And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don’t promise anything that will help the working class. Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class, and for the last 50 years Democrats have just been great at finding excuses for why they can’t do something. Do you think Trump will listen to the parliamentarian if they disagree with something?
Fuck, Democrats have even been voting for his cabinet picks, despite claiming Trump is a fascist. They all voted to confirm Marco Rubio.
And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don’t promise anything that will help the working class.
what about biden? Dude was pretty popular with blue collar workers, and pushed a lot of good relevant legislation.
Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class
this is factually, not fascism, i feel like im speaking with nazis trying to “subvert” the normie population and “enlighten” them or whatever the fuck groypers do.
You’re either purposely misunderstanding my post, or just obtuse. I’m saying fascists get elected when democracy fails to solve people’s problems, not that that unresponsiveness is fascism itself. Look at Weimar Germany and Italy.
to be clear, what you said is an extremely obtuse way to say that “people elect fascists when they want a fascist”
people are acting like it’s some fucking new world order plot to overthrow the US government with fascism, but like actually, a bunch of idiots with the ability to vote did it.
also, if you wanted to make that statement more generally accurate, “fascism happens when the people feel that traditional government has failed them” since fascism tends to be primarily opportunist by nature.
“The purpose of a system is what it does”. If our system consistently produces shit candidates, shit policies, shit results and demoralizes voters… Then we have a shit system and nothing will ever improve until we demand a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation and safe guards against fascism.
Multiparty democracy would be fantastic but that’s a goal if we make it through this crisis. A more realistic (yet still fanciful) plan would be to destroy the Democratic party and create something new from the ashes. First past the post is here to stay for a long time.
Going to one of the many forms of preferential voting/ Ranked Choice Voting would work. That both major parties vehemently oppose changing first past the post should tell you that such a change would be effective in breaking their power.
This is certainly a viewpoint, but I don’t necessarily agree when people state it as if it’s a foregone conclusion.
Starve the beast exists. They purposefully cripple these systems, and if you were to adhere to that statement, then it means that we should do away with the systems altogether because they’re currently broken (read: sabotaged).
Someone responded to me with this a while back. The purpose of a system is what it does. I shot back some shit, but then I thought about it. They’re right. The purpose of a system is what it does. It became clear to me. It literally does not matter in the real world what the creators of a system say it is for. The purpose of the system is what it does.
I mean… no. The purpose of the Department of Education has been very clear. Just because they fire a shitload of people, and make it so they cannot perform their function for the time being, does not mean that the purpose of the Department has changed.
The purpose remains, the Department just needs to be fixed so that it can continue to serve its purpose.
This is how I used to think. But we need to simplify things in order to approach them with appropriate action. The original purpose of USAID, NOAA, Department of Education, those don’t matter at the moment. It’s hard to articulate, but when you get down to it, the purpose of the system is what it does. No, over arching beliefs, vision, or plans from the founders will not work right now. The purpose of a system is what it does.
I don’t want to argue with you anymore comrade. Please give a read to the link. Just a few days ago I would have had the same response as you.
I believe that’s wrong, sorry. At least in the case of government agencies. Maybe it applies to other types of systems, and maybe it even applied to government agencies prior to Trump’s actions, but no. Not anymore at least. I feel like maybe you don’t understand how government agencies are structured and how they function if you believe it’s that simple and lacking in nuance.
These agencies are not monoliths. There are still people working in the Department of Education, career bureaucrats, experts in their specific field, that are still working toward the stated goals of the Department of Education. They will continue to do so until they’re forced to stop. Capitulating and just admitting defeat, just because the fascists that have seized power have made those goals far more difficult to achieve, is exactly what they want you to do. Don’t fall for the trap.
I hear you. What I’m advocating does veer into philosophy when what we need is action. I don’t claim to know every nuance of these bureaucracies, but I have worked within them, as a civilian. I do understand that this pump action shotgun approach to surgery is absurd. Believe me, you and I are on the same team here!
I don’t advocate admitting defeat at all. In fact I think everyone 'resigning in protest ’ right now is just taking the easy way out. I do hope for an end to this madness, but it seems like the train’s just left the station.
What I’m advocating is an approach to systems theory, nothing more. Stay safe in the months ahead.
It’s a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.
With the amount of screaming and championing that the Dems have ignored I refuse to believe it’s incompetence or ignorance. This is wilful and active support for the party they claim they’re in opposition to.
