According to the latest reports, Windows 11 has made an independent choice by automatically turning on OneDrive folder backup for Desktop, Pictures, Documents, Music, and Video folders without your permission. This signifies that, whether you approve or not, everything is becoming coordinated with the cloud.

This action from Microsoft fits into a larger pattern where big tech companies cleverly (or not so cleverly) promote their services and subscriptions to users. It isn’t only about Microsoft; there have been instances of Google doing something similar with Google Photos and its storage plans.

Keep an eye on your settings, particularly when you have just finished setting up a new device or updating your operating system. Companies such as Microsoft constantly seek methods to link users with their environments—sometimes without permission.

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      Well you see, they put it in page 69 of their EULA that got updated last week that they emailed directly to your spam folder. Since you didn’t opt out of that clause my sending a registered letter to their offices in Uganda, Japan, Washington, and Ukraine, it is considered that you agreed to the EULA.

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      Your honour, I asked her if she wanted to have it and she said no. I wasn’t sure what that meant so I asked again. And to make things clearer I told her that “yes” and “maybe later” where the only options. She still didn’t say yes, but after some time I decided that “later” had come. So I Azure you, I did nothing wrong.

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      Yes, this. That’s essentially the attitude of all of these corporate exec. They know it’s wrong and do it anyways.

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          Maybe maybe not. But they sure as shit do things they know they wouldn’t be able to get away with in any other situation.

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            Yeah, that’s sadly what a lot of companies do. Push it until people complain, then back off a little for a while and then push further once people are used to the status quo. Rinse and repeat.

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      Louis Rossman is a far right extremist who promotes unfounded conspiracy theories against technical corporations.

      I’m wondering how many people won’t know if that’s serious or not.

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        Yes, he does talk a lot about “what ifs” but a lot of his “conspiracy theories” are in the realm of reality. If you do your own research, I think you’ll see that most companies are getting shittier as time goes on.

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    Every new “feature” I hear about in Windows Privacy Invasion Goes to 11, the happier I am that I switched to Linux. It’s been mostly smooth and games have just worked. Though I know that much of that is because of Proton.

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      Funnily, or sadly enough, OneDrive integration is one of the things I miss from my windows days. It’s just extremely convenient how it’s integrated into explorer and office. And how well the smart/ on-demand sync works. I can’t find a setup to replicate this on Linux.

      That being said I don’t intend to go back and this move is insane.

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        If you are willing to self-host, I’ve found Nextcloud integrates well in Linux. I had been using it before I made the switch and it worked out just fine afterwards. I originally set it up to have a cloud-sync option for my phone, which didn’t mean passing everything through Google first. But, it also proved to be a handy way to sync files on my desktop as well.
        It just shows up as another folder on my system and Libre Office is happy to work on files from there (with some permissions fiddling due to flatpak).

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          Yes, but I can’t get the virtual file system/on-demand sync to work properly. It turn off every time I reboot. I gave up after a while since it’s experimental for now anyway.

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            That’s interesting. I’ve not had that sort of issue. On my phone (Android), my son’s laptop (Windows) and my desktop (Arch Linux) the NextCloud clients all sync perfectly and run at start up. Granted, knowing that the Linux landscape is fractured, I wouldn’t be overly surprised if the client had issues on some flavors of Linux.

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                My apologies, I was not familiar with the difference. I’m going to have to test this when I am back at my system. Looking at the docs, it does seem to be experimental in Linux. But it seems odd that it would turn off automagically.

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            I use Nexcloud-client and so far, it syncred the ~/nextcloud folder pretty good with my Linux devices so far, but I do not jave huge files in it either. Mostly my keepass file.

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        I’m in a similar situation - I’m a (retired) Unix admin and have Linux servers at home but I’m still on windows for my desktop because of OneDrive. If you use it as intended, it works really well. I can login to my laptop, my phone or either of my wife’s PC’s and all my stuff is just there.

        Yes, I’ve tried nextcloud and it’s close, but the windows sync client is (was?) broken - the upload speed throttling logic is broken and it was going to take ages to sync my data. I went to the nextcloud community and it seemed to be a known issue that know one cares about because the sync just happens in the background and it’s done when it’s done.

        As I typed this I realised that if I move to Linux desktop I don’t care about the windows sync client :-) So now I’ve just got the issue that I won’t get my wife off windows and if we’re paying for 5TB of cloud storage, I might as well use it. Yes, I know there are ways to use OneDrive on Linux, but it doesn’t look as seamless and I’d be always concerned that Microsoft will do something to break it.

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          Thank you! I thought was going nuts. It’s been such a long time since I had think about whether something is synced or a way to set it up. With OneDrive I could just grab the files I needed from the cloud and push them off the drive if I needed space. It really took away any hassle about sync.

          It really feels like moving to Linux is a step back 10 years when it comes to cloud storage.
          I also tried nextcloud but the smart / on-demand/ virtual file system is experimental in the Linux client and doesn’t work as seemlesly as OneDrive. Besides being turned off every time I restart.

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          I had luck with increasing memory allocation in my php config for mine. Also having more ram may help if you have bigger files. Afaik nextcloud doesn’t have caching like unraid or truenas. I’m not aware of transfer speed issues. I’ve also no issues saturating my 1gig connection to it either.

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            My issue was specifically the windows sync client - not server or web related. I turned on debug in the client and watched the logs and saw it making stupid (IMHO) decisions about speed throttling.

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        I’ve been using next loud with my Nas for years. I sync things to it. Linux Windows Mac, doesn’t matter. Even my phone.

