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Ubuntu minus the binary-blobs and corpo-junk = the good distro of Trisquel
That sounds like Debian with extra steps (and a fancy kernel).
Ubuntu, but good? It’s called Debian.
Been on Ubuntu for years. Only use it for general computer work. Works just fine.
Am I stupid?
Nah. Ubuntu gets hate for some good reasons, but it’s still a fine distro, especially if you’re happy with it.
Nah, it’s pretty great
Not as polished as Pop I think, but good and getting better
In terms of polish Ubuntu is excellent. Problem is their policies and stupid decisions over the years, resulting in really unnecessary tech problems for anyone who wants more than just install apps via their App Store. Not to mention the inbuilt ads for Amazon, like, 10 years ago… or them recently deciding that it would be a good idea to alias some apt commands, so if you’re a power user and try to install f.e. Firefox with your CLI it would instead execute the command to install it as snap. Shit like that is just outright disrespectful to the user.
Firefox with your CLI it would instead execute the command to install it as snap. Shit like that is just outright disrespectful to the user.
I get it and, at the same time, I get it.
Ubuntu needs to be able to deliver with some level of guarantee for its corporate clients, which means testing. A browser like Firefox has a lot of dynamically linked libraries. How do ensure that it works with all reasonable combinations? 10 libraries with 2 supported versions each is 1024 combinations. A browser will have more libraries and more compatible versions of each, which leads to a massive number of combinations. Nothing like having a support customer with issues because a very specific patch version doesn’t work with another very specific patch version.
Compare that to snap. 1 artifact that contains all dynamically linked libraries. 1 artifact to test and support.
So, now Canonical has a tested and supported snap for a security sensitive application, whose method of delivery also isolates it from the host it runs on. Should they point users to that? Or some upstream binary that may have the above compatibility issues and lacks isolation, and wasn’t tested by them.
Short of it is that DLLs made a lot more sense when storage was expensive and programs were smaller. Now, they are problematic. Containers are a way to address that without having to update a ton of software, and they also improve security. If they hadn’t done it, the community would have torn them a new one for keeping the good stuff for their corporate clients.
That said, there have been a lot of missteps. The inability to have a self-hosted store of snaps (this may have changed since I last checked) and improper packaging of apps like Steam are good examples of this. On the other hand, PCSX2’s 32-bit version ran just fine long after Ubuntu went 64-bit-only.
That’s a good argument for Snaps & Flatpaks, not for putting an alias in place so “apt install Firefox” gets translated to “snap install org.mozilla.firefox” (or whatever the exact app name is). Corporate clients manage their systems as a fleet anyway, if the IT department sets it up a certain way their employees don’t fiddle with this stuff. There’s no good argument to redirect a users’ CLI commands to whatever Canonical believes is better.
That’s a good point. I think Canonical offers some services where they will actively support your system, so it makes economic sense for them to make choices that limit transparency a bit for stability and predictability.
I think the dislike comes from the fact that Ubuntu was and still is many people’s intro to Debian based OSes, and it’s just not as user-centric as it used to be. Thankfully alternatives like Mint exist to bring it back a little bit for people who care.
Mint?
Definitely Mint.
Defimintly.
Ubuntu minus snaps plus a better DE? Mint.
Yes, Mint with Pantheon. As the founding fathers intended.
So unsnapped ElementaryOS?
Yep with a better upgrading path, unless they fixed the whole “nuke your OS to upgrade” thing.
Debian is a decent Ubuntu based OS 🫳🎤
You just killed 7 senior citizens
Help, I’ve dist-upgraded and i can’t [symbol ‘grub_calloc’ not found]
Is this from a high res texture pack for sims 1?
Took me straight back to unreal tournament days (or was it quake 2?)
Debian is a better version of Ubuntu.
Mint, Debian
Hannah Montana Linux?
HML was last updated in 2009, I’d recommend Justin Bieber Linux instead.
No need to update when you’ve reached perfection
Pop!_OS.