Cool but I’m actually asking who you blame in the 1930s. In the 2020s I think the dems loved the idea of opposing Trump when they thought it was easy and not when they didn’t. But i can also see scenarios in which they acted how they did while hating the whole situation
It’s a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.
Yup, in other words post WW1 German society as a whole. People don’t get to blame Dems without laying blame on themselves as part of this present society.
on a scale of who’s most to blame, it’s the nazis.
yup. that’s my point, sometimes users on Lemmy (and other left-leaning sites) imply that Dems are much more to blame than trumpists. Ultimately it’s the people who voted for trump and then the people stayed at home, and then the Democrats.
Yes, we should, as liberalism works for capitalism and capitalism always leads to fascism. Rosa Luxembourg said it best, socialism or barbarism. But Marx and Engels described the end stage of capitalism almost 100 years before fascism.
They’re not an opposition. They famously will not act like one. They’re complicit. After this loss and the lack of resistance I’m done. I’ve canvassed and fought for Dems for almost two decades and I could count our number of “Wins” on one hand. What a colossal waste of my time and effort.
Dems/Reps aren’t the same because they’re just as bad as each other, they’re bad because they’re both on the same team. The Dems had multiple chances to stop this and actively chose not to. It was a trolly problem with no one on the other tracks.
That’s not true, the professional managerial class (“coastal liberal elites”) that Harris laundered a billion dollars through only to lose and their donors aka the “good billionaires” (words of the new dnc chair not mine) were on the other tracks.
Democrats fielded someone who wasn’t a criminal IN A BINARY CHOICE.
It’s baffling how stupid people are. Just vote for the person who isn’t a rapist bent on destroying the country. Like “see the man-child who can’t keep his hands to himself? Vote for the candidate who isn’t him.”
Stop whining that Dems didn’t field mother Theresa.
Stop whining that Dems didn’t field mother Theresa.
I voted for Harris, but she was an accessory to Biden’s genocide of Palestine. So don’t pretend like she was a decent candidate. Her refusal to condemn genocide was monsterous and made her completely unfit for office, but she just happened to be the lesser evil so I voted for her.
Our system is just rotten beyond redemption. Conservatives ratchet the country towards oligarchy while Liberals act as bulwark against socialist reform that would actually help the working class.
It’s been ages now, it’s getting to be like that all over the world. You don’t vote for a candidate. You vote against the raving lunatics. It’s starting to be like that everywhere. Do you really think you’re going to find a politician you’re going to want to vote for? What are you? 8?
Liberals: genocide is ok with us so long as our team wins.
Is the bar for candidates in fucking hell? How about you grow up and gain a fucking conscience? This isn’t John Kerry in 2004 this is a fucking genocider.
People keep defending not voting for Harris by saying she was for “genocide”. But not voting for Harris allowed genocide on a scale that voting for Harris never would have -> so people who are clearly FOR genocide keep saying they avoided voting for Harris because they are somehow against genocide…
The original was saying they voted, so not in this particular case, except where they are saying the same thing, but I keep seeing that Harris=genocide response on here every other day, when we can clearly see (and from project 2025 could clearly see a year earlier) that the other option was a full blown nazi state which will kill millions. Got a very easy option to stop it before it started, with the added bonus that the Harris government would have been more responsive to protests (at this point, anything would have been more responsive to protests) and could have been then pressured to not go along with the Israeli occupation. Instead these people choose (and are keeping to defend their choice) to kill a few millions out of… idk, spite? Including the people they are claiming to protect by not choosing Harris. Especially them.
And right now I’m not sure if they are horrified by the blood that will be on their hands (better option) or trying to push the “don’t support the dems no matter what” narrative to stop any coherent movement (propaganda bots). I’m guessing the latter in most cases, because they include AOC, who would definitely organize, IF there was some support which there isn’t.
Everybody’s so very sure the “other side” is blindsided by propaganda, but the fact is that both sides are blindsided by propaganda. It’s pushing the nazis to act and pushing the woke to sit back and wait or run around like headless chicken and backstab their own. But you are both pushed.
tl;dr: the Harris=genocide narrative will still cause harm by stopping any support for dems organizing which is why social media is flooded with it right now
Stop blaming voters and start blaming democrats. It’s THEIR fault they lost to fascist criminal when they ran a genocider and refused to hold a primary
Stop blaming your tools for what you do with them. Letting them run unchecked is what led here. Politicians should be kept in line by replacing them if they misbehave. People didn’t do that, people stopped doing that decades ago, and now everybody is playing shocked Pikatchu.
