believe. It may have been so overly strong that it scared some away. But it also showed that it was a real issue to solve NOW. No more putting it off untold decades; and that is what I would hope from militant activism today. May America get Universal Healthcare like the rest of the developed world within 5 years now. And we will know who to thank.

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            May America get Universal Healthcare like the rest of the developed world within 5 years now.

            You forgot who Americans elected as president last month, didn’t you?

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              I know it’s a long shot, but it’s possible Trump could be manipulated into doing some actual good. He’s at the phase of life where even he must realize he can’t take his material wealth with him in death, and might want to send a final “fuck you” to all his pathetic suck-up followers when he realizes that they just want to use him.

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                I appreciate your optimism, but I think civilization getting wiped out by a giant meteor in the next four years is more likely.

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          something which much of the press blamed on the increasingly violent tactics of the suffragettes

          I’m sure the press of their time was pure and true reporters of fact rather than manufacturers of consent defending the status quo.

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            And yet, just as now, the press drove public opinion. PR is everything and I don’t know why people don’t get that.

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    Doesn’t matter that he came from money. He saw an imbalance of power and did something about it.

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      They’re talking about Thompson, the guy that got shot. He is the one they are trying to paint as a working class hero because he wasn’t born wealthy. It’s just ignoring the reality of life in America and his part in it.