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While the New Mexico Department of Health said it can’t pinpoint the baby’s exact cause of death, officials believe it could have been linked to the mother’s drinking raw milk during pregnancy.
Health officials in New Mexico are warning against consuming raw dairy products after a newborn baby in the state died from a listeria infection that they say was likely contracted when the baby’s mother drank raw milk during pregnancy.
The New Mexico Department of Health in a news release said that officials believe the mother consumed unpasteurized milk while pregnant, which could have led to the listeria infection.
Officials cannot pinpoint the exact source of the listeria that led to the baby’s death, the release said, but it noted that “the tragic death underscores the serious risks raw dairy poses to pregnant women, young children, elderly New Mexicans and anyone with a weakened immune system.”
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No shit.
If Conservatives want to poison themselves with raw milk, get on with it. But keep kids out of your performative bullshit.
I just can’t understand this movement… I can’t wrap my head around why cooking your milk before drinking it makes it bad!!! I thought the anti-vaccination people were going to be as bad as it gets regarding science denial but it just keeps getting worse 😭😭
You want to see worse? Google “raw water movement.” Fuggin’ scary people.
It mainly has to do with an enzyme that exists in the milk (and helps digest the milk) but breaks down from heat, and then this is blamed for gut issues (and gut issues are pretty common these days and hard to pinpoint the cause of, so people will latch on to anything to try to solve the issue).
I’m not sure about the accuracy of that enzyme thing, that’s just the information that had me wondering about raw milk.
It’s completely perpendicular to whether or not there’s any harmful bacteria in the milk (other than cooking gets rid of both), which means getting sick from raw milk isn’t guaranteed, which then makes it go through the same pathways gambling does (and we’re notoriously bad at risk assessment in gambling), so some people with gut issues (especially if it actually does help, though I bet many build the habit of getting raw milk without even confirming it does help and just keep the habit going because they feel like they are sticking it to the man) ignore that a recurring low chance of something has an increased chance of running into it over time.
Ultimately, laziness won out for me and I never bothered trying to find a source of raw milk when I was interested in the idea, though I can’t say I ever really fully bought into it as I knew that even if pasturization was more necessary because of unhygienic milk industry practices, it was still being done for a reason.
But ultimately, both this and the anti-vaccine movement are about people losing trust in this corporate-dominated system, which I can’t really call irrational on its own, even if it leads to some irrational conclusions. It wasn’t that long ago that cigarette companies were sponsoring “smoking is great” propaganda, and later “smoking isn’t that bad”. And the opioid crisis didn’t do anything to help credibility since doctors were pushing addictive drugs marketed as not addictive because they were getting kickbacks from the manufacturers.
It’s going to get worse every day, and every day we’re all going to get used to sharing a country with a population who have been essentially lobotomized by capital until we give up fighting, because outside influences are oozing through our every media feed and atomized algorithm pushing whatever radical slop it can to make us all divided and dumber with no attention spans and crippling social anxiety so nobody is able to enforce the ONLY thing that keeps populations caring about reason and facts: social pressure.
Social pressure is the only thing that’s ever worked to make people want to be smarter and make right choices, and when you get rid of community, you get rid of people’s need to belong to a better tribe, so everyone retreats to their online, AI-nurtured spaces to be coddled and sold new products.
My MAGA sister says that raw milk isn’t dangerous. So, fake news?
How did we get here? Fkin hell!
How? Decades of Republicans cheapening public education, that’s how. We are becoming that dystopian society Carl Sagan spoke of, where science has been replaced by magic.
Because of the typical incomplete and cherrypicked argument they cite that people get sick and die from pasteurized milk anyway.
While it’s completely true that people do get sick from outbreaks in pasteurized milk over time, there is no perfect system, the millions and millions of people who consume pasteurized dairy vs the thousands that dare to drink unpasteurized milk per capita objectively and obviously wildly points out that pasteurized is ridiculous orders of magnitude safer than raw milk.