I voted in every election and every primary since I was old enough to vote. It doesn’t matter. They don’t work for us they work for their donors, the capitalists.
And of the so called “left” in this country has been so distracted by virtue signaling performative identity politics that while the right wing stuffed the courts and school boards the “left” put pronouns in their bios, painted rainbows in the road and marched with pussy hats on. Performative nonsense.
Meanwhile the actual left that never took their eyes off the prize - class consciousness and fighting capitalism - they’ve never had any power at all in this country. Remember how the democrats tried to smear Bernie sanders as sexist and racist? Because he dared to initially stay focused purely on economic and foreign policy issues? And Bernie was a compromise! He’s a milquetoast social democrat. The liberals will paint rainbows in the road and wear kente cloth and kneel in congress but they’re never gonna piss off their corporate donors.
Harris is a neoliberal in favor of genocide and Israel. If she wanted to win all she had to do was stand for Palestine and/or healthcare.
and yet the guy who thought bombing gaza with a nuclear bomb would be a good idea was the one that won the election, so you’re working uphill against a slippery slope with that argument my friend, because it seems like, nobody really gave a fuck.
The sad truth is that a large portion of our countrymen do not care about Gaza. The Dem’s are wasting time on what is essentially a minority issue in this country. It’s not an election winning topic here. They need to focus on the economy at home first and foremost. The majority are short sighted and selfish and as I get older I genuinely question if a true democracy is even possible when the masses are so easily swayed by social media and bullshit. Just to be clear I’m not advocating for fascism, I just don’t have any ideas.
I’m talking about shit that’s happening right now, if the party had changed I wouldn’t be bringing it up. To move forward, the Democrats need to change leadership to people who will fight for their constituents instead of pointing fingers at them for ‘not voting hard through’, never mind that for most people outside swing states their presidential votes don’t even matter to begin with.
The party and the media spent years telling people that Biden was fine to run even though everyone with eyes could see he was declining, they made sure there was no competitive primary and then parachuted in a candidate that dropped out before Iowa when she last ran for President. And after this whole exercise, they’re still surprised the electorate doesn’t trust them despite being lied to for years about this and a bunch of other stuff.
I still think Trump actually is a terrible candidate, Democrats just consistently manage to find worse candidates on their side.
Democrats just consistently manage to find worse candidates on their side.
Harris would have beat Trump if she promised to fight for universal healthcare or free college. Or if she had simply not sprinted to the right by wanting to build Trump’s wall and promising to put Republicans in her cabinet. It was honestly impressive how hard Harris worked to throw the election.
She probably would’ve done better if she hadn’t done that and put some distance between her and Biden, but obviously that’s tricky when you were actually part of the admin. When I say she was the worse candidate I don’t really mean her personally, it’s more about what the electorate was looking for, which means more of an outsider who was willing to say how things could’ve been handled better by the previous administration instead of saying everything’s great.
Blah blah blah. Lemmy has an endless supplying armchair political experts. The what the dems did done wrong has been covered endlessly. You contribute nothing. You are a distraction. You benefit Trump and musk. And the more you and your ilk do this the more it benefits them.
The brigading that occurs every time I mention this not matter how I phrase it is very telling. The spread of this message of hopelessness is your goal.
And Democrats were warned that they need to stop putting their thumbs on the scale to push the most dog shit candidates that don’t promise anything that will help the working class. Fascism happens when democracy is unresponsive to the needs of the working class, and for the last 50 years Democrats have just been great at finding excuses for why they can’t do something. Do you think Trump will listen to the parliamentarian if they disagree with something?
Fuck, Democrats have even been voting for his cabinet picks, despite claiming Trump is a fascist. They all voted to confirm Marco Rubio.
what about biden? Dude was pretty popular with blue collar workers, and pushed a lot of good relevant legislation.
this is factually, not fascism, i feel like im speaking with nazis trying to “subvert” the normie population and “enlighten” them or whatever the fuck groypers do.
You’re either purposely misunderstanding my post, or just obtuse. I’m saying fascists get elected when democracy fails to solve people’s problems, not that that unresponsiveness is fascism itself. Look at Weimar Germany and Italy.
to be clear, what you said is an extremely obtuse way to say that “people elect fascists when they want a fascist”
people are acting like it’s some fucking new world order plot to overthrow the US government with fascism, but like actually, a bunch of idiots with the ability to vote did it.
also, if you wanted to make that statement more generally accurate, “fascism happens when the people feel that traditional government has failed them” since fascism tends to be primarily opportunist by nature.
