Who cares that people are experiencing food insecurity due to egg prices because being vegan just makes us better than them am I right?
I’m sure that if they look really hard in the store there are cheap bags of dried beans that would go a lot further than eggs even before the price increase.
People facing food insecurity due to egg prices increasing are relying too much on one source of nourishment.
You’re right, a single parent working three jobs definitely has the time and energy to change their food preparation habits. Definitely. Eggs being expensive is totally OK and doesn’t hurt anyone unless they’re both stupid and lazy. You’re right.
Fucking twat …
Uh oh, you’ve stirred up the armchair nutritionists again! Here to tell us how nutritionally deficient a plant-based diet is!
The issue is that for a lot of poor people, eggs were a great and easy way to get proteins.
Vegan diet is absolutely viable for the vast majority of people. However, the access to quality vegan food to all the population isn’t there yet.
Food desert are real and at least eggs were easier to get there than dried beans and rice. And that options is getting out of reach for a lot of people.
Ok so, i understand that it’s way more than it used to be but… Is $10 for a dosen really THAT bad? Are People using eggs literally every meal or something? I LITERALLY heard someone complaining about this while grabbing some at costco. Like genuinely upset and acting like they can never have eggs again while they have a cart easily pushing $400 of stuff not all of which is food.
I feel like everyone is strangely focused on eggs when there are way worse things going through the roof
Eggs were historically a very cheap source of protein and have a very diverse nutrient profile because they are designed to grow an animal from scratch. I recall in 2019 doing the math for protein/dollar and things like chicken breast, whey protein, eggs, and milk came out on top, but that was because eggs were 80 cents per dozen. It’s like if chicken breast went from its 2019 price of 1.99 to $15-20 a pound, or milk for $15 a gallon or whey for $100+ a bag. I used to consistently eat 3 eggs every morning because I was broke and eggs + rice + siracha was like a 50 cent breakfast, now that same breakfast would be approaching 3 dollars.
People are so upset because of the 10x effective price increase, just imagine a 10x in any other price in only 5 years. Rent, education, electricity
uh yeah 10 bucks for a dozen is pretty fucking horrible, they cost only slightly more than a tenth of that here in sweden.
I quit eating eggs in late 2018. At the time, a dozen eggs were well south of $2. I don’t think prices increased much until COVID hit. So that’s ~$2 to ~$10 in five years. Given that eggs and milk are staple foods, I can see why people would be highly concerned.
Eggs WERE one of the cheapest sources of protein available, so a lot of people depended on them since meat was so expensive. Now even that is taken from us.
eggs are also just generally really good nutrition, they are specifically meant to fuel the growth of the chick after all
and combined with them being vegetarian, eggs are one of the best foods available.Yeah, they were the best value for money for a long time. Within my recent memory (last ten years or so), if I’m recalling correctly, they were a dollar or less per dozen in my region of the US. You couldn’t beat them for nutritional ROI.
The thing about their price increases though is that up until relatively recently, I’ve read somewhere that bird flu was an excuse rather than an actual factor. I could be wrong on that, but I distinctly remember hearing it being tied to greed rather than an actual supply issue.
Yes and yes. I buy them from a farm, they’re cheap and delicious. I have eggs for breakfast and I have eggs as a snack in the evening
Naw. I’ll just walk to the chicken coop thanks.
Preach 👏 I even often (consensually) feed my eggs to vegan friends, because they know I care for and love my ladies.
You don’t have to be vegan to make a tofu scramble.
Hmmm… this might be exactly my take when vegans start to pay more because trump decided to flood the farms that produce a big part of their diet. Or when they realize that Mexico and Canada produce a lot of it as well.
Maybe it’s best not to be a smug asshole about things because things have a way of coming back around….
[…] the farms that produce a big part of their diet.
Those farms produce the majority of your calories as well, btw.
Looks like none of us should be smug assholes about it then, eh?
Seems like you’re inferring a lot from a meme…
Just say you love killing innocent animals for pleasurable eating and don’t like other people reminding you that you’re a monster!
I offer no apologies to you for my diet, as it doesn’t concern you- and as you are not owed one.
If it offends you, that’s a YOU problem.
I enjoy my omnivore diet as the omnivore animal I am
It’s kinda our business too because people are still forcing birds into confined spaces and making them sick, and being vegan is a stance against that.
I’d even argue that higher prices on eggs would make people cram more birds into the same spaces just to produce more eggs and make more money
Isn’t easier to just… stop buying eggs?
Won’t the prices come down if people, you know, stop pushing demand for them?
Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism.
Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism
But eggs are vegetarian. Avoiding meat is easy, but eggs are in a ton of recipes and not all of them work with egg substitutes
You say that like we don’t import a fuck ton of our produce from Mexico.
Everything is about to get way more expensive.
