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Additionally: we don’t have a rule against AI generated images, so we had a discussion about this and wanted to hear what the [email protected] community thinks about it before acting on the reports.
Will announce more about the AI discussion soon in a separate post.
Now get a human to redraw this.
seriously, I’m thinking of blocking the users who keep spamming these AI bullshits.
Mate, my wife can hand craft you a scarf for 1000 euros, it will just take quite some time because she isn’t a machine. The quality will be of that of a 10 euros scarf, but hey, it took a lot of labour hours.
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The irony of commenting this on this post.
perfectionism is the enemy of progress
This is a “buy european” community, not an anti-AI one. This image gets the message across. It doesn’t have to pass a purity test.
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Woah how can you tell here? I have been bamboozled
The text made me suspicious - I never really thought about why it looks weird, but from closer inspection it looks like almost every letter is unique. It just has such an uncanny look. If it was made with a normal font then letters should be near identical. I suppose some artists who hand draw text could be caught up, but I don’t think that’s common unless they’re drawing a uniquely stylized font. For fonts like this that are just plain, it wouldn’t make sense to hand draw each character.
The 2 apostrophes in don’t and doesn’t in the bottom left are a super obvious example
Not OP but when I saw the font it reminded me of the same font used in AI generated drawings with words. Can’t be sure though, usually there’s some defect in the words but not this one
“for the people”
Continues to cross post ai corpo “art”critique to build, not to tear down
#1 dude. Be better.
Meeting in the middle has turned a country of union supporters into fascists in less than 50 years.
We’ve been falling for the “lesser of two evils” rhetoric since Nixon.
Neoliberals are on the same team as the oligarchs.
The American left wrecked itself by dividing itself by intensivepurity-testing and racialism.
Yeah, basically we can want to fix problems or sit around making excuses for why we won’t make the changes necessary to fix problems.
Means testing is just a way to stop progress.
Critiquing to build or critiquing to tear down?
critiquing the use of AI. I am one of the people who wants the ai images to just stop
will that help a mass-scale leftist movement form and avoid splits?
I love how the propaganda bots have persuaded everyone to focus on whether or not this image was made with AI, and everyone completely forgot about the very positive and constructive message in this image.
they’re not bots, everyone is sick of AI slop everywhere, and it’s especially distasteful to use it for activism messaging, an extremely human endeavor.
if there’s any shill-bots involved, they’re creating and promoting these while downvoting human made art because the ai argument is inevitable.
in fact, the amount and ratio of upvotes compared to people actually writing out complaints proves that i’m right.
appropriate username, btw…
Can you explain how this line of argumentation gets socialism any closer to seizing power? I am willing to listen.
I often see people giving others flack for switching to Proton because their CEO etc.
But any step in the right direction should be praised, Proton etc. Is far from perfect, but it’s so much better then never moving away from Google / Microsoft etc.
Upvote cause good point, but I have to really mention that OpSec is a black and white thing.
You make one OpSec mistake and you’re cooked. Look how they got Ross Ulbricht.
Meshtastic seems to me to be easiest to have good OpSec at the moment and I really hope we can develop it further.
Isn’t meshtastic unencrypted radio transmission?
It supports encryption. I think encryption is only forbidden when using ham radio
I believe all mechtastic channels are encrypted, it’s just that the default channel’s key is preloaded so that everyone can use it as a “public” channel.
The CEO was saying that Trumps pick to help fight big business was great, not that Trump himself is great, the fact that so many people didn’t see to get that and instead just went, Proton CEO likes Trump! blew my mind
And he was also wrong about that point as well.
This reply by @[email protected] on the original post may help someone here:
Imperfect Allies Aren’t Enemies
- Critique to build, not tear down
- Organize, don’t just argue
- Movements win, not individuals
- Perfection is the enemy of progress
- Ego kills movements
- Plan for the long game
- Meet people where they are
- Power doesn’t care about feelings
- Division is a weapon used by elites, don’t play along
All of these rules would have helped the Occupy Wall Street back in the day
daily reminder that luddites weren’t against new tech out of fear or misunderstanding, they were against the owner class hoarding all extra productivity as wealth instead of reducing workload and/or increasing pay for the workers alongside tech advancements.
Sabotaging new tools and machines hinders progress.
If we didn’t have sewing machines or washing machines we’d be spending so much time on clothing.
New technology comes with issues, and wealth needs to be distributed.
But if we didn’t use new technology we’d still be in the stone age.
Your mistake is to ignore the 90% of “new technology” that never got anywhere. “new” doesn’t automatically mean that it is useful and will succeed much in the same way that “old” doesn’t automatically mean it is reliable and has been used for a good reason.