And voters were warned with years of inaction that they needed to start being more engaged.
The reason we have so many shit candidates is because people don’t show up for the real ones.
“The purpose of a system is what it does”. If our system consistently produces shit candidates, shit policies, shit results and demoralizes voters… Then we have a shit system and nothing will ever improve until we demand a modern multiparty democracy with proportional representation and safe guards against fascism.
Multiparty democracy would be fantastic but that’s a goal if we make it through this crisis. A more realistic (yet still fanciful) plan would be to destroy the Democratic party and create something new from the ashes. First past the post is here to stay for a long time.
Going to one of the many forms of preferential voting/ Ranked Choice Voting would work. That both major parties vehemently oppose changing first past the post should tell you that such a change would be effective in breaking their power.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s easier to destroy the Democrats and replace them than fix FPTP voting.
This is certainly a viewpoint, but I don’t necessarily agree when people state it as if it’s a foregone conclusion.
Starve the beast exists. They purposefully cripple these systems, and if you were to adhere to that statement, then it means that we should do away with the systems altogether because they’re currently broken (read: sabotaged).
That is a bad take imo
Someone responded to me with this a while back. The purpose of a system is what it does. I shot back some shit, but then I thought about it. They’re right. The purpose of a system is what it does. It became clear to me. It literally does not matter in the real world what the creators of a system say it is for. The purpose of the system is what it does.
I mean… no. The purpose of the Department of Education has been very clear. Just because they fire a shitload of people, and make it so they cannot perform their function for the time being, does not mean that the purpose of the Department has changed.
The purpose remains, the Department just needs to be fixed so that it can continue to serve its purpose.
This is how I used to think. But we need to simplify things in order to approach them with appropriate action. The original purpose of USAID, NOAA, Department of Education, those don’t matter at the moment. It’s hard to articulate, but when you get down to it, the purpose of the system is what it does. No, over arching beliefs, vision, or plans from the founders will not work right now. The purpose of a system is what it does.
I don’t want to argue with you anymore comrade. Please give a read to the link. Just a few days ago I would have had the same response as you.
I believe that’s wrong, sorry. At least in the case of government agencies. Maybe it applies to other types of systems, and maybe it even applied to government agencies prior to Trump’s actions, but no. Not anymore at least. I feel like maybe you don’t understand how government agencies are structured and how they function if you believe it’s that simple and lacking in nuance.
These agencies are not monoliths. There are still people working in the Department of Education, career bureaucrats, experts in their specific field, that are still working toward the stated goals of the Department of Education. They will continue to do so until they’re forced to stop. Capitulating and just admitting defeat, just because the fascists that have seized power have made those goals far more difficult to achieve, is exactly what they want you to do. Don’t fall for the trap.
I hear you. What I’m advocating does veer into philosophy when what we need is action. I don’t claim to know every nuance of these bureaucracies, but I have worked within them, as a civilian. I do understand that this pump action shotgun approach to surgery is absurd. Believe me, you and I are on the same team here!
I don’t advocate admitting defeat at all. In fact I think everyone 'resigning in protest ’ right now is just taking the easy way out. I do hope for an end to this madness, but it seems like the train’s just left the station.
What I’m advocating is an approach to systems theory, nothing more. Stay safe in the months ahead.
All this means is “don’t give up.” You acknowledge it’s not serving its purpose right now, it’s serving some other purpose.
No. It means don’t throw out entire agencies wholesale because of some bullshit misunderstanding.
Yes, of course. Who is talking about throwing the Department of Education out wholesale?
So, the litmus test of this logic is this: Do we blame the opposition for the Nazi party? Should we start doing that too after 80 years?
It’s a concurrence. Who do you blame for the rise of the nazi party: the nazis who kept rigging the deck in their favor and sowing discord, the conservatives who enabled them, the ineffective social democrats whom people were disillusioned with, the people who held out against voting for them, or the people who basically were screaming at the latter three to do fucking something.
With the amount of screaming and championing that the Dems have ignored I refuse to believe it’s incompetence or ignorance. This is wilful and active support for the party they claim they’re in opposition to.
Cool but I’m actually asking who you blame in the 1930s. In the 2020s I think the dems loved the idea of opposing Trump when they thought it was easy and not when they didn’t. But i can also see scenarios in which they acted how they did while hating the whole situation
Yup, in other words post WW1 German society as a whole. People don’t get to blame Dems without laying blame on themselves as part of this present society.
