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How big would the “Victims of Capitalism” monument be?
It will have roughly a diameter of 12’700 km.
You’re living on it
At this point isn’t this monument just a blatant anti-communist propaganda piece? If the people this monument honors are Nazis, then maybe building it at all was not a good idea.
Imagine if they try to save the monument and replace it with one with no names on it. Lol.
Victims of communism was created by the CIA to spread anti communist propaganda. There are few if any facts in any of their ridiculous statements.
The only real victims of communism were Nazis, kings, and people that aided those groups. Any monument with random names from ‘victims’ will only realistically have Nazis on it.
The only real victims of communism …
That is 100% false. In the German Democratic Republic people got killed for trying to get out. Victims of communism as an organisation is bullshit, but there is no need to act as if there weren’t some people who seriously died unfairly.
There were plenty of gay victims of (USSR) communism.
Of course, I’m sure the monuments these conservatives love don’t have any of those names
Don’t they also count Soviet abortions as “victims of communism”?
If the people this monument honors are Nazis,
One name of a Nazi collaborator was found there. It’s absolutely ridiculous to leap from that to “this is a monument honoring Nazis.”
Millions of people were killed by Stalin. It’s little wonder that a few objectionable names might be scattered among them.
Millions of people were killed by Stalin
Ok, but was Stalin a communist? Because the USSR sure as hell didn’t seem like a classless, stateless society
Victims of Communism memorial faces call to remove over 330 names linked to Nazis, fascists out of 550! MOST OF THEM.
This has been known for a long time. Back in 2021 Victims of communism memorial received donations honouring fascists, Nazi collaborators, according to website
At least one of them was killed for collaborating with nazis. Why did Stalin kill the rest of them?
Cause Stalin was an autocratic douchebag who used people for his own power games?
Doesn’t really have a whole lot to do with communism, though.
Boy, tankies will pull out everything to defend an authoritarian regime that killed millions.
Turns out lots of nazis [collaborators] are victims of comunism
Thanks, Harper.
I can’t read the article because of their goddamn newsletter signup form that they won’t allow me to close! 😵
Shit, that’s all of them
TBF, the decline of Germany and rise of Hitler did involve a lot of communist influence towards the start.
Kind of the same vibe as ruining a kids life and then being partially responsible for every bad thing he does.
They should remove the name tho.
Fascism emerged as an appropriation of revolutionary left strategies in service of right-wing ideology. That’s why the Nazis adopted the name “national socialists.” At the time the word socialist was used to refer to pretty much any populist working class movement. Blaming communists for fascism is a bit like seeing one of those spiders that mimics ants and blaming the ants.
Not everything anti-establishment is left or right. The strategies the nazis used were false flags and complete narrative control followed by regulatory capture, martial law, and then finally taking what they wanted by force.
If you claim those tactics for your ideology then I don’t associate with you.
You’re probably referring to right wing populism, right?
The strategies I’m referring to are best summed up as populism, yes. The left vs right terminology originally referred to those who opposed or supported monarchy, respectively. In Weimar Germany those who opposed the political establishment in favor of working class movements were considered socialist, irrespective of their other beliefs.
What I’m saying is that as capital S Socialism gained popularity among the working class, fascist movements appropriated the Socialists populist methods, taking advantage of the work that Socialists had already done in organizing working class opposition to the political establishment. The majority were not ideologues, they simply knew the status quo was not serving them and were looking for explanations, which at one point only Socialists were providing (though arguably not very effectively). That’s when fascism emerged to provide an alternative explanation; one which was not a threat to the wealthy and powerful, and played into the deep-rooted prejudices of the time.
Well yes of course, in this context communism and socialism aren’t very literal aside from the parties empty promises. That was a given in the historical context, as there has never been a true communism by definition.
Haha what? This is a take I have never heard before. What part of hitlers ideology was influenced by communism exactly? Weird for the nazis to be influenced by an ideology that they actively hated and crushed as soon as they were in power haha
Gosh, I wonder what communism had to do with the rise of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. The Weimar Republic laid the foundations for rejection of the democratic parliament, which Hitler then took advantage of to assume uncontestable power. The major reason Germany jumped to the conservative right politically was news of the political uprisings in Soviet Russia and the splitting of left factions into small uncooperative groups.
Hitler transformed the party to be strongly anti-communist and anti-bolshevist (though mostly bolshevist was used as a dogwhistle for jewish people), but the fact remains that Nazi Germany was built on the foundations laid by communists.
It absolutely wasn’t but whatever man you do you. Like none of what you said was what I asked but whatever. Blaming the communists for the Nazi’s is just a really stupid take and is just a total lack of understanding of history.
I kinda have to disagree with you. The other commentator was explaining their reasoning and they are in a certain way right, the rise of the soviet union definitely influenced politics in the rest of Europe. But it is in the end just victim blaming the left political scene of the time.
Aka “if the poor wouldn’t have gotten uppity, the middle and rich class wouldn’t have needed to vote for the fascists.” And that part is the bullshit, were I totally agree with you.
Yeah exactly we are on the same page here. His first comment was implying that the nazis ideology was based on communist ideologies which was misleading at best.
Yeah, there was even at the time already caricatures about the hypocrisy of the Nazis:
)Haha yeah I’ve seen similar caricatures like this.
You are actually defending the people who split the votes and spoiled left wing politicians in Weimar Germany leading to consecutive failures to form government and eventual nazi takeover. What skin do you have in this game?
If it was post-nazi takeover then I can see the merit in supporting the now underground nazi resistance of the communist party of Germany, but from 1919 to 1933 they did nothing but shit the bed.