This is why backyard and community gardens are about to get a whole lot more important. A few of us have been trying to convince my job to set one up and I’m hoping tariffs are the push we need to get it done.
Won’t prices come down if people, you know, stop buying vegetables?
Agree.
There is a great push towards this stuff. Mostly trough the meat industry whos products getting shittier by the day.
A good meal is texture + flavor. As long as you give me the texture and flavor I want I couldn’t care less how it is accomplished.
And if I have the choice between 2 products who are equal in texture and flavor, I pick the option that caused less suffering in the world.
It’s not even a push. My elderly mother was telling me about her elderly friends who were going on “missions” to find eggs where they spent tons of gas driving around all day just trying to find eggs to buy since they’re scarce.
It floored me. I literally said to her “do they not understand if they stop buying them the demand will decrease and so will the price?” She shrugged and agreed that it was really foolish and wasteful.
Some people are just really ingrained in their habits and don’t even consider changing things like this in their lives.
I recently was at a friends house and they had made vegan chilli, NGL best chilli I’ve ever had.
I agree with you on your food preference and it’s like a breath of fresh air encountering someone who thinks the same way about food.
Send me that recipe if you can!
I wish I could but they haven’t shared it with me yet
They did laugh when I asked and they said “it’s basically chilli but with crumbly tofu, and don’t slack on the seasoning”
Super Firm Tofu. The vacuum sealed stuff.
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein
TVP is so amazing that i can’t help but feel like it’s being actively supressed by the meat industry, it’s incredibly close to the generic mouthfeel of meat and utterly trivial to manufacture.
Wait until vegans find out how much of their food comes from Mexico
Cries in avocado.
Don’t forget how much US based farms depend on migrant workers.
That doesn’t help your statement at all. Between the tariffs on imported foods and the lack of migrant workers on domestic farms, vegetable prices are going to skyrocket in a way that could potentially make egg prices look tame… but I guess that’s “none of my business”
Farm animals are also typically fed with produce these days. Grazing has become largely the exception, because the animals take longer to grow. As such, when produce prices go up, animal product prices will likely climb higher.
Animal product prices can’t go above what the market will bear. Meat spoiling on shelves will drive the prices back down.
If farmers can no longer afford to feed their cattle imported soybeans then they’ll go back to feeding domestic grains and corn.
Which means the cattle gets less protein-rich food, therefore puts on meat less quickly, therefore the output of meat is reduced. Less meat ends up on shelves and individual prices may need to be upped, since the farmers still have similar costs, but less products to sell.
Like, I don’t know, from what I’ve heard, the US market is plagued by fairly monopolistic meat resellers, so maybe you are right that they’re currently taking a big profit margin and can/must lower that margin as a result of this. But I still wouldn’t be all too sure that they won’t find a way to drive up prices anyways.
Good thing only vegans eat vegetables.
i dont really get why people have so much resistance when switching foods. seasons and shortages have existed since people started agriculture and when something becomes scarce, you pivot and eat what youve got. if there was some bizarre soy disease and tofu becomes expensive, im just gonna buy lentils 🤷
I was like this in the past, it’s just that you’ve spent your entire life eating the same things and only know how to cook those things (if you can cook at all), so changing feels very intimidating and involves several steps. It’s not just buying different things, it’s learning how to cook them properly and which ones you like, and getting over the bump of initial slight dislike of most new things which is pretty instinctive.
What we need is to help people learn to cook things and help them ease into trying new foods, ideally this would be family members and friends but specific community groups is good too.
People are creature comforted and they literally don’t know how to live without those creature comforts, so instead of considering changing anything in their lives they just double down and do stupid shit to get a hold of those creature comforts. Fucking addicts.
Any recommendations for a good source of omega 3 fatty acids for a plant based diet?
I think you’d probably need more than in an animal based diet since plant based fats and oils have way more omega 6 then animal based fats which can fuck up the balance.
my regular-ass cold-pressed rapeseed oil that i use for regular-ass frying has both omega 3 and omega 6
There’s loads, my best recommendations are algea oil or sea weed, soya, nuts, seeds take your pick.
The opposite is true, o3/6 exist in balance. If you don’t eat any omega3 your body gets a lot better at converting o6. Vegans get better omega readings than people who eat fish 2-3x a week.
Ground flax in cooking and you’re sorted
Freshly ground flax seeds are supposed to be good for that, but I’m way too lazy to do that haha
Instead, you can just get Omega 3 pills, seems like the least hassle 🤷
Get the algae omega pills
Vaccines are made with eggs, it will affect you
Even if eggs go to $24/dozen, then the cost of egg per dose of flu vaccine would be less than a $1. I only get one flu vaccine a year, so still irrelevant. Also alternative methods for flu vaccine exist and are used already.
And you don’t think pharma will skyjack the price because they can?
Not mRNA vaccines (like covid)
Can anyone familiar with veganism answer me a curiosity?