The antifascists are the only ones who weren’t partly to blame. But also on a scale of who’s most to blame, it’s the nazis.
yup. that’s my point, sometimes users on Lemmy (and other left-leaning sites) imply that Dems are much more to blame than trumpists. Ultimately it’s the people who voted for trump and then the people stayed at home, and then the Democrats.
We have no opposition party lmao. Was it worth it for Harris to throw the election by siding with Israel? Neoliberals are also fascist.
Yes.
Yes, we should, as liberalism works for capitalism and capitalism always leads to fascism. Rosa Luxembourg said it best, socialism or barbarism. But Marx and Engels described the end stage of capitalism almost 100 years before fascism.
They’re not an opposition. They famously will not act like one. They’re complicit. After this loss and the lack of resistance I’m done. I’ve canvassed and fought for Dems for almost two decades and I could count our number of “Wins” on one hand. What a colossal waste of my time and effort.
Dems/Reps aren’t the same because they’re just as bad as each other, they’re bad because they’re both on the same team. The Dems had multiple chances to stop this and actively chose not to. It was a trolly problem with no one on the other tracks.
That’s not true, the professional managerial class (“coastal liberal elites”) that Harris laundered a billion dollars through only to lose and their donors aka the “good billionaires” (words of the new dnc chair not mine) were on the other tracks.
Democrats fielded someone who wasn’t a criminal IN A BINARY CHOICE.
It’s baffling how stupid people are. Just vote for the person who isn’t a rapist bent on destroying the country. Like “see the man-child who can’t keep his hands to himself? Vote for the candidate who isn’t him.”
Stop whining that Dems didn’t field mother Theresa.
I voted for Harris, but she was an accessory to Biden’s genocide of Palestine. So don’t pretend like she was a decent candidate. Her refusal to condemn genocide was monsterous and made her completely unfit for office, but she just happened to be the lesser evil so I voted for her.
Our system is just rotten beyond redemption. Conservatives ratchet the country towards oligarchy while Liberals act as bulwark against socialist reform that would actually help the working class.
Oh for fucks sake.
It’s been ages now, it’s getting to be like that all over the world. You don’t vote for a candidate. You vote against the raving lunatics. It’s starting to be like that everywhere. Do you really think you’re going to find a politician you’re going to want to vote for? What are you? 8?
If this is true (it isn’t) then why didnt Harris stand for Palestine, or even something basic like healthcare for all?
Liberals: genocide is ok with us so long as our team wins.
Is the bar for candidates in fucking hell? How about you grow up and gain a fucking conscience? This isn’t John Kerry in 2004 this is a fucking genocider.
Well now you’ll have an extra genocide in Ukraine since you care so much.
Then why didnt Harris stand with Palestine if you are so concerned about genocide?
Maybe the US shouldn’t of fucked with Ukraine back in mid 2010s and there wouldn’t be a war going on for the last three years 🙄
Of course you’re that kind of delusional. Figures.
I swear if somebody brings up genocide with Harris again when defending Trump…
how was that response defending trump?
People keep defending not voting for Harris by saying she was for “genocide”. But not voting for Harris allowed genocide on a scale that voting for Harris never would have -> so people who are clearly FOR genocide keep saying they avoided voting for Harris because they are somehow against genocide…
The original was saying they voted, so not in this particular case, except where they are saying the same thing, but I keep seeing that Harris=genocide response on here every other day, when we can clearly see (and from project 2025 could clearly see a year earlier) that the other option was a full blown nazi state which will kill millions. Got a very easy option to stop it before it started, with the added bonus that the Harris government would have been more responsive to protests (at this point, anything would have been more responsive to protests) and could have been then pressured to not go along with the Israeli occupation. Instead these people choose (and are keeping to defend their choice) to kill a few millions out of… idk, spite? Including the people they are claiming to protect by not choosing Harris. Especially them.
And right now I’m not sure if they are horrified by the blood that will be on their hands (better option) or trying to push the “don’t support the dems no matter what” narrative to stop any coherent movement (propaganda bots). I’m guessing the latter in most cases, because they include AOC, who would definitely organize, IF there was some support which there isn’t.