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        ExpanDrive is not free (as in libre or beer), but it’s great for OneDrive integration with the filesystem. Been using it for this for a few months now with no issues. Just my two cents.

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    …only if you HAVE onedrive account it can reach.

    This is a fantastic use case for NOT using a Microsoft account and instead a local account. No Microsoft authenticated account, no Onedrive.

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    I wonder about Microsoft’s liability on this one. People store all sorts of things in there, some personal, and some corporate things that are at least non-public, if not outright sensitive. Yeah, people should be using an encrypted drive for especially sensitive info (not that this would stop Microsoft when they own the OS), but they don’t, and it’s not for Microsoft to force the issue.

    Did their legal department actually sign off on this? Or did someone in MS legal just shit a brick when they saw the headlines?

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      If Microsoft was a smaller company, this would completely ruin them and the next headline would be them declaring bankruptcy after failing to fight off 50,000 lawsuits. Fortunately for them, laws don’t apply to companies their size.

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    Even on windows 10, Onedrive uploaded random crap you don’t want and then yells at you that the space is full and buy a subscription. It has to be the worst cloud service of them all because of the bullshit integration. It was easier to disable and remove it than to work with it.

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      I have disabled and uninstalled it, but office 365 still enforces it as the default save as location, so now when I use the dialogue, the system hangs for 30 seconds. Even disabled it in the policy management, but no dice.

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    Apple does it too if you sign in in the Settings. iCloud gets booted up the moment you sign in and everything goes to the iCloud

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      Not everything. By default the contents of your desktop and documents folder, both of which are easy to switch off if you want.

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        True, although their OSes don’t really disclose what is and is not being stored in the cloud by default. I like iCloud syncing, so it doesn’t bother me, but I could see how this would annoy others who want everything local.

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      I thought part of the apple agreement was that all your data is on their servers. Isn’t that why my media messages from Android to Apple phones look like shit, because Apple only sends shit through their servers and refuses to adapt the industry standard for mobile data?

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        They turn iMessage on by default when you sign in because signing into your account and signing into iCloud purposefully conflated. Its very sneaky and arguably just as bad as the whole Microsoft local accounts lol. Also iCloud backups didn’t use to be e2ee and iMessage backups which also weren’t e2ee because the iCloud backups werent e2ee and held the keys to all the iMessage. Funny stuff.

        To sign into your account locally and avoid iCloud, you have to sign in in the AppStore on both iOS and MacOS. Its fhe only way. On Mac, iCloud is activated by signing in the Settings place (same as iOS) or that Apple Media Account/Services modal they pester you with constantly.

        This is to say, they turn it on by default under the facade that every Appl user would want to have all their private communications redirected through their servers via iMessage (its free and blue message so cool) and then there’s multiple backdoors to your conversations even tho its said its e2ee and only accessible to you

        Part of agreement

        C’mon, seriously, nobody reads those. They’re way too long and they get updated all the time. Its easier to disabke iCloud and use real proper apps like Signal. I avoid the Appl native apps like the plague. Their privacy nutrition labels should all be No Data Collected or only like Disgnostic stuff but basically every one captures UserContent and other invasive data.

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    Install Linux already, just get it over with.

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        My understanding is that it is working much better now than a few months ago. I haven’t actually put it to the test yet, but it is on my list of things to try once I have time to set up my index again.

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        Literally one of the very few things keeping me with a Windows partition, though it doesn’t get used very often

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        I have it somewhat working on Nobara after SteamVR updated a few weeks back. It works, but is rather unstable and you got to reboot any time it craps out. 6/10 technically functional, but needs work.

        It doesn’t help that my headset has had odd issues even on Windows since it’s refurbished.

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          Yea I fucked around a lot to make it work, Nobara is usually the most stable one to get vr working but valve keeps pushing out updates that completely fucks up the vr launch process. The other big issue is asynchronous reprojection missing.

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      People usually don’t use linux because or app compatibility ik wine exists but it just doesn’t not work with all apps

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        To really switch to Linux people need to accept that for a good experience you may need to switch off some software to alternative software.

        This wasn’t a big deal for me personally and I’m happy I use more open source software now, it can be a bigger issue especially if you need specific tools for work.

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          I stopped using the word “alternative” as it implies it maybe be less good. I just say “open source” now.

          In reality, open source software almost always is a better product as it’s designed by people wanting it, not by a bunch of managers wanting more money directing a bunch of developers who just want their salary.

          Also: a lot of the mainstream software has Linux clients, if you look for them

          I’ve been on Linux desktop and server for over 20 years now, reaching 25. Never looked back, never will

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        Most apps have open source versions which work better anyway. I’ve been on a Linux desktop literally for the past 20+ years now, never looked back

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            I stopped calling them alternatives because that implies that its somehow a “B” version, less than “the original”. Many times these lesser know softwares are superior to their closed source counterparts

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        I do exactly that, yes. Unfortunately I my company we have to use the msoffice shit, so I use the online version which is as hilariously bad as one would expect. Same for teams which is just a sad shitshow

        Say about Google what you want, but at least the google drive tools work well.

        In any case, what is your point?

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      "We’ve gone ahead and synced all your files to the cloud! Create an account to access them once again.

      Enter your email: ______

      [ Click here to delay the inevitable ]"

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      It just won’t work for a local account. This is for those who sign in/up. And those who are forced to sign in/up in the first setup. My hate towards Microsoft and all the companies like it increases every fucking day.