• RaskolnikovsAxe
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    11 hours ago

    Goddamn right we should. Take the French up on the offer to build the Rafale here. Or the Swedes. And get a few demo units for short term.

    Fuck 'em on any cancellation fees too. Consider it partial compensation for the ridiculous trade war.

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      None of those airplanes even have similar capabilities. Why do you think the entirety of Europe has ordered so many F-35.

      The only alternative is to wait 15+(realistically 20+) years for a 6gen plane from Europe. And with the alliance dying, who knows how much longer it will take now

      Rafale and Gripen are more expensive and in many ways, less good. There is a reason why noone is buying them, or even if they did, they still want to buy more F-35.

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        Why do you think the entirety of Europe has ordered so many F-35.

        The reason for Germany is that other aircraft, by choice, have not been certified for use with US nuclear weapons.

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          Nuke capability is irrelevant for most countries(rafale has a nuke capable variant, though only for French nukes). Take a look at its operators

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_operators

          Everyone who can get it(allied to the US), has already ordered it or will soon. The only exceptions are Sweden and France, who wanted to maintain some degree of strategic independence and not lose their jet fighter building capability. And Spain, though Spain was also kinda thinking of getting F-35 too(before Trump).

          Canada was like Sweden and France, they could manufacture capable planes. But this is immensely expensive. Thats why Canada(and most countries) stopped doing it. This is why the F-35 is cheap, economies of scale, and why countries are willing to wait 5+ years to get it(while rafale and Gripen are basically readily available).

          Europe wanted to coast through 5gen planes by using the F-35 while skipping ahead and developing, 2 completely different apparently, 6gen planes by 2040ish.