• EnderMB@lemmy.world
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    While I don’t support shoplifting, it’s literally not inconveniencing anyone involved here. Worst-case, security calls the police, and they claim losses from insurance.

    That man will probably press charges, and get some money he probably needs, assuming he’s okay. Those involved will almost certainly lose their jobs, and will probably end up in the position that this other person was in - unemployable.

    I really don’t get what their end goal was here, other than to beat the shit out of someone.

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      I don’t get this “claim losses from insurance” line. I didn’t think they even do that. The just understand there is going to be a level of shrink. What insurer would insure theft at a store?

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      I really don’t get what their end goal was here, other than to beat the shit out of someone.

      probably just this, taking out their frustrations on someone who was already marginalized. some people have no problem with punching down.

      NOW, if there was any kind of policy that led to this - such as punishing employees for losses, punishing the entire store, etc., sains should be held partially culpable. But most modern institutions would prefer to keep their employees away from fisticuffs.

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      Everyone who steals is Robin Hood and anyone who isn’t ok with that is Guy of Gisbourne and therefore a complete shit.

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            You don’t have a point you just engaging and “I’m 14 and this is deep” level commentary.

            All situations are nuanced you can’t just sign on with blanket philosophies, it doesn’t work

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              All situations are nuanced you can’t just sign on with blanket philosophies, it doesn’t work

              My point exactly part duex.

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                If you’re implying that there is some element here that justifies dragging the guy out back and beating him senseless after he was caught, by all means, elaborate

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                Have you tried not being insufferable? I highly recommend working on your ability to communicate with others so people don’t think you’re just trying to be a (usually fake) know-it-all that doesn’t actually know anything but really just wants attention

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    Could he now sue the people that beat him (or even Sainsbury’s)?

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    (Before clicking the link): the victim is going to be a POC or vulnerable isn’t he.

    (After clicking): sigh. Mob mentality and dehumanisation. Please treat other human beings with care and respect.

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      You clearly don’t know what shoplifters are like in the UK lol

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    With the police effectively decimalising shop lifting I don’t find it surprising that this kind of thing will start to happen.

    Edit - to be clear I’m not saying they were right in what they did, just that with the police seeming to not care about/have the resources to deal with less and less things it’s not surprising to me that people would take things into their own hands (especially somewhere like tower hamlets)

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      I don’t see why regular employees would care so much though.

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        When I worked at tk maxx there were a couple of guys who lived for that shit. They kept being told not to, but they’d chase and grapple every single shoplifter.

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          I can’t imagine tackling someone for stealing from a tj maxx.

          “Stop him! he’s getting away with a bag of stale snacks, a cracked pink salt lamp, and some scratched nonstick pans!”

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          A friend worked at Sainsbury’s and he’d be among the staff who’d chase after shoplifters and I used to ask him “why” a lot. He never really had a good answer but I suspect he was just bored and it livened up his day.

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        If it’s someone doing it a lot I can see getting pissed off, especially if there happens to be other history with the person.

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          Why? They’re stealing from the owners, not you. Now these guys will end up with assault charges for protecting the owner’s wealth.

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            I think part of it is not wanting to be mugged off. Even though it doesn’t materially affect you, having someone come in everyday and nick stuff in front of you would probably wear you down. No excuse for violence of course but I can see how it comes to this.

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              Yeah, and people in general don’t like theives - sure they’re just stealing from the company you work for, they’re just stealing someone else’s bike, just stealing just stealing copper from a building sire, just stealing the play equipment in the park, just stealing an old ladies medication… it’s natural people resist this sort of rot, it’s almost hardwired into us.

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                Stealing from an individual is deplorable. I can understand why someone might want to respond aggressively (although to be clear I still don’t think it’s justified) if someone steals medication from an old lady… But from a shop?

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            I can see a logic behind it for the employees, even if you or I might disagree.

            Too much shrinkage from theft -> Store unprofitable -> Store closes -> No job

            Whether that is actually the case or not (idk how much expected shrink there is.) I couldn’t say, but that mindset I can 100% see.

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            and they may have weapons to defend themselves, so you are potentially risking your health to protect someone elses money

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        If it gets robbed frequently enough it’ll probably close, and suddenly, those employees lose their income. Some people work retail their whole lives, nothing wrong with them feeling protective about it.

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          When you’re deepthroating the boot, do you prefer the taste, or is it the texture you enjoy? Genuinely curious

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                Oh damn you got me. I’m going to be thinking about the level of wit in that comeback for years. Know that today you have made a real and meaningful difference to the life of a total stranger.

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                  Finally, some recognition. I hate when I hit someone with an epic sick burn and they just pretend it didn’t absolutely shatter their perception of themselves and the world around them

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    Taking items, belongings to a different person is wrong.

    Causing physical harm to a person is even far more wrong.

    Regardless of laws i believe these those to be true in civilized society

    But to add to that, to who exactly do the items on display in a store belong? (I asked this question to ai to make following list)

    1. The items belong to the store owner or corporation that owns the store, having been legally purchased for resale.

    2. The items belong to the workers who produce them, as their labor creates the value of these items.

    3. The items belong to the community or society as a whole, ensuring collective access and distribution.

    4. The items belong to those who use them, with property being legitimate only when actively utilized.

    5. The items are part of the common resources that should be freely accessible to all individuals, promoting mutual aid and cooperation.

    Noteworthy is that the items never belong to the store employee from any perspective but it could belong to the thieves according to 3, 4 and 5, If the thief happens to work at the factory they can also fall under 2.

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      I agree but the ai list isn’t very good tbh, your reading of it is worse - if you’re counting the thieves into 3 4 5 then excluding the staff is a weird choice.

      Assume this is a state run distribution center and people take more than they’re allotted then sell them to people who now don’t have access to them, are you going to say those people have more right to the foods than those working in the store? Of course not.

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        Fair enough i should indeed not have excluded the staff according to my own logic. Neither should policy be made based on internet comment. I also should have refrained from using chatgpt as i could have easily made such list myself.

        Thanks for your feedback

        I am an advocate for using ai to enhance speech if it’s clearly labeled. The desire to be a good example towards this labeling appears to have lead to me doing so where not actually needed or relevant. I didn’t misread its output as much then it was already wrong in my head while writing the prompt.

        My intention was to explore the meaning of ownership and belonging rather than proposing theft be fully legalized. I understand that in modern society we only consider economical ownership but i deeply question such.

        To answer your hypothesis of a state run distribution center, you must understand i answer this purely from my own understanding of the world.

        Depending on your own perspectives i am both pro and anti government at the same time.

        To me (and this is a personal-anarchism perspective) a state at minimum is but an organized collective of people concerning the general well being and health of all members of its own people. If a state can be just this then i want it. If it’s not this then what is its purpose.

        A state run distribution center running out of goods because the people it distributes toward made inefficient and asocial choices and committing acts of exploitation (creating scarcity by taking to much, profiting by creating exclusive ownership of the goods yourself) is a sign of a broken society and in extends its government as such system is not sustainable.

        People who compromise the sustainability of their own society are a system of systemic neglect of education and mental health.

        Yes my pov is radical and extremist. Till someone comes by that can properly show me how and why taking this perspective and talk about it is more wrong then silently going trough the motions of the planet wrecking machine. I am unlikely to think differently.

        Thanks for reading, whoever did.