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Kinda rich dissing KDE for its “unstability” and putting GNOME as its paradigm, the very DE well known to break every major version.
Sometimes this kind of posts/“content” make me feel like I must be the only person in the world who hasn’t had major issues with KDE and it’s been absolutely flawless lately, specially since 5 - but I then realize people without issues don’t complain. It’s the people who have issues with something that make the noise and make it a very big deal (and I’d argue most cases are of the PEBCAK type).
If the need is for something simple and stable I’d shoot for something like Xfce - but putting GNOME as the example of “stability” is nothing but laughable.
If most of the features you use are gnome extensions you shouldn’t be using gnome. There are plenty of other desktops that would meet your needs better.
Most? I don’t think that someone who installs Dash to Panel would say most of their features are extensions, just some essential ones. I feel like you could go as far as “If any essential features you use are gnome extensions you shouldn’t be using gnome.”
Ahaha is that why they’re removing everything from the DE and forcing people to use extensions for things like desktop icons? So they can say “it’s not us, it’s the extensions”?
Well I had this one time I had issues with commands being sent to the shell. Super - arrow keys changed ttys instead of desktops and in the middle of updates I hit Ctrl c to kill a terminal app and it killed gnome desktop which killed the update process which bricked my system. Also XWayland apps are just buggy in ways I’ve never seen anywhere else.
It was real frustrating to set up with those bugs. My mother uses gnome but I refuse to install extensions because they break literally every single version of gnome. I probably should have put kde on her desktop tbh.
Reliability? Gnome maybe stable… per version! New resease? New breaking change! Screws all your extension and themes, and removes certain features because its “a decade old” or something.
I’ll keep saying it again and again: Gnome only “breaks” your extensions if you install them from a different source than your Gnome version (I.e. from the website). Install them from your distro’s repo and you have no issues.
Same as all other software: let your package manager handle it.
From my personal experience having used primarily Gnome and KDE, KDE plasma always seems to have weird quirks and bugs upon first install that require fiddling and Google searching or waiting for them to be patched.
make me feel like I must be the only person in the world who hasn’t had major issues with KDE and it’s been absolutely flawless lately, specially since 5
There’s dozens of us! (kidding, it’s clear in recent years it’s way more than that, and I’m happy to see it.)
If folks are happy with how GNOME does things… I’m happy for them.
Gnome is extremely stable. Very very very stable. And Gnome isn’t well known to break every version, I don’t know where you’ve got that from.
They do expect extension developers to test and mark their extensions as compatible with new Gnome versions, but that’s the opposite of unstable, that’s enforcing stability, although I do see how it could annoy people who like to immediately move to beta Gnome releases and their extension developers haven’t got around to testing/verifying yet.
Personally I’m more in favour of that than the alternatives:
locking down what extensions can do in order to guarantee they work across all versions with zero need for tweaks/testing
assuming each extension will work with a new version, risking breaking stuff if, say, the new Gnome version makes changes to the notification system UI an extension makes alterations to
Kinda rich dissing KDE for its “unstability” and putting GNOME as its paradigm, the very DE well known to break every major version.
Sometimes this kind of posts/“content” make me feel like I must be the only person in the world who hasn’t had major issues with KDE and it’s been absolutely flawless lately, specially since 5 - but I then realize people without issues don’t complain. It’s the people who have issues with something that make the noise and make it a very big deal (and I’d argue most cases are of the PEBCAK type).
If the need is for something simple and stable I’d shoot for something like Xfce - but putting GNOME as the example of “stability” is nothing but laughable.
GNOME doesn’t break, extensions do.
They’re literally ignoring specs… and also most of the features of gnome are the extensions, so I’d count that.
If most of the features you use are gnome extensions you shouldn’t be using gnome. There are plenty of other desktops that would meet your needs better.
Most? I don’t think that someone who installs Dash to Panel would say most of their features are extensions, just some essential ones. I feel like you could go as far as “If any essential features you use are gnome extensions you shouldn’t be using gnome.”
But that is like saying Firefox is garbage, even though it’s addon ecosystem is its big USP. Same way, GNOME has extension ecosystem as its USP.
Okay, I agree with that. CSD/SSD is a great example
Its not as bad as some people make it
Ahaha is that why they’re removing everything from the DE and forcing people to use extensions for things like desktop icons? So they can say “it’s not us, it’s the extensions”?
Why do you want to use desktop icons?
I personally don’t, but it’s a standard Mac/Windows users are very familiar with, and the ability to add them doesn’t impact you if you don’t want to.
In other words: it’s a net-positive.
Also some people just like them
Gnome has been rock solid for me and I’ve only had a handful of issues in over 5 years on Fedora.
Gnome focuses on reliability while KDE focuses on innovation
Well I had this one time I had issues with commands being sent to the shell. Super - arrow keys changed ttys instead of desktops and in the middle of updates I hit Ctrl c to kill a terminal app and it killed gnome desktop which killed the update process which bricked my system. Also XWayland apps are just buggy in ways I’ve never seen anywhere else.
It was real frustrating to set up with those bugs. My mother uses gnome but I refuse to install extensions because they break literally every single version of gnome. I probably should have put kde on her desktop tbh.
Reliability? Gnome maybe stable… per version! New resease? New breaking change! Screws all your extension and themes, and removes certain features because its “a decade old” or something.
I’ll keep saying it again and again: Gnome only “breaks” your extensions if you install them from a different source than your Gnome version (I.e. from the website). Install them from your distro’s repo and you have no issues.
Same as all other software: let your package manager handle it.
From my personal experience having used primarily Gnome and KDE, KDE plasma always seems to have weird quirks and bugs upon first install that require fiddling and Google searching or waiting for them to be patched.
There’s dozens of us! (kidding, it’s clear in recent years it’s way more than that, and I’m happy to see it.)
If folks are happy with how GNOME does things… I’m happy for them.
Gnome is extremely stable. Very very very stable. And Gnome isn’t well known to break every version, I don’t know where you’ve got that from.
They do expect extension developers to test and mark their extensions as compatible with new Gnome versions, but that’s the opposite of unstable, that’s enforcing stability, although I do see how it could annoy people who like to immediately move to beta Gnome releases and their extension developers haven’t got around to testing/verifying yet.
Personally I’m more in favour of that than the alternatives:
locking down what extensions can do in order to guarantee they work across all versions with zero need for tweaks/testing
assuming each extension will work with a new version, risking breaking stuff if, say, the new Gnome version makes changes to the notification system UI an extension makes alterations to