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Eh, it will still affect you somewhat, just less directly.
You can still go to the grocery store just fine … but the truck that brought deliveries to the grocery store so you could buy them? It ran on diesel. As did the truck that delivered the food from the packing plant to the distribution center. As did the truck that delivered the food from the farm to the packing plant. As did all the tractors and other heavy equipment used on that farm. And if they all have to pay more for fuel, your groceries are going to get more expensive. If shortages get so bad that they can’t even get fuel, then you might be seeing a lot of empty shelves at the grocery store.
It’s nice to have personal independence from fossil fuels, but it’s an unfortunate fact that our society and economy as a whole are still very dependent upon fossil fuels.
Rally brings the point home just how precarious it is to be so strongly dependent on fossil fuels
or so strongly dependent on land thousands of kilometers away. cities themselves are a bit precarious if you think about it
It’s better to own the libs than to have resource security, though.
and then they should be saying, can we get electric trucks so we can avoid this? and the answer is:
The result is a growing array of models available today, from last-mile city trucks to powerful heavy-duty prime movers.
Volvo receives order for 30 electric trucks in Australia and announces production start of electric trucks
looks like a yes to me
And the big routes are and can mostly be done by rail, which is very efficient and can be electrified easier than trucks
Don’t forget. Solar and batteries are the cheapest way to make energy.
Yes, but the economies of scale of cargo transport generally mean that the percentage of the total cost attributable to fuel cost is usually pretty small.
Take bananas, for example. If they cost $0.70 per pound at the store, how much fuel could have been used getting a pound of bananas from the plantation to the port, shipped from that port to a port in the United States, then from that port to a distribution center, then to the store? So what would doubling the price of fuel do for the price of bananas?
With more expensive items, shipping (and therefore fuel) is an even lower percentage of the total input costs.
The price of goods will go up with the price of fuel, but not as much as a lot of people seem to assume.
How are those gas power plants going america? Laughs in B.C with full renewable power.
The US is a net gas exporter so those plants are working just fine.
China exports billions more of green tech than USA exports fossil fuels.
Yes but it’s not like they’re going to run out of gas. That’s why they built so many of them.
People aren’t worried about running out of gas. They are worried about running out of money.
The UK only has a couple days of reserve gas
And some people aren’t worried about either. They just got bombed to death.
If there is no money to buy something then it doesn’t matter if it’s available or not.
Sure bud
It’s been a net exporter for a decade due to all the fracking. Though they import like 10% of what’s used from Canada, they export double that as LNG.
Fossil fuels are used to make the electricity for your electric car. The trucks that supply those plants run on fossil fuels. The trucks your grocery gets delivered from uses fossil fuels.
Unless you live solar off grid, You cant get away from it costing you.
80% of Canada’s grid is NOT run off fossil fuels. Electric trucks are available for those who want to minimize emissions.
Maybe where you live.
Where the fuck do you live that your infrastructure isn’t run off fossil fuels?
It’s an element everywhere, but here in the UK just 28% of electricity was generated from fossil fuels in the last year. Next door, in France it’s 3%. That’s just two places I happen to be familiar with.
Fossil fuels are not powering my car. It’s nuclear, wind and solar powered.
That is a highly misleading figure. 10% of UK renewable energy is generated at Drax, which is not only the UK’s biggest single emitter of carbon, it burns wood pellets imported from British Columbia, Mississippi, Alabama and Louisiana. Fossil fuels power the tree harvesters, the saw mills, the transport trucks, the trains, the pellet factories and the ships involved in getting that fuel to Yorkshire from half a planet away.
It’s 7.5% over the last 12 months, and biomass is not fossil fuels. I agree shipping it in is silly, but the carbon it releases during burning is carbon captured in recent years, not millions of years ago. That matters.
…but even if you take it over the other side of the line…it 35% instead of 28%. It also doesn’t change the french figure.
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
I’m definitely of the mindset that we should limit fossil fuel use at every level as much as is humanly possible. But that mindset won’t actually help anything in the right now.
I live in South Australia where the wholesale electricity price frequently goes negative during the day because there is too much solar power.
I could fully charge my car 2-3 times per day from the amount of solar power my house generates. I’m frequently turning down my solar inverters (automated) to avoid paying to export when the grid is overloaded.
Over 50% of all houses in South Australia have solar panels, house battery installation has skyrocketed, and there are many days when the grid is 100% powered by rooftop solar alone – not counting commercial solar plants or wind power, which we also have an abundance of.
New interstate grid connectors are being built and old ones upgraded to try to export more excess energy instead of curtailing renewable power.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
80% of Canada’s grid is NOT run off fossil fuels.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
You totally gloss over that EVs include trucks and ships. If you want to minimize your use of fossil fuels, you have options. Minimize before you try to “escape” them.
And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.
And we’re not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.
The products we consume can be transported by batteries, and we will get there. By minimizing fossil fuels, rising oil prices wouldn’t affect you so much. I already have an EV, so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
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Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
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EV owners are simple folk
My diesel emergency storage canisters are ripe for rotation anyway