Would someone who’s vegan be fine with owning their own chickens and using them for eggs? If you’re not engaging in the marketplace for them, you can absolve yourself of the suffering egg laying hens in factory farms could be experiencing, but I’m not sure how the ‘suffer free because I raised them’ plays into the belief/practice.
I agree with what the others said, but I just want to point out that this ‘model’ vegan isn’t nearly as important as you might think. You don’t get a prize or hivemind access or whatever for conforming to some exact criteria. It’s ultimately just a convenient label to summarize that you’ve made certain moral choices. Well, and to easily identify products that work well with your choices. But making those choices is very much each person’s own adventure.
Other than the vegan powers of course
the laser eyes are particularly cool, it sucks that they only work when you’re alone, though.
The ability to take fast, clean-wiping, effortless shits every single time is my favorite vegan superpower.
Of course.
And they’re not without downsides. Since becoming all-knowing, I do sometimes forget that not everybody knows about vegan powers.
🙃
Veganism is a philosophy about animal exploitation. Vegans don’t even eat honey because it is an animal product. If you eat eggs from a back yard chicken, you are still participating in the exploitation of that animal and feeding systems which further exploit animals. Some detailed further reading:
https://theminimalistvegan.com/backyard-eggs/So no, a vegan would not do this. Though, what OP said about nomenclature remains true - some people are loose with the terms
e: a word
Would it be exploitation to give food, shelter, love, companionship etc in exchange for the eggs?
Veganism isn’t a religion, it’s a label people use to self identity as not eating anything from animals.
Every person decides for themselves what counts. I’m sure there are people who identify as vegan that are ok with backyard chicken eggs, and there are ones that don’t.
There is a whole industry around providing the chickens that people purchase for their backyards, and that industry has to sort the male chickens from the female, and then destroy the males. You can’t really participate in purchasing chickens without being involved in that aspect, which most vegans would object to, even if the chickens that live with them would be treated humanely.
There’s also some vegans who are fine with honey, and some that aren’t.
This has been discussed thousands of times online so I don’t feel the need to type out a very long answer.
The pure existence of modern day chickens is animal abuse. The closest known relative to the modern day chicken lays about 10-15 or so eggs a year. Modern day chickens lay eggs daily. It is extremely hard on their body, they have been selectively bred to provide output with no care for their wellbeing.
That being said, if a vegan were to rescue a chicken or something, and it produces eggs, the best you can do is usually feed them back to it. I know that sounds weird but if you feed the chicken back its own eggs, it helps recuperate lost nutrients, and they love it.
You would need to buy the chicken from somewhere. You would only buy the female chicken, because you want the eggs. There would still be male chickens that no one wants, except for reproduction. That would at least be my logic so I’d say no.
It really depends on the type of “vegan”. Some people are in it for the dietary benefits and others are in it for the animal welfare. Dietary is actually “plant based” but most people just say vegan, even it it doesn’t quite fit.
There’s also the environmental ones.
And the squeamish
The ones in it for climate/dietary benefits are plant-based, not vegan, as they wouldn’t have an issue with e.g. leather (at least the dietary ones)
True but when you go to a restaurant or store it is easier to just say vegan. No need to confuse people.
Like veganuary or a catered event they’ll rinse though all the things you need on a daily shop
Wonder if Just Egg is competitive on pricing yet…
Just Egg is only expensive because the company is interested in catering to a niche for those high margins. It is made from incredibly cheap ingredients like bean flour so it’s annoying that it is so expensive.
Literally just crumble tofu, fry it and add a thickish chickpea flower and water mix at the end. Season with KalaNamak. Done. Price for all of the ingrediets is very low.
Ground beef has been creeping up too, I’m honestly curious at what point does Beyond / “Impossible” brands start breaking even.
i suspect that once prices catch up they’ll just keep them in line with that of animal products, because fuuuuuuuuuck youuuuuuuu consumers, give us money!
They’re also relatively healthier, so if you include that “cost”…
Shoprite by me is $4.50/lb for meat, $7.99/lbs for beyond
It’s got a bit to go. Checked yesterday , granted at whole foods, and their fake ground beef was $0.56 and ounce while there regular ground beef was $0.38 per ounce . Both were the same 365 in store brand.
The cheapest fake ground beef cost about the same as the premium bison ground beef.
Where I am it’s currently $5.99 for the equivalent of 10 eggs. I expect that price to jump soon because capitalism.
Well if you use the liquid just egg, just remember low heat and add some fermented garlic 🍳
What is the fermented garlic added for? Could you substitute it for black salt? Just curious.
It’s for the “sulfur” taste to make it taste more like eggs. As another comment mentioned, there are other ways to add the sulfur taste, but fermented garlic is the easiest for me to acquire. I believe black salt does the same (though obviously adds additional salt)
