Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
You totally gloss over that EVs include trucks and ships. If you want to minimize your use of fossil fuels, you have options. Minimize before you try to “escape” them.
And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.
And we’re not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.
The products we consume can be transported by batteries, and we will get there. By minimizing fossil fuels, rising oil prices wouldn’t affect you so much. I already have an EV, so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
I won’t be affected as much as you and that’s my point. And I choose EV transportation ***right now ***whenever I can, and you should too. Time to start thinking long term, like energy producers do. And chill, you care way more for this conversation than I do.
You’ve ignored the real point of my comment and just focused on the one part I put there as an after thought.
When I said you’re not affect as much as I am, I meant in the sense that you’re a tiny bit better off. You’re going to very much affected by this when the price of literally everything goes up. The fuel prices rising have added less than $30 a month to my budget. That’s how much “better off” you are than me.
And as an aside it’s a very privileged stance to say it’s “time to start thinking long term” I, like many people, are nowhere close to being in the position to be buying an EV.
Also, it’s not really the subject of the conversation I care about, it’s frustration with your ability to actually understand and listen to point I’m trying to make. You continually miss the actual points of this conversation. You’ve done it again here by saying you choosing an EV “right now” as if the price of everything else rising will not effect you. You’re barely barely better of than those without EVs.
To reiterate one more time, the point of what I’ve said is that fossil fuels are such a necessary part of all levels of industry that your personal choice to use an EV will not save you from the effect that the price of fossil fuels rising will have on the price of everything in all industries reliant on fossil fuels will cause.
To simplify if you still haven’t understood: gas price rise, farming price rise, farming price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, delivery price rise, delivery price rise, food price rise. Shopping container fuel price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, construction price rise, construction price rise, house price rise. Etcetera etcetera, for every level of industry that we both rely upon.
If you want to save money, avoid fossil fuels as much as you possibly can. In the long run it will pay off. People like me chose EVs knowing there would more more fossil fuel wars, so when this latest one happened, we were ready. If the entire transportation industry did the same, we’d all be better off financially. Immunity to fossil fuel wars is a blessing. Act now, thank me in the coming years. Cheers!
80% of Canada’s grid is NOT run off fossil fuels.
Just going to most of this comment I’ve already made:
And the rest of the infrastructure?
The diesel trucks that transport everything at every level of industry? The diesel heavy machinery that builds the buildings, roads, etc? The ships that everything thing is imported and exported by? What about everything made from petroleum products?
Fossil fuels are used at every level for so many things and the price of them going up will drive the price of everything that needs them up.
There’s no escaping fossil fuels. You buy any sort of product and I can say with near certainty that fossil fuels got it to you.
You totally gloss over that EVs include trucks and ships. If you want to minimize your use of fossil fuels, you have options. Minimize before you try to “escape” them.
And the absolute vast majority of products you buy are being transported by fossil fuels. EV trucks and ships are a tiny minority.
And we’re not talking about minimising the use of fossil fuels here, this whole comment thread is about how rising oil prices will effect whether or not you have an EV because everything you consume is brought to you by fossil fuels.
The products we consume can be transported by batteries, and we will get there. By minimizing fossil fuels, rising oil prices wouldn’t affect you so much. I already have an EV, so I can tell you first hand that the pump price doesn’t affect me as much as it affects you.
For the love of god I know that! But that is not what the conversation here is about. You completely miss the point again and again! We are not talking about hypotheticals right now.
The original post was a tongue in cheek meme saying that op doesn’t think the rising fuel costs will effect them. The original comment was someone pointing out that rising prices of oil will effect more than just the price of fuel.
Everything I have said has been backing that up, pointing out all the ways that more expensive fossil fuels will effect the prices of other things because so many parts of industry that our society relies on requires fossil fuels right now.
We are not talking about some hypothetical future where things could be better, we are talking about how the rising fossil fuels prices are going to effect the prices of things in the right now.
Maybe things will be much better in the future, to the point that a large rise in oil price will barely be a blip, but that won’t be tomorrow, it won’t be next month, it won’t be next year, it probably won’t even be next decade. Our society relies on fossil fuels for so many things right now and it will take literal decades for that to meaningfully change no matter how much we might want to change now.
You say that, but all the food you consume is farmed using fossil fuels, and transported with fossil fuels. This is a fact that won’t change anytime meaningfully soon. Groceries prices will be going up soon enough because of this. This also applies to about a dozen other things. Maybe you’re not effected as much as me but you will be impacted soon enough unfortunately.
I won’t be affected as much as you and that’s my point. And I choose EV transportation ***right now ***whenever I can, and you should too. Time to start thinking long term, like energy producers do. And chill, you care way more for this conversation than I do.
You’ve ignored the real point of my comment and just focused on the one part I put there as an after thought.
When I said you’re not affect as much as I am, I meant in the sense that you’re a tiny bit better off. You’re going to very much affected by this when the price of literally everything goes up. The fuel prices rising have added less than $30 a month to my budget. That’s how much “better off” you are than me.
And as an aside it’s a very privileged stance to say it’s “time to start thinking long term” I, like many people, are nowhere close to being in the position to be buying an EV.
Also, it’s not really the subject of the conversation I care about, it’s frustration with your ability to actually understand and listen to point I’m trying to make. You continually miss the actual points of this conversation. You’ve done it again here by saying you choosing an EV “right now” as if the price of everything else rising will not effect you. You’re barely barely better of than those without EVs.
To reiterate one more time, the point of what I’ve said is that fossil fuels are such a necessary part of all levels of industry that your personal choice to use an EV will not save you from the effect that the price of fossil fuels rising will have on the price of everything in all industries reliant on fossil fuels will cause.
To simplify if you still haven’t understood: gas price rise, farming price rise, farming price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, delivery price rise, delivery price rise, food price rise. Shopping container fuel price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, internationally shipped goods price rise, food price rise. Gas price rise, construction price rise, construction price rise, house price rise. Etcetera etcetera, for every level of industry that we both rely upon.
If you want to save money, avoid fossil fuels as much as you possibly can. In the long run it will pay off. People like me chose EVs knowing there would more more fossil fuel wars, so when this latest one happened, we were ready. If the entire transportation industry did the same, we’d all be better off financially. Immunity to fossil fuel wars is a blessing. Act now, thank me in the coming years. Cheers!