Everybody’s so very sure the “other side” is blindsided by propaganda, but the fact is that both sides are blindsided by propaganda. It’s pushing the nazis to act and pushing the woke to sit back and wait or run around like headless chicken and backstab their own. But you are both pushed.
tl;dr: the Harris=genocide narrative will still cause harm by stopping any support for dems organizing which is why social media is flooded with it right now
it’s amazing how you turned ‘i voted for harris but genocide is bad’ into ‘he supports trump’ as if there exists no other democrat
fuck off with you dishonest framing
Stop blaming voters and start blaming democrats. It’s THEIR fault they lost to fascist criminal when they ran a genocider and refused to hold a primary
Stop blaming your tools for what you do with them. Letting them run unchecked is what led here. Politicians should be kept in line by replacing them if they misbehave. People didn’t do that, people stopped doing that decades ago, and now everybody is playing shocked Pikatchu.
I voted in every election and every primary since I was old enough to vote. It doesn’t matter. They don’t work for us they work for their donors, the capitalists.
And of the so called “left” in this country has been so distracted by virtue signaling performative identity politics that while the right wing stuffed the courts and school boards the “left” put pronouns in their bios, painted rainbows in the road and marched with pussy hats on. Performative nonsense.
Meanwhile the actual left that never took their eyes off the prize - class consciousness and fighting capitalism - they’ve never had any power at all in this country. Remember how the democrats tried to smear Bernie sanders as sexist and racist? Because he dared to initially stay focused purely on economic and foreign policy issues? And Bernie was a compromise! He’s a milquetoast social democrat. The liberals will paint rainbows in the road and wear kente cloth and kneel in congress but they’re never gonna piss off their corporate donors.
Mother Theresa was a fucking monster by the way…
Genocide apologist
Harris is a neoliberal in favor of genocide and Israel. If she wanted to win all she had to do was stand for Palestine and/or healthcare.
and yet the guy who thought bombing gaza with a nuclear bomb would be a good idea was the one that won the election, so you’re working uphill against a slippery slope with that argument my friend, because it seems like, nobody really gave a fuck.
The sad truth is that a large portion of our countrymen do not care about Gaza. The Dem’s are wasting time on what is essentially a minority issue in this country. It’s not an election winning topic here. They need to focus on the economy at home first and foremost. The majority are short sighted and selfish and as I get older I genuinely question if a true democracy is even possible when the masses are so easily swayed by social media and bullshit. Just to be clear I’m not advocating for fascism, I just don’t have any ideas.
The division is the point
We need to move forward and this histrionic blathering is a distraction.
I’m talking about shit that’s happening right now, if the party had changed I wouldn’t be bringing it up. To move forward, the Democrats need to change leadership to people who will fight for their constituents instead of pointing fingers at them for ‘not voting hard through’, never mind that for most people outside swing states their presidential votes don’t even matter to begin with.
The party and the media spent years telling people that Biden was fine to run even though everyone with eyes could see he was declining, they made sure there was no competitive primary and then parachuted in a candidate that dropped out before Iowa when she last ran for President. And after this whole exercise, they’re still surprised the electorate doesn’t trust them despite being lied to for years about this and a bunch of other stuff.
I still think Trump actually is a terrible candidate, Democrats just consistently manage to find worse candidates on their side.
Harris would have beat Trump if she promised to fight for universal healthcare or free college. Or if she had simply not sprinted to the right by wanting to build Trump’s wall and promising to put Republicans in her cabinet. It was honestly impressive how hard Harris worked to throw the election.
She probably would’ve done better if she hadn’t done that and put some distance between her and Biden, but obviously that’s tricky when you were actually part of the admin. When I say she was the worse candidate I don’t really mean her personally, it’s more about what the electorate was looking for, which means more of an outsider who was willing to say how things could’ve been handled better by the previous administration instead of saying everything’s great.
Blah blah blah. Lemmy has an endless supplying armchair political experts. The what the dems did done wrong has been covered endlessly. You contribute nothing. You are a distraction. You benefit Trump and musk. And the more you and your ilk do this the more it benefits them.
The brigading that occurs every time I mention this not matter how I phrase it is very telling. The spread of this message of hopelessness is your goal.
Just keep on punching left instead of focusing on the fascists. It worked out for Weimar Germany after all.
Literally saying to stop the internal fighting and you’re claiming I’m the one doing. This always feels like talking to right wing projectionist.
I didn’t know you ran the DCCC? I’m talking about Democratic leadership, not about what us random posters said.
Neither do you. Nothing we say or do here changes the democratic leadership.
We need to focus on what we can do now. Stay in the present moment.
This is not some random idea I’ve come up with and the push back I get over it is fucking bonkers.
Keep losing elections
It’s not election season. Move the fuck on. This is ridiculous.
What’s ridiculous is that the democrats would rather lose to a fascist in service of capital than nominate a popular candidate.