Beijing warns just one incident might cause a serious nuclear accident 'with irreversible consequences for the ecosystem and public health of Ukraine and its neighbouring countries'
So, Russia has troops inside the power plant, and they are apparently holding workers at gunpoint so they keep producing electricity. Ukraine, as expected, has decided not to attack those Russian troops and endanger the rest of us in the world, while stupid Russians are shelling their own positions and halting the production that they themselves are attempting to keep going. They are probably not stopping even when the prospect of a nuclear catastrophe is pushing international forces to act, as Mr Zelenskyy has many times requested, probably eventually expelling Russian forces from the area. As stupid as they are, they don’t realize that the attacks they are performing only benefit the military interests of Ukraine, and not their own… Thankfully, that Chinese official has stated that "all parties […] exercise maximum restraint”, and by “all parties” we should of course understand they’re referring specifically to Russia, just like the article states in its title, as they are clearly the ones performing the attacks.
I was being sarcastic, yes. For some reason, people are just accepting that narrative (hey, people have different versions of the facts, I can understand that) without even questioning whether it makes sense at all.
Russia should withdraw its military from the power plant. Using it as cover for their soldiers and ammunition is cowardly and a huge safety risk for the civilian population.
As for the comments on here talking about western MSM bias - give me a break. There is one aggressor here, a crazy russian authoritarian regime and army attacking a democratic country under some very ridiculous pretenses. Not to mention the disgusting way they have targeted the civilians.
Russia should withdraw its military from the power plant. Using it as cover for their soldiers and ammunition is cowardly and a huge safety risk for the civilian population.
Russia is not in a position where it can do that. If Russia pulls out of it Ukraine will move into it and do exactly that. The plant will become a base that can not be attacked. It’s an unrealistic position. Given that Ukraine positions all of its military underneath and around civilian buildings while using schools and hospitals as bases there’s really no question that they would also do it with the plant.
Not to mention the disgusting way they have targeted the civilians.
Not really true on the whole. There have probably been some instances of this but it’s extremely obvious that Russia has been light-handed in this war compared to the American invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan or what happened to Libya. It’s just disingenuous to claim.
Yeah it’s not as bad as Iraq yet, but it is senseless and needs to stop. Iraq is a pretty low bar with >100k civilians dead. And they are targeting civilians’ hitting mall, train stations, and even normal workplaces. All of these hundreds of km from the front. Im not even talking about the crap they do at the front or in occupied areas.
Yeah but the point is like, when the west has invaded anything they’ve gone in FULL POWER. They wipe everything out, the destroy all power infrastructure, they shut down the ability of entire cities to function, they utterly and totally cripple the opponent regardless of civilians.
Russia on the other hand has not done that remotely at all. Kyiv has a functioning economy, so does the rest of Ukraine not currently directly on the front line of artillery fire. They have occupied the power plant but they’re running it and continuing to supply western Ukraine (controlled by the Ukrainian gov still) with electricity.
Obviously this might change in the future (plenty of room for them to escalate if they want to) but anyone making these claims about civilian targeting has either no idea how the west conducts itself when it does an invasion or is genuinely lying for alternative agendas. Yes it can always be better, but they’re 100% being gentle.
I wonder whether these people have seen a western war. Whether they truly believe what they’re saying or not. If they truly believe what they are saying then the next invasion the west conducts is going to look like a horror show 100x worse to them. But I’m pretty sure many are saying this kind of thing knowing full well it’s not the truth.
And they are targeting civilians’ hitting mall, train stations, and even normal workplaces. All of these hundreds of km from the front. Im not even talking about the crap they do at the front or in occupied areas.
Yes and we have video of ukrainian military in a lot of them. It’s impossible to verify particularly well what strikes occurred for what reasons though at this point in time, we simply do not know what was being stored in these locations that Russia believed was worth striking. The argument that they were just yolo blasting a civilian location for absolutely no reason with a missile costing 60million dollars needs a bit of critique though.
That’s not possible either, you would be condemning the people of eastern ukraine to mass repression and possibly an extermination event. You have to keep in mind that this war began 8 years before Russia stepped in, Ukraine was fighting the people of Luhansk and Donetsk. That doesn’t stop if Russia pulls out and Ukraine will them all. Do you support that?
So yeah he probably does support ethnically cleansing these regions of the “orcs” then. The ethnically Russian previously Ukrainian populations of Donetsk and Luhansk.
This is the problem we face with getting this war to stop. It is impossible now for Russia to step out of these regions without triggering a massacre.
No this is just totally untrue. There was definitely some support given but the bulk of the secessionists were the people of Donetsk and Luhansk.
You have fallen for the trick that the Ukrainian government often pulls by calling ALL the people of Donetsk and Luhansk Russians. They no longer call them Ukrainians. And that’s the problem, they have firmly stated their intention to kill all of them, they do not consider them Ukrainian anymore and taking back the land means cleansing it of the Russian ethnicity population.
