France has struggled to kick its smoking habit. A new public health decree published Saturday aims to change that. In the coming days, smoking will be banned in all French parks and sports venues, at beaches and bus stops, in a perimeter around all schools, and anywhere children could gather in public.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    82·
    7 hours ago

    It’s a big deal because in France, babies are born with a lit cigarrette in their mouth.

    • Obi@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      6 hours ago

      And if they’re from further south than Lyon they also have a pastis in hand.

  • EverXIII@lemmy.worldEnglish
    83·
    9 hours ago

    Nice one. Smoking has no place in today’s world. People should evolve and quit.

  • MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    71·
    14 hours ago

    Good luck with that. Where I live all public hospital grounds have been declared no-smoking zones. I’ve seen patients in wheelchairs sparking up under the no-smoking sign right outside the entrance.

    • stormdelay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      562·
      2 days ago

      I do not see how that’s opposed to personal choice, one’s liberty to smoke stops where another person’s liberty to not deal with the smell and refuse begins

    • console.log(bathing_in_bismuth)@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      116·
      1 day ago

      We are a small time away from mandatory DNA collection and genetics testing based insurance costs, with probably an increase of monthly costs if you have unhealthy habits. You’ll end up dead sooner and increased in chemo or cell edited cancer mediation will be covered by the increased costs.

      That’s a fucking L btw.

      We can all agree on smoking prob, but where to draw the line? Increased costs so you can have a single cheeseburger a month allowance?

      • Kornblumenratte@feddit.orgEnglish
        3·
        18 hours ago

        The problem is the basic idea, what an insurance is.

        In the anglophone world, insurance companies developed from brokers who offered bets on whatever you wanted to insure.

        In my country, many insurance companies develeoped out of historical mutual aid societies – everybody contributes to the insurance’s fond, and get’s the (reas/in)surance to receive help when needed. That’s especially true for all kind of social insurance or fire insurance companies.

        US health insurance seems to be of the betting kind and no mutual aid society. That’s a problem with deep roots.

      • black0ut@pawb.socialEnglish
        16·
        1 day ago

        The prohibition is not for your health, it’s because everyone else also has to breathe your smoke.

        Smoke in private, not in public places, and especially not in public places where children play.

  • devfuuu@lemmy.worldEnglish
    252·
    1 day ago

    Well, I guess it’s time to move. To France!

    This is literally the dream I’ve been screaming about for years.

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      61·
      10 hours ago

      I can tell you’ve never been to France…

      They’re not exactly known for respecting rules they don’t agree with.

      That, along with having the largest % of smokers in Europe, doesn’t make it a great place if you want to enjoy smokeless parks.

        • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
          32·
          13 hours ago

          “Vaguely annoy”? :D I mean vaping isn’t really harmful, so what would be the legal basis to ban something like this?

          • catty@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            13 hours ago

            vaping isn’t really harmful

            Yeah, no person would say that, thus you’re a bot. Heck even your history looks like AI slop.

            • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
              31·
              12 hours ago

              Ahh, now I’ve instructed my bot army to downvote you :D But seriously, I’ve read proper research papers about electronic cigarettes. Not the fake ones put out by big tobacco or the puritans where they deliberately measure dry hits, which are sill orders of magnitude better than cigarettes. Ultimately it’s just vegetable glycerin, polypropylen glycol and nicotine, with optional flavor. It’s not like you’d get addicted just by smelling a vape in a park. There is also no gateway to go from vaping to smoking.

              There is simply no valid legal argument you could give why it should be banned. Well, unless it’s massively annoying to a majority of people. But then they should really go after those kids with ghetto blasters and skateboards first.

                • AlteredEgo@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  11 hours ago

                  Sounds like it would make a good wedge issue for the next election.

                  PS: And yeah I get it, it’s weird that you KNOW someone breathed that out lol. I’d even support it if it was based on annoying someone with vaping at a buss stop or in a park. Like it’s a misdemeanor if someone complains, and only then. That should be enough so people police themselves to be more courteous.

    • TheodorAlforno@feddit.orgEnglish
      251·
      2 days ago

      I remember when smoking was banned in bars and restaurants. Smokers were furious. Now everybody enjoys it. I guess this could go the same way.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        15 hours ago

        It was either South Carolina or Georgia I was driving through to Florida and I stopped for some food and they had a smoking section in the restaurant.

        Kids were like ew it stinks in here.

    • rroa@reddthat.comEnglish
      62·
      15 hours ago

      It’s perfectly fine. If all smokers had the graciousness to not smoke around other people in public this wouldn’t be a problem. As someone who’s bothered by smoke it’s very annoying when I’m sitting on a bench in a park and someone comes up to the next bench and starts smoking.

    • daw@feddit.orgEnglish
      85·
      1 day ago

      Parks for me is also a bit of a headscratcher. Maybe something like banned in parks between 6:00 am to 21:00 pm could be a more differentiated solution?

      I understand also the “your freedom ends where my freedom starts” but that is a two way statement IMO. Yes you should not smoke where you will bother other people, but if somebody wants to smoke in public (after considerations for children and littering have been made) its also their freedom that should not be impeded without good reason in a blanket way.

      Personally I do not like dogs and feel significantly impeded in many freedoms due to their unquestioned ubiquity in public spaces. Your freedom to own a dog ends where my freedom to not be bothered by fear, noise and shit all over the place starts. sadly my freedom in this case is so far not respected enough by any means, but I still would not want them to be blanket banned in public spaces. I mean I personally would enjoy that but I do recognise that its also the freedom of other people to own a dog. I think similar arguments can be made about smoking…

      • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.orgEnglish
        64·
        1 day ago

        but if somebody wants to smoke in public (after considerations for children and littering have been made) its also their freedom that should not be impeded without good reason in a blanket way

        That’s what I was thinking too. Parks should be as inclusive as possible in my opinion. This “gentrifies” them and maybe that was the intention but I think it’s a step too far.

        • daw@feddit.orgEnglish
          51·
          1 day ago

          I am sorry but as a pet peeve of mine I have to point out that gentrifying is maybe not a good choice of word here (which is why you probably placed it in quotes). Not everything which makes places more friendly to the general public is gentrification it refers to a process of pioneering the tractivity of an area subsequently followed by an increase in costs which drives out the original pioneers (if they do not keep pace economically) as a person studying urban planning and related stuff I think that the word gentrifying is used inflationary in recent times and is loosing a bit of its meaning 😅.

          I do agree that parks should be inclusive and that means that cigarette smokes is an issue that has to be talked about. But I still think that blanket bans are not the way. maybe smokers areas like bbq areas. maybe time based phasing. maybe awareness campaigns? maybe a cultural shift that it is okay to tell smokers that one is bothered and of smokers to be more thoughtful of their second hand smoke? I feel like this people being bothered by other people is present in so many ways and in some people wouldnt even think about blanket bans and fines or it differs heavily between countries. TikTok on speaker in public places, bt-speakers with music, public alcohol consumption, reving your car, motorcyclist noise, body odor, live streaming etc pp a lot of stuff either is a huge problem or not depending on if people are considerate