I don’t think you have thought this through enough.
Car infrastructure takes up the most space, so making a city for driving necessarily exludes other forms of transportation: think about what multi lane highways and giant parking lots does to a city.
On the other hand, excluding (or just minimizing) cars allows these other forms of transportation to flourish. Busses, trains, biking, scooting, walking, wheel chairs, those golf cart things disabled people use in the Netherlands.
Certainly you understand that many disabled people can not use cars: blind people, epileptic people, elderly people, young people, broke people (though lack of income is not traditionaly considered a disability, it can be disabilitating in a car dependent hypercapitalistic society like the US).
There is no one solution for transportation of the disabled, so it’s important to have lots of options. This is impossible if your neighborhood is car dependent
What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?
To clarify/add to this: walking or cycling also includes mobility devices that can use this infrastructure such as walkers, wheelchairs, and scooters. Taking this to the extreme, the Netherlands has microcars which allow people with handicaps to drive at low speed on bike infrastructure. Some even allow wheelchair user to roll right in (also shown in the video at 1m07s).
Taking the bus turns a 15 minute drive into a two hour drive. Because I’m disabled y’all just assume my time is less valuable. Like I said, fuck all y’all that assume cars are the worst option for everyone
Taking the bus turns a 15 minute drive into a two hour drive
If you’re talking about your specific situation, sure that might be the case, but it shouldn’t be that way in general. I also avoid taking my local public transit because it’s so bad, with service that’s supposed to be every 15min often 25min late (I’ve personally waited over 40min). However, that’s only with bad service. In a lot of places with good public transit, transit is waaay faster than driving because (rightfully so) they give priority to buses holding 40+ people, instead of cars holding 1.4 people on average
We’re not blaming you if you currently take a car. I drove to the grocery store last night because that’s the only way to safely get there. It’s the system that’s the problem.
You also didn’t acknowledge the other mobility options available, do none of them apply to you?
Ah, I see. You are personally affected by the bad transport available at your location.
Well, good news, you’re already at the right place to complain about bad bus systems. This community is all about making that horrible 2h bus ride faster.
Once you look into the costs, benefits and disadvantages associated with different kinds of transportation you’ll notice that in order to speed up traffic we need to provide all those terrible car drivers (the other people on the road, not me or you), a viable alternative so that they may finally get out of the way. Some of the people I’ve met on today’s commute really should not be allowed to drive a car. But since you can’t lock people up for driving a car (thank god, because I need one) we really should entice all the incompetent ones to stop wasting everyones time by handling a vehicle on public roads.
I think that’s unfair, in a city for example every equipment made for bikes, like a bridge above a road with lots of traffic or smooth road crossings, make the life of disabled easier too. I’m thinking about wheelchairs, but I guess it’s true even for people who struggle with walking too.
And to me, the “fuck cars” Utopia is certainly way more inclusive for the disabled than the current situation.
Nobody is saying that it never makes any sense to use a car, but about 60% of all car trips in America are less than 6 miles (9.65 km). The scale ends there, hence the less than, but a good chunk is probably only 1-2 miles or less (1.6 - 3.2km), which is inexcusable for healthy adults not transporting heavy stuff like a fridge.
It’s definitely a bit of a tilted comparison to not include any other alternative forms of transit like say a bus with 12 people on it (divide the energy), or a train with 80 people on it.
Oh yay, just what I want; to be able to bike 45km in 2.5hrs, getting fresh air and exercise along the way, hardly costing a cent, seeing the sights, feeling refreshed and invigorated, having a sense of accomplishment and being more connected to my neighbourhood while having almost no negative impact on the environment!
Seeing the sights, feeling refreshed and invigorated
Seeing the sights gets boring when you’ve done it more than a handful of times. And I’m not sure why, but I don’t feel refreshed when I’ve been out on a bike ride due to the winds. They aren’t strong, but they don’t need to be when going 18/25.
having a sense of accomplishment
This argument is one I strongly despise cause arbitrary difficulty does not/should not give a sense of accomplishment. Take the bus instead and you’ll have that same sense of accomplishment but waste only half the time. Or walk and spend twice the time and get it too.
Oh yay, just what I want; to be able to go 45km in 2.5hrs and be exhausted by the time I get there.
If your lifestyle requires this there is a systemic issue worth fixing.
I always love how the utopia you push for completely ignores the existence of disabled people. Can’t ride a bike? Just die!
I don’t think you have thought this through enough.
