Would this dox living people to be prosecuted or their children who may or may not be Nazi/neonazi?
E: Would a downvoter care to drop a sentence? I didn’t think what I said would be objectionable so I’m curious whether I got something wrong or why that’s objectionable.
Not sure why you got down voted, this seems like a pretty honest question.
That’s basically the dilemma at play here. It is important for public knowledge to know who in our country committed war crimes, but at the same time, their descendants are innocent and sometimes even unaware of their ancestors’ atrocities. Releasing that list could cause havoc in their lives and tear families apart.
Very few of the people who actually served in the war on either side are still alive (if we assume they had to be at least 15-ish in 1945, none of them would be less than 95-ish today). I suppose it might lead to a few problematic situations involving nursing homes, but most likely anyone trying to track these people down (a process likely to take years even with the list of names) will just find a series of gravestones.
Criminal prosecution of any who are still alive and committed crimes not subject to the statute of limitations (and not previously prosecuted) should be possible, but seems like a waste of time (especially given that our criminal justice system is sufficiently backlogged that the defendants would likely die of old age waiting for a trial date). I doubt the Crown would bother. Civil proceedings (for loss of specific objects, general pain and suffering, etc) could be brought, I guess, but I can’t see it resulting in more than maybe the return of one or two heirlooms.
Their kids, who are not responsible (legally or otherwise) for their parents’ actions, should mostly vanish into the large mass of Boomer-aged Canadians who have German-derived surnames. Many of them may not even know about their parents’ involvement in the war. Since most of them won’t have their records and personal histories splattered all over the Internet, tracing them is likely to require a lot of painstaking scrutiny of old paper documents, in return for not very much. Those hot-tempered enough to bother with extralegal persecution are more likely to concentrate their efforts on the Palestinians right now.
Like it or not, the time for any effective revenge in matters relating to that war is decades past, and the list is largely symbolic now. Should the current legal proceedings drag on for a few more years, it will become entirely so. I won’t say there’s no risk of some innocent descendant being doxxed, because people do really stupid stuff sometimes, but it seems like a low risk.
That’s along the lines of what I was thinking with the exception that I feel the risk of retribution towards unsuspecting descendants might not be insignificant. And then if you’d like to target neonazis in general, you probably want to target neonazis for their actions not their family tree. I don’t doubt some might come from ex-nazi families but I suspect most don’t. We have plenty known active neonazis in Canada to pick from.
Would this dox living people to be prosecuted or their children who may or may not be Nazi/neonazi?
E: Would a downvoter care to drop a sentence? I didn’t think what I said would be objectionable so I’m curious whether I got something wrong or why that’s objectionable.
Not sure why you got down voted, this seems like a pretty honest question.
That’s basically the dilemma at play here. It is important for public knowledge to know who in our country committed war crimes, but at the same time, their descendants are innocent and sometimes even unaware of their ancestors’ atrocities. Releasing that list could cause havoc in their lives and tear families apart.
Very few of the people who actually served in the war on either side are still alive (if we assume they had to be at least 15-ish in 1945, none of them would be less than 95-ish today). I suppose it might lead to a few problematic situations involving nursing homes, but most likely anyone trying to track these people down (a process likely to take years even with the list of names) will just find a series of gravestones.
Criminal prosecution of any who are still alive and committed crimes not subject to the statute of limitations (and not previously prosecuted) should be possible, but seems like a waste of time (especially given that our criminal justice system is sufficiently backlogged that the defendants would likely die of old age waiting for a trial date). I doubt the Crown would bother. Civil proceedings (for loss of specific objects, general pain and suffering, etc) could be brought, I guess, but I can’t see it resulting in more than maybe the return of one or two heirlooms.
Their kids, who are not responsible (legally or otherwise) for their parents’ actions, should mostly vanish into the large mass of Boomer-aged Canadians who have German-derived surnames. Many of them may not even know about their parents’ involvement in the war. Since most of them won’t have their records and personal histories splattered all over the Internet, tracing them is likely to require a lot of painstaking scrutiny of old paper documents, in return for not very much. Those hot-tempered enough to bother with extralegal persecution are more likely to concentrate their efforts on the Palestinians right now.
Like it or not, the time for any effective revenge in matters relating to that war is decades past, and the list is largely symbolic now. Should the current legal proceedings drag on for a few more years, it will become entirely so. I won’t say there’s no risk of some innocent descendant being doxxed, because people do really stupid stuff sometimes, but it seems like a low risk.
I somewhat agree, though honestly I think the symbolism has meaning. Every single one of those fucks should have their legacies destroyed.
That’s along the lines of what I was thinking with the exception that I feel the risk of retribution towards unsuspecting descendants might not be insignificant. And then if you’d like to target neonazis in general, you probably want to target neonazis for their actions not their family tree. I don’t doubt some might come from ex-nazi families but I suspect most don’t. We have plenty known active neonazis in Canada to pick from.
Many neonazis do not descend from WWII Nazis.
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