• Zagorath@aussie.zone
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    6 hours ago

    Hey Microsoft, if you want me to upgrade to Windows 11, you could start by removing the completely arbitrary requirement to have TPM 2.0.

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      3 hours ago

      Sadly, Microsoft doesn’t need to do anything to have you to upgrade to Windows 11: you just need to buy a new device in the mainstream market. Aside from building your rig from scratch, of course.

      SteamDeck is a good example: Microsoft didn’t do nothing to promote the handheld PC gaming industry, even if Valve shown that their free and licenseless OS proved to be the best one… most OEM deliver Window’s only PC handheld, because they are afraid to lose the market segment of those who pirate PC games.

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      6 hours ago

      Why do we even need a toilet paper machine 2.0 to use windows 11?

      Joke aside, yeah what’s up with that? People been able to bypass it and have no problem.

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        The toilet paper machine is to mop up all the shit they keep dropping on us.

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        5 hours ago

        Rumour is it’s literally only there as an olive branch to hardware manufacturers to force people to buy new hardware. There’s literally no technical reasons for it.

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          it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.

          there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.

          basically, the same bullshit line that’s used to justify half of the bullshit unpopular changes that anyone pushes anywhere.

          “it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.

          “it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.

          “for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.

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            it’s one of those things where it does legitimately improve security, but for them to require it the way they did when almost no hardware at the time has it is pretty transparent.

            Windows has been requiring hardware manufactures to include TPM 2.0 support since July 2016 , and Windows 11 was released in October 2021. The truth is Microsoft did everything they could to wait for people to get their hands on new hardware (5 years). Data shows that 83% of businesses were victims of firmware attacks, which is exactly what TPM helps with. Like it or not Microsoft’s primary customer are businesses, since they are the one who buy hundreds of licenses and pay for technical support. TPM requirement was not a surprise to anyone:

            In fact, in the 55 pages of minumum specifications for Windows 10 hardware TPM is mentioned 60 times.

            A quote from the link above.

            there are plenty of other hardware requirements that could improve security if they arbitrarily decided to require them. they did this for the rain you describe, but have the plausible deniability of saying that it’s for security.

            What other hardware could they require to prevent firmware attacks?

            “it’s for security” - no it’s not, as a for profit company chances are pretty good we can prove you don’t actually give a shit about customer date if we look close enough at your practices. it’s for profit.

            As shown in the link above, it is for security. The profit comes when businesses keep buying Windows instead of moving to MacOS for lack of security in Windows machines.

            “it’s for the environment” - admirable thought, too bad that’s not profitable. I don’t believe you mr. for profit company.

            Apple has shown you can have products made of recycled material while still being high quality and highly profitable. If you want environmentally friendly products you need to pay more, because like you said, it is not profitable to sell those products at the same price as before. So you either complain about price or about the environment, can’t have both.

            “for the kids”- it you have ever tried to talk to a parent after the subject of their kids safety comes up you’ll see why they always do for this in. it’s the deepest, most primal, and least logical part of our brain. most parents become slovering fucking cavemen the second you disagree with whatever they’ve been programmed to believe will protect their kids. it’s just too easy to manipulate people with. if you say you’re great to protect kids I’m instantly skeptical and need a lot of proof.

            The truth is most surveillance technologies will help protect the kids. This is a fact. If you gave the police access to everyone’s phone all the time kids would objectively be safer on the internet. Yes, this is used as an excuse to attack our privacy, but it does work, and there’s no reason to be skeptical. Anyways, this is not on topic to windows TPM.

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      I think when the time comes I’ll give Windows 11 ltsc a look which has tpm be optional. Less bloatware too.

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    6 hours ago

    Hopefully this nonsense doesn’t affect the LTSC version. Using that has been a breath of fresh air - still Windows, less crap. Not even the store is installed by default.

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      It doesn’t. I doubt it will in the future, but its possible.

      I still would recommend moving to another solution though.

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        4 hours ago

        Long Term Service Channel. It’s a branch that is used by devices that may not be recommended to be on the latest version of Windows, for example ATMs. When the device needs to essentially be consistently reliable and not received feature updates that could potentially break it.

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        In my opinion, not entirely, the underlying NT kernel seems better designed than Linux.
        Windows 7 was very good, later versions were turned into crap.

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    2 hours ago

    Blah blah blah

    I always laugh at these comments. Edge is fantastic, same with 0365. But yeah libre is soooo much better.

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    Lolol just upgrade.

    MS has to constantly deal with this shit from users who refuse to install a damn patch.

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      Windows 11 from Windows 10 is not installing “a damn patch”.

      Also Windows 11 is terrible. Along with Edge WebView2, the entirety of the O365 suite now (see Edge WebView2), etc.

      An upgrade would be wiping the machine to install Linux or buying a Mac.