Car infrastructure takes up the most space, so making a city for driving necessarily exludes other forms of transportation: think about what multi lane highways and giant parking lots does to a city.
On the other hand, excluding (or just minimizing) cars allows these other forms of transportation to flourish. Busses, trains, biking, scooting, walking, wheel chairs, those golf cart things disabled people use in the Netherlands.
Certainly you understand that many disabled people can not use cars: blind people, epileptic people, elderly people, young people, broke people (though lack of income is not traditionaly considered a disability, it can be disabilitating in a car dependent hypercapitalistic society like the US).
There is no one solution for transportation of the disabled, so it’s important to have lots of options. This is impossible if your neighborhood is car dependent
I was going to write a snarky comment, but instead I’ll try to gain insight into your perspective.
What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?
To clarify/add to this: walking or cycling also includes mobility devices that can use this infrastructure such as walkers, wheelchairs, and scooters. Taking this to the extreme, the Netherlands has microcars which allow people with handicaps to drive at low speed on bike infrastructure. Some even allow wheelchair user to roll right in (also shown in the video at 1m07s).
Taking the bus turns a 15 minute drive into a two hour drive. Because I’m disabled y’all just assume my time is less valuable. Like I said, fuck all y’all that assume cars are the worst option for everyone
If you’re talking about your specific situation, sure that might be the case, but it shouldn’t be that way in general. I also avoid taking my local public transit because it’s so bad, with service that’s supposed to be every 15min often 25min late (I’ve personally waited over 40min). However, that’s only with bad service. In a lot of places with good public transit, transit is waaay faster than driving because (rightfully so) they give priority to buses holding 40+ people, instead of cars holding 1.4 people on average
We’re not blaming you if you currently take a car. I drove to the grocery store last night because that’s the only way to safely get there. It’s the system that’s the problem.
You also didn’t acknowledge the other mobility options available, do none of them apply to you?
Ah, I see. You are personally affected by the bad transport available at your location.
Well, good news, you’re already at the right place to complain about bad bus systems. This community is all about making that horrible 2h bus ride faster.
Once you look into the costs, benefits and disadvantages associated with different kinds of transportation you’ll notice that in order to speed up traffic we need to provide all those terrible car drivers (the other people on the road, not me or you), a viable alternative so that they may finally get out of the way. Some of the people I’ve met on today’s commute really should not be allowed to drive a car. But since you can’t lock people up for driving a car (thank god, because I need one) we really should entice all the incompetent ones to stop wasting everyones time by handling a vehicle on public roads.
I think that’s unfair, in a city for example every equipment made for bikes, like a bridge above a road with lots of traffic or smooth road crossings, make the life of disabled easier too. I’m thinking about wheelchairs, but I guess it’s true even for people who struggle with walking too. And to me, the “fuck cars” Utopia is certainly way more inclusive for the disabled than the current situation.
Nobody is saying that it never makes any sense to use a car, but about 60% of all car trips in America are less than 6 miles (9.65 km). The scale ends there, hence the less than, but a good chunk is probably only 1-2 miles or less (1.6 - 3.2km), which is inexcusable for healthy adults not transporting heavy stuff like a fridge.
Source: https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/articles/fotw-1042-august-13-2018-2017-nearly-60-all-vehicle-trips-were-less-six
Part of the problem is now just the adults themselves are the heavy stuff, perpetuating the cycle
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It exists, but it’s a fetish community.
Watch out, you’ll get stalked on Lemmy for pointing things like that out.
Oh yay, just what I want; to live in a dying world with a bunch of self-centered people.
It’s definitely a bit of a tilted comparison to not include any other alternative forms of transit like say a bus with 12 people on it (divide the energy), or a train with 80 people on it.
Oh yay, just what I want; to be able to bike 45km in 2.5hrs, getting fresh air and exercise along the way, hardly costing a cent, seeing the sights, feeling refreshed and invigorated, having a sense of accomplishment and being more connected to my neighbourhood while having almost no negative impact on the environment!
Seeing the sights gets boring when you’ve done it more than a handful of times. And I’m not sure why, but I don’t feel refreshed when I’ve been out on a bike ride due to the winds. They aren’t strong, but they don’t need to be when going 18/25.
This argument is one I strongly despise cause arbitrary difficulty does not/should not give a sense of accomplishment. Take the bus instead and you’ll have that same sense of accomplishment but waste only half the time. Or walk and spend twice the time and get it too.