US president says ‘immigrants are what makes us strong’ and criticizes countries, plus China and Russia, over migration policy
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Who’s tryna immigrate to india?
But yeah all of east asia is anti-immigrant
Refugees from Myanmar and Afghanistan are hosted by India.
I call BS. Modi’s fundamentalist right wing government is speeding away from secularism towards religious nationalism. India deports Myanmar refugees who fled 2021 coup
@tearsintherain I’m not talking about policy and Modi’s posturing though, I’m talking about facts. Who is trying to immigrate there.
Browse the UN’s India refugees website, that will tell you everything you need about the thousands of refugees there.
The Myanmar border has had hundreds of people over it this year. Your link says they just deported a few dozen.
As your link points out, India’s like the US in that it’s not a signatory to the United Nations Convention on Refugees, so their status is precarious. Nevertheless, there refugees in India, that’s simply a fact.
Yes, there are people fleeing largely from neighboring countries. I don’t know how much of that is about choosing India. But religious fanatics have taken power in India. The RSS/BJP analogue in the US might be the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 and conservatives. India is down a very dark path.
What’s Wrong With the Indian Government’s Narrative on Refugees?
Indian refugee claims in Canada began rising after Prime Minister Modi took power, data shows
Ah, yeah I agree with that. Modi is very concerning and the plight of refugees right now in India isn’t great. Their children are also born stateless.
My focus was on raising awareness that there are refugees there. A lot of people don’t seem to realize that most of the world’s refugees are actually hosted in low income nations where they have sought refuge.
I see what you mean. Yeah, the focus tends to be on wealthier nations, the west and immigration.
Thanks for the link to the Diplomat article by the way. It’s a good article.
The fact that modi’s government is trying to deport immigrants doesn’t mean that people don’t want to move there - in fact, the fact the gov is doing so is the whole point of the article
An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives.
So as poster rhetorically said, “Who’s tryna immigrate to india?” is valid.
In 2021 and 2022 alone, thousands of Rohingya refugees were either jailed and deported by Indian authorities, had to flee the country, or had to go underground so as to remain untraceable within India.
Indian refugee claims in Canada began rising after Prime Minister Modi took power, data shows Experts say trend indicates ‘Canada is recognizing of human rights abuses’
Not sure why you felt the need to define both terms, but since you bring it up, note that refugees are a subset of immigrants.
But none of what you’ve said addresses the point I was making; the fact that Modi is deporting refugees (who are, by definition, a form of immigrant) doesn’t mean that nobody wants to migrate to India.
I think also some from Bangladesh, Nepal, and Sri Lanka.
Yeah, a bunch of places, those are just the two biggest population groups IIRC.
Well… They are
What about Israel? They literally want to establish an ethnostate.
I think you mean “theocracy,” not an ethnostate. There are Jews of all ethnicities.
I spoke directly with a self-identified Zionist who specifically said Israeli is an ethnicity, same with Hebrew, and we want to establish a state where we are the majority, and specifically called it an ethnostate. They didn’t make any extremist claims otherwise. They believed in a two state solution. But they want Israel to be an ethnostate
Was this Zionist in any way representing Israel, or just a random extremist?
I have a hard time believing a Jew doesn’t realize that Jews are among all ethnicities.
I would not claim they represent Israel alone. However their words and those of Israelis from interviews in Zions Square line up with genocidal rhetoric aimed at creating an ethnostate.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I just think the term ethnostate is a misapplication.
A vaguely democratic theocracy is a better descriptor in my mind.
I don’t agree. I think ethnostate is the correct term for what they are trying to establish. They see Palestinians as incompatible with their state.
But again, Jews are all ethnicities and Arabs (of which Palestinians are) are the largest minority within Israel.
I understand that complicates the world view a little bit, bit I’m sorry, your world view needs to account for a little more complication.
they hate immigrants!
-country that hates immigrants
China has many more racist citizens than the USA.
Cause there’s 5 times as many people there.
EDIT: I’m talking per capita. Aka proportion.
Percentage of US citizens who weren’t born in the US is usually around 16%. A bunch of other countries it’s more like 27%.
Same with UK these days, 16% as @Jaffa pointed out it’s a bad example. Should have gone with one of the others.
In countries with a higher percentage of immigration the percentage is obviously much higher. Here’s a handy chart.
Okay Biden now compare yourself to
the UKAustralia which has about 35% more immigrants than the US.Or Canada, or Australia, or Singapore, or Switzerland, or New Zealand…
I’d love to see your source on that, but when you go look you’ll find you were waaaaay off and be too embarrassed to reply that you were wrong.
I’ll point you in the right direction though. According to the United Nations, the USA has over five times more immigrants than the UK. Nearly as many immigrants as the UK has people.
