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  • jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.worldBannedtoProgressive Politics@lemmy.worldImagine
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    Pretty sure he never had any intention of working with the KKK. Pretty sure that if the KKK came up to him and told him they wanted to join his movement, he’d tell them to fuck off, the same way virtually anyone would.

    You are adding your own opinion and bias when you say this about excluding and cherry picking; we don’t know if he would reject any groups when they have common interests that would help the working class.

    You weren’t, huh? Wow, who woulda guessed?

    It was a quick search; I remember reading and watching videos on the matter.

    Correction: It was not directly with the KKK, but with white groups that shared common interests in helping the working-class movement. There is one event I remember when a different group and the KKK worked together to force the government to pay their social services checks, but it was a while ago.

    They were willing to work with them, but they did not change their positions to accommodate them. They did not sell out their own members or members of other minority groups in order to appeal to them.

    I did not say or mention changing our positions; I said coming together on things we agree on, which includes addressing working-class struggles.



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    Chris Small brought people in from was the fucking KKK.

    I did not say Chris Smalls brought the KKK and other groups to ALU; I said that he brought the working-class people together on what they agreed on so as to build the Amazon Labor Union.

    He did not start the movement by excluding certain groups, gangs, movements, organizations, or political leanings.

    great stepping stone

    I included Chris Smalls as an example of what can be done when we focus on bringing people together instead of focusing on excluding certain groups and political leanings when it comes to building a working-class movement.

    I was not able to find when the Black Panther Party worked with groups associated with the KKK, but they did try to bring white organizations into their working-class movement.

    One was the Young Patriot Organization (YPO), which was based in Hillbilly Harlem, an uptown neighborhood of Chicago populated by displaced white southerners. Many YPO members were racist, and they flaunted controversial symbols associated with southern pride, such as the Confederate flag. But like blacks and Latinos, the white Young Patriots and their families experienced discrimination in Chicago. In their case, it was because they were poor and from the South.[1]

    Here is a short video on the Rainbow Coalition of the Black Panther Party:

    From North to South: Chairman Fred Hampton and the original Rainbow Coalition [09:37 | MAR 25 2021 | Reckon] https://lemmy.world/post/30176761


    1. [1] https://archive.is/CBXnU ↩︎



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    The Video Description mentions his thoughts:

    Norman Finkelstein: Well, my first reaction is that you have to have the facts and make a careful evaluation on the basis of the facts. When I first read about it this morning, I thought it had occurred at the Israeli consulate. And I assumed it was a Palestinian who had committed the action. And my first reaction was to remember the [Polish Jewish] fellow Herschel Grynszpan, who assassinated the second-level diplomat in the German legation in Paris in 1938.

    He reacted in sheer horror at what was being done to the Jews. And he did an act. Of course, the Germans called it an act of terrorism, and that’s what triggered Kristallnacht. I’m not aware of any [historians] who condemned him for the act, even though you could say it was not a very smart thing to do because it triggered Kristallnacht.

    So that was my initial reaction. But then that turned out to be wrong because of two things. It didn’t occur in the Israeli consulate. It occurred in front of a Jewish museum in Washington. And secondly, it’s unclear at this point whether the alleged perpetrator was even aware that these two people worked in the Israeli consulate. So that throws a large number of variables into the equation. There seems to be this big disconnect between a sophisticated manifesto and a fellow just going randomly in front of a Jewish museum in Washington and attempting to assassinate two people who presumably he thought were Jewish.

    So everything remains foggy now. I would say for me, the bottom line is it could have been a nutty guy. That’s always possible. It could be a smart guy with a crazy project. It could be a crazy guy with a crazy project.


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    And that is why divide-and-conquer strategies work.

    Building a working-class coalition requires bringing people together from all walks of life, not cherry-picking one or the other.

    Again, this is difficult and time-consuming; it will not be easy.

    Learning from the history of past working-class coalition attempts, we know that they are infiltrated and the leaders are assassinated and smeared.

    Dialogue works; it helps bring opposing movements and organizations, gangs, together to help bring about a working-class movement.

    Chris Smalls was able to achieve a great stepping stone when he was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island by bringing people from all walks of life and not cherry-picking certain groups and excluding them from the working-class movement.


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    The working-class coalition would help bring people together on working-class struggles.

    If you look at the history of these movements, they involved befriending the KKK and conflicting gangs, where they are coming together to help fight against the ruler class.

    This would also include when any group’s rights are under attack.

    To be able to do that, dialogue would have to be possible within these movements and organizations.



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    Thanks for your comment!

    I agree, identity politics and social issues are divide-and-conquer strategies the duopoly uses against the working class.

    We need to build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party), similar to how Chris Smalls was able to make the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island.

    Bringing together the working class on what we agree on instead of focusing on what we don’t agree on.


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    Divide and conquer strategies work.

    I am saying that we need to unite the working class where we agree, not just focus on where we disagree.

    The duopoly will always work against the working class while handing out crumbs so as to win some small points.

    We must build a rainbow coalition (Black Panther Party) instead of continuing the political tribalism of blue versus red teams (Bloods versus Crips).

    That is why I mentioned:

    It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.

    It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.

    It takes time and effort to build up a rainbow coalition, but it is possible.

    Chris Smalls was able to do it with the Amazon Labor Union (ALU) in Staten Island; instead of talking to people where they disagree, they come together on things that they agree with.







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    I think I understand what you are saying, but that is the nature of a society.

    We all have our own unique upbringings and experiences that shape us.

    Political tribalism helps increase the difficulty of uniting the working class. Divide and conquer is still relevant in our society, especially with identity politics and social issues.

    I think it fundamentally goes back to:

    It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.

    It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.


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    dog whistles

    I am not sure which secret meanings I have in my comments.

    I think it fundamentally goes back to:

    It is difficult to have discussions with people that do not share our views or way of thinking.

    It takes a lot of time and effort IRL and on forums.

    I thought my way of commenting was simple; I see that I am wrong on that point, but I still strive to continue to learn and speak with those that do not think like me or that agree with my way of seeing the world.