But in typical willfully ignorant fashion, they ignore the science and dive into some nebulous and BS health benefits of raw milk while ignoring the game of death roulette they play.
because in the 90s we started teaching people that their feelings are the truth, rather than mostly stupid and wrong.
if there is anything in common with ignorant fools it’s that they think their feelings is the only measure of things, and truth and knowledge is just a feeling they feel like any other.
i was lucky enough to learn in school that my feelings are stupid and wrong and they need to be verified before i can trust them and that other people know more about things than i do. but i’m part of the homosexual queertrans agenda like that.
A few prior stories on raw milk in the bottom of this article…
“While authorities can’t pinpoint the exact cause of death…”
Duhhhhh
Hmmm it’s kind of like the exact same reason we started pasteurizing in the first place.
Pasteurization? That’s UNNATURAL! No one wants all that done to their milk. They want it RAW!
Yea, most of these RAW milk people dont realize its basically just low temperature boiling. They think they are adding acid or antibiotics or soething.
I was briefly interested in raw milk in the early 2000s. There was a lot of info floating around about how pasteurization destroyed beneficial bacteria that healthy people could benefit from, to avoid risk to those with compromised immune systems, infants and elderly, etc. The gut microbiome was just starting to be talked about, and we didn’t know much, but people were curious about improving it.
Fortunately I did a little digging and realized it was a fairly radical and unproven concept, but it’s not just the belief they’re adding something harmful. It’s the belief they’re removing beneficial bacteria that would somehow improve our health.
Considering how the last 20 years have been full of mostly unproven probiotic and prebiotic marketing insanity, it’s not surprising, it’s the same base concept. But science has been demonized since then, people actively think science and medicine is trying to keep us unhealthy now, and the top levels of government are promoting that bullshit.
They prefer their milk darwinized.
they think
you give em too much credit
Yea, way too much. Most just do what the dog-eating brainworm guy in charge of health says.
I’m just surprised raw milk wasn’t at the top of RFK jr’s upside down pyramid.
If only we had a way to remove dangerous bacteria from milk. We could name it after its inventor… /sarcasm.
On the other hand, this is survival of the fittest. If you’re willing to take risks with your foetus’ health by drinking unpasteurized milk, maybe you shouldn’t be a parent…
The funny part is that some people in the raw milk community have started heating the milk before consumption to reduce the risk of illness. They swear its not pasteurization though, that’s something different and bad.
I’m going to lose my mind
Can’t fix stupid, I guess. These are the same people that would fall for the “there’s chemicals in water, called DHMO!” meme.
They swear its not pasteurization though, that’s something different and bad.
That French, Yurrupeen socialism.
Dying by the shits is the way God intended.
You died from dysentery.
THE WAY GOD INTENDED. YOU WIN THE OREGON TRAIL!
Ironically the French are very passionate about their cheese made from raw milk.
It’s still classified as somewhat dangerous, and people in high risk categories are advised not to consume it.
11 sick in French cheese E. coli outbreak | DAIRYSAFE - https://dairy-safe.com.au/11-sick-in-french-cheese-e-coli-outbreak/
TIL there is a raw milk community? Da fuq
It’s nice that heating milk kills bacteria and viruses; but doing it too much can damage taste and nutrition. That’s why I’ve been experimenting with ways to minimize the temperature and time needed to sanitize milk without otherwise damaging it. The deep state will never get me to drink pasturized milk!
That’s why I’ve been experimenting with ways to minimize the temperature and time needed to sanitize milk without otherwise damaging it
you could filter it but that would require leftist science.
Idk if you can filter milk without really making a different product.
To all the people defending raw milk because it doesn’t have chemicals added: heating up milk also doesn’t have chemicals in it.
I look forward to complaints from the raw chicken lovers.
I’d like to state that milk DOES have chemicals in it, just typically not added ones.