Just switched to Fedora, bit having used Ubuntu before… yeah, never again lmao.
Popos or Debian?
Mint
popos and steamos
SteamOS is just Arch but also immutable
So Kubuntu then?
I don’t mind LMDE, but opensuse really has came into its own with kde6
How would you convince me to use opensuse, what makes it so nice?
Hopefully someone more technical can pitch it, but it did feel very easy to set up and use. The utilities that it comes with just feel very well designed and thought out. If Debian was gone tomorrow, I’d probably try openSUSE again.
Snapper. But you also install Snapper on other distros.
Not my problem what you use.
Try it or don’t
Okay, thanks for your effort
Kubuntu isn’t too bad
I moved off of Nobara to Kubuntu LTS. Tried out Mint and Ubuntu before hand and gotta say, I am loving Kubuntu. I am hoping it is the last time I have to distro hop
If you have a moment to indulge a random person…
What made you feel the need to switch off of Nobara? I’ve been using it and it’s been fine, but I’d love to know some things to keep an eye out for
I found it to be unstable. I ran into updates causing major problems way too often. The last update got stuck and I was just so fed up I dumped the OS. Ubuntu has the LTS version that has way less often of updates, and that appealed to me. But I don’t like gnome so I went with Kubuntu cause its on KDE
Nvidia? Zero issues here on an all AMD setup.
I do have Nvidia. I wish I didn’t tho
Me too. I feel dirty
I found me a cheap rx 6600 on Facebook and snag it. Already had an AMD processor. Life has been amazing away from Nvidia.
Daily-driving Nobara with NVIDIA, (almost) no issues whatsoever here.
Granted, I ain’t the person you responded to and it’s anecdotal, but… Yeah 😅
I feel like I might have just been fairly unlucky. Maybe I got hardware it doesnt like, or maybe I fucked something up at some point (fairly plausible considering I’m still fairly nooby to Linux). Not gonna put the blame on Nobara, but I do feel its updates are too frequent for my taste (which only exasterbated the problem).
Good to hear. I hope it stays that way. Although, I’m pretty sure people with the 5000 series wouldn’t say the same.
Thanks for taking the time!
If you haven’t had issues with Nobara (I never have), stick with it. It’s way more current, and Kubuntu has been a buggy mess on any hardware I’ve ever used it.
Yeah I don’t plan on switching unless I feel like I need to… Knowing what made others give up just helps me from wasting time fighting through something that might be a common issue…
I picked Nobara for it to be no-hassle, which it’s done a great job of for me so far
I JUST switched to Nobara last week, and this comment stressed me out. Lmao.
It’s been good so far, but will see.
Yes. My gaming rig has been on Pop for years now.
I hate the idea of still being on Pop. But it’s so damned pleasant.
Now on the Cosmic alpha.
What I’ve noticed is that System76 doesn’t have as good of QA process compared to something like Linux Mint or Fedora. Not to say that it is bad but that’s my personal experience.
I don’t disagree with that. They’re also a much smaller group so I think it just stands to reason.
But I do appreciate that they’re taking chances (probably for the same reason). Cosmic is quite impressive already and a good alternative to Gnome/KDE/Cinnamon; better than the Pop Shell on Gnome.
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Am I crazy for finding this unnecessary? I’ve never cared about an edited comment, let alone the reason why a person edited it.
IMO from personal experience I tend to half care.
I personally wouldn’t leave in, “Edit: a word,” but if I change the substance of a comment in any meaningful way I like to leave an edit to say what changed.
Particularly for when someone already replied to my comment or may already be replying to my comment. I would be afraid of accidentally trying to gaslight someone lol.
This one makes sense actually.
Maybe it is. I always considered it a courtesy since otherwise it can be difficult to see what was edited. It’s from my reddit days.
Just to be clear, I’m in no way judging, but just wondering. :)
Yep yep, I didn’t take offense. Tbh idk why I still do it. Just habit I guess.
Edit: I made an edit but I won’t say what it was. :)
And that’s 100% ok.