So, Russia has troops inside the power plant, and they are apparently holding workers at gunpoint so they keep producing electricity. Ukraine, as expected, has decided not to attack those Russian troops and endanger the rest of us in the world, while stupid Russians are shelling their own positions and halting the production that they themselves are attempting to keep going. They are probably not stopping even when the prospect of a nuclear catastrophe is pushing international forces to act, as Mr Zelenskyy has many times requested, probably eventually expelling Russian forces from the area. As stupid as they are, they don’t realize that the attacks they are performing only benefit the military interests of Ukraine, and not their own… Thankfully, that Chinese official has stated that "all parties […] exercise maximum restraint”, and by “all parties” we should of course understand they’re referring specifically to Russia, just like the article states in its title, as they are clearly the ones performing the attacks.
Edit: /s, for the sake of fuck
Is this a parody? Or do you really believe that Russia is shooting at its own troops, and at territory it completely controls?
I was being sarcastic, yes. For some reason, people are just accepting that narrative (hey, people have different versions of the facts, I can understand that) without even questioning whether it makes sense at all.
Good job, I really couldnt tell.
The fact that it’s difficult to tell sarcasm and liberal talking points apart says volumes.
Russia should withdraw its military from the power plant. Using it as cover for their soldiers and ammunition is cowardly and a huge safety risk for the civilian population.
As for the comments on here talking about western MSM bias - give me a break. There is one aggressor here, a crazy russian authoritarian regime and army attacking a democratic country under some very ridiculous pretenses. Not to mention the disgusting way they have targeted the civilians.
Russia is not in a position where it can do that. If Russia pulls out of it Ukraine will move into it and do exactly that. The plant will become a base that can not be attacked. It’s an unrealistic position. Given that Ukraine positions all of its military underneath and around civilian buildings while using schools and hospitals as bases there’s really no question that they would also do it with the plant.
Not really true on the whole. There have probably been some instances of this but it’s extremely obvious that Russia has been light-handed in this war compared to the American invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan or what happened to Libya. It’s just disingenuous to claim.
Yeah it’s not as bad as Iraq yet, but it is senseless and needs to stop. Iraq is a pretty low bar with >100k civilians dead. And they are targeting civilians’ hitting mall, train stations, and even normal workplaces. All of these hundreds of km from the front. Im not even talking about the crap they do at the front or in occupied areas.
Yeah but the point is like, when the west has invaded anything they’ve gone in FULL POWER. They wipe everything out, the destroy all power infrastructure, they shut down the ability of entire cities to function, they utterly and totally cripple the opponent regardless of civilians.
Russia on the other hand has not done that remotely at all. Kyiv has a functioning economy, so does the rest of Ukraine not currently directly on the front line of artillery fire. They have occupied the power plant but they’re running it and continuing to supply western Ukraine (controlled by the Ukrainian gov still) with electricity.
Obviously this might change in the future (plenty of room for them to escalate if they want to) but anyone making these claims about civilian targeting has either no idea how the west conducts itself when it does an invasion or is genuinely lying for alternative agendas. Yes it can always be better, but they’re 100% being gentle.
I wonder whether these people have seen a western war. Whether they truly believe what they’re saying or not. If they truly believe what they are saying then the next invasion the west conducts is going to look like a horror show 100x worse to them. But I’m pretty sure many are saying this kind of thing knowing full well it’s not the truth.
Yes and we have video of ukrainian military in a lot of them. It’s impossible to verify particularly well what strikes occurred for what reasons though at this point in time, we simply do not know what was being stored in these locations that Russia believed was worth striking. The argument that they were just yolo blasting a civilian location for absolutely no reason with a missile costing 60million dollars needs a bit of critique though.
RF should withdraw from ALL of the Ukraine, not just this power plant.
That’s not possible either, you would be condemning the people of eastern ukraine to mass repression and possibly an extermination event. You have to keep in mind that this war began 8 years before Russia stepped in, Ukraine was fighting the people of Luhansk and Donetsk. That doesn’t stop if Russia pulls out and Ukraine will them all. Do you support that?
This is the guy who commented on Russians getting called “orcs” like this:
> Don’t insult Orcs, please.
So yeah he probably does support ethnically cleansing these regions of the “orcs” then. The ethnically Russian previously Ukrainian populations of Donetsk and Luhansk.
This is the problem we face with getting this war to stop. It is impossible now for Russia to step out of these regions without triggering a massacre.
Ukraine was fighting undercover Russians in Donetsk and Lugansk since 8 years.
No this is just totally untrue. There was definitely some support given but the bulk of the secessionists were the people of Donetsk and Luhansk.
You have fallen for the trick that the Ukrainian government often pulls by calling ALL the people of Donetsk and Luhansk Russians. They no longer call them Ukrainians. And that’s the problem, they have firmly stated their intention to kill all of them, they do not consider them Ukrainian anymore and taking back the land means cleansing it of the Russian ethnicity population.