Democracy!

I remember when I tried to vote from abroad while living in Fiji and my mail ballot arrived after the election 😂

And the same people claiming to be victims of voter fraud are the ones perpetrating the election fraud.

Before the 2000 presidential election, Florida’s legislature ordered the removal of deceased registrants, and citizens with felony convictions from rolls – Florida imposes a lifetime voting ban on ex-felons. But it was later reported that at least 1,100 legitimate voters were mistakenly removed from the rolls, according to The New York Times, while some reports project thousands more  legitimate voters than that number were prevented from casting a ballot. It is the 2000 election in which President George W. Bush won by a 537-vote margin in Florida.

The actual stolen election.

People don’t understand that high numbers of people not voting is a symptom of a problem, not a problem itself.

It’s such a good metric to have and unless you’re a fan of authoritarian governments then I don’t see why you would want mandatory voting. “Everything is fine in our country. Look at all of this engagement in our elections that we forced.” That’s what you sound like if you full on back mandatory voting.

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They didn’t. Hillary didn’t run a good enough campaign.

Hey there, Mr. Glass Houseman.

Votes don’t magically give someone the power to rule you. The only thing that rules you is what you are willing or not willing to sacrifice. After you voted against Trump, and your team lost, did you put your body upon the gears and upon the wheels, did you stop the machine from working?

Or did you throw up your hands, donate a pittance to the party that lost? Did you wait patiently for four years for another chance, all the while being a well-oiled cog in the Orphan Crushing Machine with Trump now at the lead? If the people who didn’t vote caused Trump to be elected, then it must also be true that everyone who continued to cooperate with the government after January 20 are complicit in everything that Trump did while in office. Do you feel shame for all the fucked up shit you enabled?

I turned 18 shortly after W was elected the second time. I went to the DMV for a couple things, 1 to get my teenage provisional license renewed to a full on adult license, and 2 to add my motorcycle endorsement. I’ll never forget what the woman at the DMV said to me: “Okay, we’ll just register you for Selective Service here…would you like to register to vote?”

Dated a girl for 6 months long about 2013, she was one of those who went to an all-girls school, majored in a foreign language, spends her time reading YA novels from the library, no desire for a social life, her mother introduced us. One day I say to her “something something politics voting” and she says “Oh I’m not really that interested in politics, I’m not even registered to vote.” And I told her the above story, and she says “Selective…Service…?” She had no idea that the US still maintains the draft database. Wonder what else that all-girls school didn’t teach her about life in this country. Last I saw her, shortly before I deleted my facebook account, she was liking and sharing posts from Hilary’s campaign.

Same

I regret it but what can you do. We were young and dumb.

I’m not from the US, either. But from what i understand, the issues comes from the US having a “first past the post” voting system on a state level. The President is not elected by the percentage of votes, but each of the 50 states gets assigned a number of electors, based on their population. When a party/candidate has won the majority of votes within a state, they will receive all the electoral votes of that state.

Here’s a simplified example of how that works: Let’s assume 3 states with an equal ammount of inhabitants (let pop=1 million) and an equal ammount of electoral votes (let el=10)

State 1 has:
600.000 votes for candidate A (60%)
400.000 votes for candidate B (40%)

State 2 has:
200.000 votes for candidate A (20%)
800.000 votes for candidate B (80%)

State 3 has:
510.000 votes for candidate A (51%)
490.000 votes for candidate B (49%)

candidate A has received a total of 1.310.000 votes (~44%)
candidate B has received a total of 1.690.000 votes (~56%)
candidate B has won the popular vote, because most people voted for them.

However, candidate A won the majority in States 1 and 3. So candidate A will receive all 20 electoral votes of those states (which they won by only a comparitively small margin), whereas candidate B will receive only 10 from State 2 (which they won by a landslide).
As a result, candidate A will become the next president.

The U.S. was founded by slavers, and in order to preserve the rights of white men to own slaves, they built several anti-democratic institutions into the constitution of the new country. Northern states had fewer slaves and more voters, while southern states has more people but most of them weren’t allowed to vote. A one-person one-vote system that included slaves would result in the end of slavery. A one-person one-vote system that excluded slaves would give most of the political power to the north, and would probably end slavery. So to make sure people could continue to be deprived of their humanity, the electoral college was invented.

All states were given votes in the college proportional to their population, with slaves counting as 3/5 of a person. This gave greater power to the plantation owning whites who were responsible for ratifying the constitution, and insured nothing short of a civil war could end their reign of terror.

After the civil war the electoral college remained, and continues to distort the popular vote.