Sure but, Why sabotage new technology?
Let it be survival of the fittest.
The invention of Email cost many people in the paper industry their jobs. But the world is a better place with email instead of post.
There is a price to progress.
Nobody is sabotaging new technology, some of them are just crap all on their own and AI certainly falls into that category.
I wouldn’t lump all of AI together tbh. If it’s used to help doctors diagnose things (like early stage cancer or whatever) or used to better sort flashcards for you when you’re using those to learn something? What we call AI (I’m honestly kinda missing the “I” part everywhere) can be awesome there.
The absolute garbage that should never have existed is this so-called “creative AI” that just regurgitates bits of previously stolen art.
A lot of the classification stuff is crap too, like that one that was meant to identify tanks in satellite images but turned out to just pick images with clouds instead.
Mostly it is this whole new generation of AI where nobody really understands how it gets to the result and nobody can incrementally improve things that is a problem.
Classic machine learning with neural nets and similar mechanisms is just as good or bad as it was before the current hype.
Yeah I agree there. The term “AI” is treated as if it were the coming of God and the solution to all (non)existing problems and who would dare question God when he looks into your face? (Provided you believe in God that is.) Which is a major part of the actually existing problem with that stuff.
People already look at me funny when I call a smartphone my language’s equivalent of “mobile phone”. I always explain that well… it may be a phone among things, but it’s NOT smart. Yet somehow many seem to believe that because it has “smart” in it’s name it’s actually better, when actually it really heavily depends on what you want/need.
I’m commenting on the cartoon shared that seems to praise past movements where people sabotaged sewing machines etc.
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Slop gets dropped
It doesn’t matter. Buy European, comrade.
You’re doing exactly what it warns against right now.
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Low-quality bait
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I know you guys will be the last to figure this out but AI isn’t 4 fingered slop anymore, it’s now making memes and images that are genuinely great
isn’t 4 fingered slop anymore
would you rather:
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build cohesive movements
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have an internet argument about a cartoon otter
How does the lazily made cartoon otter do anything at all?
So if we say we like the AI slop you’ll go fix problems in the world?
We all know you came here to whine about the otter.
We all know what’s required to remove fascists from power.
You shouldn’t clutch pearls about actual leftists not wanting to give power back to the Neoliberals. Neoliberalism is a dying right wing ideology and we’re done pretending rich white Neoliberals who suck rich cock will ever improve the lives of regular people.
- Critique to build, not tear down
- Organize, don’t just argue
- Ego kills movements
- Division is a weapon used by elites, don’t play along
These ones in particular.
People in this thread slinging around insults trying to upset each others ’ egos and start quarrels.
*choose the lesser of two evils, despite the option of not choosing evil always being an option
*keep the Neoliberals and their rich doners in power
*shrug shoulders and make up excuses instead of allowing real change to happen.
Neoliberals have helped push the country right for over 50 years, we are done learning this lesson.
The leftists will not be shamed into letting the Neoliberals keep us down any longer.
This election the Neoliberals can get with the program or get the fuck out of the way
There needs to be a large movement to oppose the neoliberal parties. And that requires avoiding schisms. And starting arguments about every little thing isn’t the way to do that.
Communist movements have seized power by building broad movements of national liberation + the proletariat + the peasant class + the semi-proletariat + the petty bourgeoisie.
Communist movements have failed when they let faddists and cranks ventilate their opinions on vaccination, vegetarianism, technology, etc. and derail the movement. Internal discord is the chief enemy.
Socialism is seizing the means of production from the private capitalists. Agreed? If you’re on board with that, you’re a comrade, even though we may disagree about trivial matters like cartoons.
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I’m not sure why you’d expect the anthropomorphized otter to have the correct number of fingers regardless of how it was made.
If it was made with care then I’d expect some thought to be put into it. If it were like the Simpsons or a number of other cartoons for example, wherein a finger is intentionally omitted as an artistic choice, then that would justify a lack of accuracy. The finger count wasn’t even something that I brought up, and I didn’t even look into it in this case until someone else erroneously thought that my gripe was a lack of realism in the message. My gripe is a lack of human in the message, especially when someone wants there to be an imitation of one.
A medium posing as human craft is apathy for the presentation and therein exploitation of the audience. It’s like those spam letters I get sometimes that are made to look handwritten with a supposedly real human’s signature but are just factory-made and stamped on with a mechanized print pad and all they want is to solicit something from me via deception.
all they want is to solicit something from me via deception.