Personally I think we’ll continue to have problems if misinformation is never found culpable of the deaths that they cause. There’s no way this person decided to drink unpasteurized milk alone. Who was her community and why aren’t they being held accountable? I have the same concerns with the head of the HHS, and previous cases of stochastic terrorism. Our system of justice (or what it once was…) is just illprepared for this.
Yeah, the problem is these people bond over being ignorant pieces of shit.
It gets to the point where everyone is supposed to know the “meta” information and anyone who tries to be serious about something is ridiculed.
Man for real. I just lost a friend to this conspiracy bs
Half my family died during COVID before the vaccines were released because they thought it wasn’t real.
Idiots.
Google find me a website about why pasteurization is bad.
ChatGPT explain why raw milk is good and pasteurized milk is bad.
Imo these people are often being served what they want. The easiest things to do may be a series of truth in advertising related laws:
A) make chatbot companies liable for anything a chatbot tells a user (regardless of disclaimers),
B) a law that encodes similar levels of editorial process for large websites and social media power users as wikipedia: citations needed for any claim. (Note such a law would probably kill the right wing media overnight, if enforced)
C) affiliation disclosure requirements. For both social media users and websites. Farmers selling raw milk shouldn’t also be hosting misinfo sites on pasteurization.
And finally: D) media algorithm transparency
Rugged individualism is a cancer that prevents us from enacting change on systems.
Good point. Sadly it’s too easy to spread misinformation and remain unchecked.
I’m all for going after people who purposely spread misinformation. But I don’t think this is solely on them. It’s to easy to just blame them and absolve the individual of any responsibility of critical thought. It’s not like information about pasteurized milk and the benefits isn’t readily available. But they choose to ignore it, so that’s on them too.
This isn’t survival of the fittest. Not one baby in human history was responsible for their own fitness or survival. This is survival of the poorly educated, poorly resourced, poorly connected communities. They’re trying to make ends meet with a baby, and unfortunately they couldn’t do that in a safe manner. It’s a tragedy, a hallmark of human life.
The baby hadn’t been born yet. The would-be mother drank unpasteurized “raw” milk.
That’s not a case of being poor or poorly resourced. It’s a lot harder to source unpasteurized milk than it is to find milk that is safe to drink. You have to really go out of your way to buy that!
This is survival of the poorly educated, poorly resourced, poorly connected communities.
Or this is the “find out” moment for a MAGA housewife who spent the last year cheering on RFK Junior and yellilng about the “woke agenda” of pasteurization.
The point is, we don’t know. But since RAW milk is both more expensive AND more inconvenient to obtain, I’m going to go with my theory over a poor mother.
Sorry, I didn’t read the “New” in the title; shame on me. Nonetheless, unless this was murder, they were poorly educated and working with propagandized information. I don’t pity them for picking the side they did. I do pity them for the circumstances that led to them believing it was the right choice when they had.
Actually it’s not a failure of the poorest of societies. Most the people that are these raw milk drinkers are usually people that are middle class to well off. The poorer end of the spectrum normally just purchase whatever regular milk is in the store cuz that’s usually what WIC or mom and baby or whatever else is paying for.
Survival of the fittest doesn’t only or even usually apply to a single individual. It only applies to populations and only over a long period of time. Plus the whole thing has been debunked anyways, evolutionary pressure only works till meh good enough levels, not beyond that. It’s just a bad saying all round.
Some people are so unbelievably stupid it’s sad. On the other hand, there’s very little difference in taste/texture versus non-pasteurized milk, some people think they prefer the taste of raw milk when what they’re really enjoying is non-homogenized milk, which is still pasteurized.
If only we had a way to remove dangerous bacteria from milk
If only just heating the milk for 30 minutes could prevent these deaths. Welp, what to do.
Should have mixed it with Listerine.
Overall I agree. That said, I am pretty sure that you don’t have children or you would have chosen a different wording.
Nature don’t play.