I’m talking per capita. I’ve now edited the above comment and added a source.
Sorry for the confusion, I don’t know why I thought that since I was talking about percentages it would be obvious I’m referring to per capita numbers, because re-reading my comment I see it’s ambiguous.
But come on, have a heart. New Zealand only has 5 million people in it, total. You must think I’m incredibly, mindblowingly stupid if you think I’m saying the US somehow has fewer immigrants than that!
This is not right, even per capita the US has a higher % o immigrants than the UK, although they are lower than some of the countries you mention.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/immigration-by-country
Interesting that the site lists “residents” and then has Saudi Arabia way up there. I wonder what those numbers would be like if they didn’t count their
slavesforeign workers.I don’t like that website but you’re right, the UK are about the same as the US with just 15 or 16%.
I thought they were the same as the rest of the anglosphere but they’re not! Shouldn’t have picked them to make my point, should have picked Australia after all. Will edit.
My point still stands though. He had a really low bar of comparison, and if he knows immigration is what makes you strong then the obvious implication is he should be amping for more immigration.
Idk it just seemed like a really weird speech.
Japan doesn’t have the space, and India already has the population…… what’s his point?
I am currently living rent-free in Japan because there’s so many empty houses that just need looking after.
Everywhere in Japan has a declining population except Tokyo and Osaka, and both cities are well designed and don’t feel crowded. I think Japan is around the 50th most densely populated country, but the very well designed public transport systems and well planned (and mostly hidden!) highways make it so much more open and walk-able than many less densely populated places.
The only place that feels crowded is Kyoto and that’s because it was never built to sustain the level of tourism it attracts.
Japan has a limitless water supply. They don’t even charge for the stuff in many places (like here). The agriculture industry is strong and supplies most of the food.
The country is still like 70%+ untouched forest.
Japanese policy and mainstream culture is xenophobic and racist, mostly towards Asians (and indigenous people, and lower caste people), but starting to improve based on sheer desperation because of the declining population and economy. Unfortunately, few have the language competency required to work here, and basically no one here can speak English, which makes it really hard to attract people, as the government has not put in the support measures like Korea (a more densely populated place with an even lower birthrate!). It’s not uncommon to see Desi, Vietnamese and Thai workers in convenience stores in Tokyo now though.
The country is still like 70%+ untouched forest.
Slow down, that shouldn’t change.
There’s a mountain range that runs essentially down the middle of the entire country, which makes human habitation largely untenable in those areas. No one’s coming for the forest there.
Very cool. How hard was it to emigrate? Did you learn the language?
I learned the language during high school, working in Japan after that, then doing a lot of translation work work back in Australia. In recent years we just visit visa-free for three months each year, and stay in this old house up north in exchange for doing a few jobs around the place to stop it deteriorating further after the winter chill.
If we wanted to live here full-time we’d have to get local jobs, but I have zero interest in working for a Japanese company. Would sooner start my own business, which has gotten easier recently but is still highly monitored for the first few years.
Nice. Yeah a friend of mine is trying to move there but it’s taking him many years, also learned the language etc and playing the visa games. I never been and have so much expectations from it I want to make it special when I go, but I know immigration isn’t for me because I don’t think I can be arsed learning the language.
Learning Japanese takes a lot of effort. I’m in it for over one year and I still find myself amazed at anything I understand, even it’s gotten more common.
Also incorrect.
Largely due to the birthrate crisis and a problem with abandoned homes, Japan is trying to entice people from other countries and of child bearing age to sign contracts where they get an abandoned home for dirt cheap if they commit to renovating the home and living in it for at least 10 years.
If this is the case, can you please provide some proof?
I’m sure there are plenty of people who would love to take advantage of such a program.
Sure, I can google for you.
https://tokyoportfolio.com/can-foreigners-buy-a-home-in-japan/
I’m not interested in whether foreigners can buy houses, so your Google search on my behalf is useless and doesn’t support your assertion.
I’m interested in how the Japanese government is supposedly enticing people of child bearing ages there. I also do not see anything in the link you provided about agreeing to upkeep the home for 10 years in exchange for very cheap pricing.
Do you have any evidence of these programs?
The houses are called Akiya. Most are rural but they exist in cities too.
As another guy living in Japan (not rent-free though; I live in Osaka) this place is ridiculously well designed. Even Osaka (3rd biggest city in Japan after Tokyo and Yokohama) has enough space you could easily take in a whole bunch of people before it becomes even uncomfortably crowded.
Just digging the hole deeper.
I called it elsewhere, but Biden sub 30’s in the next two weeks.
Yeah, he really needs to start pandering to bigots.
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