What is it trying to deceive you about and solicit from you?
LOL
edit: I’m worried you may have missed the point so here’s another one, are the number of fingers correct on this one?
What about this one?
A Potemkin is a Potemkin, regardless of how well it deceives
You do realise the otter is holding a sign written in english asking for left wing progressives to be a little less militant right? and you looked up on wikipedia the number of fingers an otter has?
Slop gets dropped. If there’s not a human behind the content, then I’m not going to consume or value it and I will do what I can to disadvantage it.
You’re not going to convince of a message by referring me to a clear piece of propaganda as a source. If one were to do what this user did and simply type out a message instead of ensconcing it in artificiality then I’d listen.
You’re the one that brought up the number of fingers, underscoring how little examination you even gave to that which you attempt to justify. Don’t attempt to deceive others by framing that as my position.
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You’re the one that brought up the number of fingers, underscoring how little examination you even gave
Right… I duno about you but I spend on average about a few seconds looking at the average meme image, I’m not deep inspecting it and looking up on wikipedia to ensure it has the correct amount of limbs or fingers or feet or toes or whatever.
Anyway I gotta go, the stock market is about to open and it’s important that I watch the charts
You know that 4 fingers was a cartoon thing since long ago, right? Donald duck has 4 fingers, for example
The perfection over progress is killing us.
Progress over perfection is what killed it.
Constantly capitulating to a Liberalist movement and lesser-eviling the ratchet all the way to where we are now.
Yeah but if you vote for Hillary this time then the old white Neoliberals who refuse to relinquish power will get to hold onto their power and their quality of life at the expense of the rest of us.
Did you ever think about that?
Yeah but if you vote for Hillary this time
What is it with Yanks always trying to make everything about themselves? Do they know they’re doing it?
Just block this comm @[email protected]
Yes, that’s clearly much worse than what’s going on right now. By the way, how do you plan on spending your time when you get a free vacation to El Salvador courtesy of the Trump Administration?
Just kidding - You won’t have a choice in how you spend your time, you’ll be too busy performing slave labor.
They might lose a few trying to take me.
I’m not going to El Salvador.
That dopamine squirt you get for saying these edgy things feels good right? You’re like an internet troll drug addict hybrid!
If only the [insert subgroup that vaguely annoys me] would listen to this!
I’m all for the resistance, but I thought this was going to be about bowel movements.
Don’t play along?
I think it’s connected to the line above, i.e. don’t play along with the elites.
Ok, I see. The imperfect allies one is the first one.
Did an AI make this image?
Meeting in the middle has turned a country of union supporters into fascists in less than 50 years.
We’ve been falling for the “lesser of two evils” rhetoric since Nixon.
Neoliberals are on the same team as the oligarchs.
movement-building ≠ meeting in the middle
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_58.htm
Leftists letting Neoliberals have all the power is not working together, it’s conceding to an occupying power.
Sorry but means testing and shrugging our shoulders like the Neoliberals have done for 50 years pushes the country further Right.
We’re done learning this lesson and now we’re doing something different.
This time it’s the Neoliberals that can get on board or get the fuck out of the way.
The Americans have a garbage left for a lot of reasons, but a lot of it is self-inflicted.
Their refusal to build consensus and instead doing the holier-than-thou internet-argument thing is obviously not the way to gather tens of millions or hundreds of millions together and take power.
Feeling purer than someone on the internet gives a short-term ego-boost, but it isn’t the way to build a political movement among hundreds of millions of people with diverse opinions.
You really just seem ignorant of what has happened.
The NEOLIBERALS who have been in 100% control of the Democratic party, who have had multiple majorities in my lifetime, have passed maybe 1 single law that caused a systemic change that was beneficial to the regular person (Medicaid)
The NEOLIBERALS, despite proving they are impotent or complicit in the oligarchy, are allowed to keep power.
The mistake we keep making is allowing the impotent or complicit to keep gaining power and freezing progress.
This yank coming in to a non-American comm and shouting for attention for American issues smh
Yes I’m fairly ignorant of that country. I’ve heard they’ve never had a left-wing party with mass support though.
To build a left-wing party with mass support will require people with diverse opinions on many things to work together and keep focused on the base (i.e. the means of production)
The unionists had huge support in the US until the US made it legal for the government to use propaganda against its own people to fight “communism”, which just allowed the rich owned news system to start lying to people and sowing hatred between workers, slowly killing unions and making people afraid to support leftist ideologies because of the Red Scare.
Neither the Republicans or Democrats have offered solutions to the money that controls our political processes either because they are too weak or too complicit.