1. This graph supposes “did not vote, as in people who could have cast a ballot but did not for whatever reason” is a candidate, which they aren’t. This is to point out that the plurality of Americans don’t vote.

2. We have this thing a bunch of morons invented 200 years ago called the Electoral College which is stupid and dumb and bad.

Each state gives a certain number of points, and if you win the state you win all the points from that state, candidate with the most points wins. So if 51% of people in a state vote for a candidate, that’s exactly the same number of points as if 100% vote for them. That means that if one candidate wins a lot of states but not by much, and the other candidate wins other states by a landslide and overall gets more votes, maybe the first candidate still wins because half those votes don’t count for anything, what matters is the points.

Also, technically each state has its own mini government that gets to decide who to give the points to, they don’t have to let people vote. That’s how there is a conspiracy called the “Interstate Compact” various states have agreed to, where if enough states agree then they will just give all the points to the candidate with the popular vote nationally, rather than giving the points to the candidate the people of that state voted for. The idea being to get rid of the points system and make it so the winner of the popular vote always wins.

edit: Looked it up and noticed that what I said about 51% giving all points isn’t actually universally true, due to the state government getting to decide how the points are allocated and some of them doing it differently:

All states except Maine and Nebraska use a party block voting, or general ticket method, to choose their electors, meaning all their electors go to one winning ticket. Maine and Nebraska choose one elector per congressional district and 2 electors for the ticket with the highest statewide vote.

I’m not from the US either, but I’ve seen enough to attempt answering this.

They have two voting systems

• popular vote
• electoral college vote

Popular vote is the easily corruptible people going out and voting after a long period of politicians lying their teeth off face to face.

Electoral college vote is a bunch of easily corruptible fuckwits who vote with whoever pays best, regardless of popular voting.

Electoral college vote seems to matter more than popular vote. Not sure how or why. So less popular candidates can win because fuck the people, I guess.

Unfortunately, I am a disenfranchised voter. I live in a very red state with very red history, and even our blue is significantly more purple. When my best case scenario is being gerrymandered into a district, where I vote for someone with no obligation to their position that are at least 51% against my interest for a slightly better scenario, that with high certainty will not flip for at least 12 more years. It’s the hope that kills you, I’m anticipating down votes but consider this objectively and demand something better!

It doesn’t, really. It just needs to be easier to vote, and for a longer period of time. Here in Sweden it’s not a national holiday, but you can vote up to like a month in advance all over the place and it takes like 5 minutes if you do that. You can stop by on your way home from work or to the grocery store no problem, or on your lunch break. If you go on election day it might take you up to 30 minutes if there’s a line.

Then poor people would have 1 more holiday to work.

Depends on your state’s electoral college votes. In a way, if you’re in a state “safe” for a party your vote for the opposite is almost meaningless as your vote doesn’t count thanks to the EC being what actually counts in the national election. If you’re in a battleground state your vote is very important as a win in that state can shift which party gets the EC vote.

Populous states have more EC votes, however there are more states that have far, far less population that tend to overwhelm the EC votes of the populous states.

Say for instance California has 54 EC votes (pop ~40 mil); IN, NC, TN, MO have 48 EC votes in total and around 24 million in population combined. Let’s say the latter four are safe “red” states. Now along comes Ohio, a “battleground state” with 17 EC votes and population of 12 million. If Ohio republicans votes win the state, that means the EC votes total 65 for the republicans, a win for them with 36 million people total even though California has 40 million people who voted for the Dems. That’s how you get a minority of individual votes going to a party yet they still win the election.

This is really a simplified version and limited of what happens on a national scale. Some big states are populous and “safe” for one party or the other but tend to lean democrat, giving the Dems large EC votes, most less populous states vote Republican giving the republicans a nearly matching total. That’s why the votes in battleground states like Ohio are incredibly important as they can win or lose an election. It’s how the republicans can lose the popular vote yet still win the presidency.

IOW thanks to the electoral college less populous states can total more EC votes and win the election. If you live in a state that is solidly one party or the other your opposition vote means little. If you live in a battleground state your vote is incredibly important as we’ve seen that a minuscule percentage of votes can swing an election.

I don’t know if that was simple enough, but I hope it helped.

That’s not the worst one. In the 2000’s Bush straight up stole the election.

Because she barely lost in a few crucial states. It would have taken fewer than 80,000 nonvoters voting for her in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to flip the election.

Not really. Did not vote isn’t a vote, and the green names up there both don’t really have any chance of winning and are pretty much all people still trying to represent one party or the other of the big two, but didn’t get picked by the party on the “primary” vote.

The asterisk is only when the winning party also won the Senate and house.

The win label is only in the case where the electoral college result was different than the popular vote.