L.monocytogenes has the big issues of needing very few active colonies to cause trouble, especially to kids. It could trigger an infection so easily and across such a huge range of foodstuff and products or even basic ingredients that it’s scary.
Now, thankfully, modern science (10000 bC ~ today) found out that heat deals with such things just fine. Especially since a guy named Pasteur understood that a mild thermic process might be enough to deactivate most patogens. Even better yet more people later on found out that high temperature can even destroy most pathogens if applied for a rational number of cicles and time. Not enough to damage the nutritional properties. Just about enough to do what the doom guy does with these demons to the pathogens and other microbes.
Turns out drinking untreated food products is severly dangerous. When and where did this trend start.
This seems to be another example of people not understanding the most basic exponential function.
If you have 3% listeria… And it doubles every minute. In 5 minutes you have full-blown listeria and you’re dead…
Raw milk, it’s the new abortion drug of choice. Now fully legal and endorsed by conservatives!!!
Pro-infanticide bumper stickers in '28
Will the dumbfuck MAGA mom be charged with murder?
Her baby is dead and you want to see her in prison for murder?
I’m pretty sure whatever lessons there are in life to learn will be better learned by the loss of a child rather than incarceration in a system that doesn’t really emphasize rehabilitation in any meaningful way.
Kinda yeah. These people want folks like us oppressed or dead for the crime of existing, no empathy for them
They sure are teaching you a valuable lesson, apparently.
There should be much higher safety testing requiremnts for raw milk if people are going to sell it in stores. Every raw milk outlet should need to hire a microbiologist to ship it offsite.
I can’t fathom a reason why pasteurization shouldn’t be required.
Same, but source contol is a real method that works for this kind of thing when done well.
Europe does source control with eggs. By very strictly monitoring sources they can prevent outbreaks and don’t need to soak eggs in a chlorine solution like we do here.
This is probably why people apply a similar logic to pasteurization. Pasteurization is a heat process for milk and therefore far less of a problem than egg chlorination baths (which notably puts organohalides into the drainwater which may or may not degrade before going elsewhere.)
What shouldn’t be allowed is not fucking doing any kind of process to reduce infections and letting people get sick. Especially because healthcare is privatized here.
Yes.
I can’t fathom a reason why pasteurization shouldn’t be required.
some fancy old fashioned dairy products which I cannot name need some of the microbes in raw milk to be made.
It should be a fucking hobbyist product, and sold at specialised stores, not in fucking “tescos” or whatever the yankee equivalent is.
what’s the RFK death toll now? Must be in the hundreds.
It was like 70 school kids before he took office.
Dying from the end result of a superstitious, anti-science, anti-intellectual outlook…
Nature is healing?
They’re not dying though they’re killing their kids.
meh…can always have more kids…
“The measles wasn’t that bad. They got over it pretty quickly,” the mother said of her other four surviving children who were treated with castor oil and inhaled steroids and recovered.
Cool, they can be used as a cautionary tale. If you want your child to survive infancy don’t be like that dumbass over there.
Well, ideally we could implement some sort of requirements for procreation.
Unfortunately any such restrictions quickly becomes eugenics. It seems like we could find a little space between some racial purity bullshit and “Dem doctors up in that hospital are killin’ lil Cooter Jr with all dem fucking needles, injectin’ him full of the 5g microchips and the autism!”
But, if you just dial the resolution back: it’s not their kids - their stupid is killing the whole species as well as the biosphere. Ergo, nature is healing…
Idiots don’t always give birth to more idiots. Look at Elon Musk’s daughter that disowned him.
That said, we do have a lot of dumbass Trump’s in the world…
The newborn never had a chance to defy the idiocy of their parents, as many of us have.
Antivaxxers are in the same boat… They are vaccinated, but they are killing their children.
It will never fail to impress me how far dumberikans are willing to go to validate their own willful ignorance. Like, even killing their own kids is a price they are willing to pay to be in the cult of stupidity. Beyond belief.
The newborn didn’t do anything to deserve that.
