Maybe for the first half, but their character development diverges at the end. Travis Bickle attempted to do something good, however misplaced, but the joker just wanted to watch the world burn.
That’s the beauty of the movie. He steps past the breaking point but his focus was on getting the girl out so all the violence is justified. But he’s not perfect, otherwise his true intentions would have been completed and he’d be recognized as the monster he really is. It’s all perspectives.
I mean no offense to the previous poster but I feel like it was fine. A lot of people talked about Joaquin Phoenix being amazing but I felt like they just haven’t seen his amazing performances haha.
That’s fair, I’d argue that a viewer being able to closely relate to the protagonist or a character in the film is what changes their view of the film.
For example, I’ve heard a lot of people love the Black Panther movie and the antagonist. I personally never liked the movie, nor relate to the movie at all, but I can understand someone relating to being an oppressed minority in American urban cities and the desire to rise up.
I didn’t relate to anyone in the movie (that I can remember) and I still loved it.
I really enjoyed it because of the immersion. I just thought it was good story telling and excellent acting.
I didn’t really take the movie to have any deeper meaning. To me it was the telling of one version of the joker’s origin story, one that is more grounded and realistic.
I should add that I didn’t really care too much if the movie isn’t true to any source material. My enjoyment of the movie was of it as a completely self contained story.
I mean yeah? Hypothetically take the parts of a movie that are “unsubstantial” and just look at the plot. It is not interesting enough on its own, which is my biggest gripe. The whole message of the movie literally boils down to the “we live in a society” meme.
I bought the movie in UHD 4K DVD. I watched it one time and donated the DVD. I won’t be watching it again. Worth a watch? I guess? Maybe? Do you like feeling like shit after watching a movie? Then it’s definitely worth a watch. Phoenix is my favorite actor, and I think he’s the most talented actor in Hollywood, but I did not enjoy watching his psychosis.
Good movie IMO, solid 7/10.
Solid 5/7 for me.
A perfect score, nice
With rice?
Worth the watch then? Looking to add some new movies to my collection
Yes, worth the watch.
Just keep expectations neutral, this one is also unique in that it focuses more on decline of society, dark movie.
It’s a suspenseful movie showing miserable things. If that’s your thing then it’s worth the watch.
For some, myself included, it was decently cathartic.
It is Taxi Driver set in the DC universe.
Maybe for the first half, but their character development diverges at the end. Travis Bickle attempted to do something good, however misplaced, but the joker just wanted to watch the world burn.
The way I see it, Travis thinks he’s doing something good, and succeeds in becoming a ‘hero’ purely by accident.
That’s the beauty of the movie. He steps past the breaking point but his focus was on getting the girl out so all the violence is justified. But he’s not perfect, otherwise his true intentions would have been completed and he’d be recognized as the monster he really is. It’s all perspectives.
And how is that bad?
I’m not saying it is bad. Personally I see Taxi Driver as a better telling of that story, but Joker is also good in its own way.
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For me, I thought it was one of the greatest films I’ve ever seen in my life.
I had someone tell me that, and was incredibly let down. Maybe I just didn’t get it.
I mean no offense to the previous poster but I feel like it was fine. A lot of people talked about Joaquin Phoenix being amazing but I felt like they just haven’t seen his amazing performances haha.
I probably wouldn’t like a lot of his amazing performances.
Give them a shot some time. The Master is probably my favorite performance of his although it’s in a good not great movie.
That’s fair, I’d argue that a viewer being able to closely relate to the protagonist or a character in the film is what changes their view of the film.
For example, I’ve heard a lot of people love the Black Panther movie and the antagonist. I personally never liked the movie, nor relate to the movie at all, but I can understand someone relating to being an oppressed minority in American urban cities and the desire to rise up.
I didn’t relate to anyone in the movie (that I can remember) and I still loved it.
I really enjoyed it because of the immersion. I just thought it was good story telling and excellent acting.
I didn’t really take the movie to have any deeper meaning. To me it was the telling of one version of the joker’s origin story, one that is more grounded and realistic.
I was confused about him being Batmans brother. Is that canon now, or was it just in one of the marvel multiverses?
Batman is not marvel
I don’t remember this at all in the movie. When was this mentioned?
He confronts Wayne in the bathroom at a party/fund raiser, IIRC.
His mother used to work for the Waynes and hints towards this throughout
Wait why would that make them brothers?
I should add that I didn’t really care too much if the movie isn’t true to any source material. My enjoyment of the movie was of it as a completely self contained story.
StepHalf-brother, he believes that Batman’s father cheated on his wife with his mother.Been a hot minute since I saw it but IIRC that wasn’t real
Imo its overhyped. Its an alright movie that no one would give two shits about if “The Joker” was not the focus of it
So people would have reacted differently if it was an entirely different movie?!?
I mean yeah? Hypothetically take the parts of a movie that are “unsubstantial” and just look at the plot. It is not interesting enough on its own, which is my biggest gripe. The whole message of the movie literally boils down to the “we live in a society” meme.
I bought the movie in UHD 4K DVD. I watched it one time and donated the DVD. I won’t be watching it again. Worth a watch? I guess? Maybe? Do you like feeling like shit after watching a movie? Then it’s definitely worth a watch. Phoenix is my favorite actor, and I think he’s the most talented actor in Hollywood, but I did not enjoy watching his psychosis.
Felt like the message of the movie was society is rotten, but protesting is even worse. Kinda lame.
The message was that an oppressive society makes violence inevitable, and that violence cannot be controlled by anyone, not even the people who do it.