Reminder: Palestine was liberated once before from the Crusaders and not by convincing the European invaders of human rights or any other value but through force.
No one should be delusional that a western colonial project backed by western powers will someday recognize the humanity of Palestinians. The only principle that the west understands is might makes right. That is the principle they have applied towards colonized peoples. Everything they say above human rights is a thin veneer over that brutal truth.
100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.
I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.
How is this related to privacy? Seems like he’s pretty public about his views.
More western hypocrisy and racism. Nothing new. Hopefully they will become irrelevant sooner than later.
Is that opposed to the free speech of Saudi Arabia where you get hacked to pieces for being a journalist?
Saudi is aligned with the US/west, and even if they weren’t, multiple geopolitical powers can be oppressive at once, believe it or not.
In much of Europe speaking out can get you arrested. Many of us don’t believe in universally free speech, starting at insults and hate speech.
But he is guilty of neither
Regional context
He was not allowed to enter switzerland because Fedpol feared that he calls for violence and actively promotes Hamas (which Switzerland considers a terror organisation). As he crossed the border anyway, he got arrested and deported.
You can’t enter a country without a visa and wonder why you get arrested…
If that’s the conclusion you’ve arrived at after reading nazi-friendly content, then you’re probably a nazi too.
Ali Abunimah was born and raised in the U.S., so we can safely assume he possesses the U.S. citizenship and passport. What does Switzerland’s official immigration website have to say about U.S. citizens? Oh yeah, that’s right, you get full-on red carpet drawn for you:
And if the state designates an organization as a terrorist group, then that’s that right? We can just throw away our critical thinking (assuming we had any in the first place) and let the state known for rubbing elbows with nazis do the thinking for us, right? Piss off with that racist bullshit.
Note that while entering the Schengen area does not require a visa for USA citizens, you do have to get a visa waiver which is subject to limitations. See this document.
That’s true, starting from this year. I couldn’t find more information about this through primary sources of how tedious it is compared to your average long-and-arduous visa procedures that Global South countries are subjected to, but it appears to be a relatively quick non-process: https://www.axa-schengen.com/en/visa/visit-schengen/usa#1
The reason for his deportation wasn’t because “he didn’t have a visa” like the original comment purported as one of the points, or a lack of a visa-waiver for that matter. It was clear-cut “he’s too brown for our liking” but with glitter all over.
Note that Switzerland is not in Schengen
Switzerland is in Schengen, but didn’t join until 2004.
Apparently since 2024, according to this
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
Switzerland has been a member of Schengen since 2008 …
😆 so many different years
But yea, you are absolutely right
Congrats on confirming that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Thank you!
Apparently since 2024, according to this
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
Switzerland is in Schengen area and in EFTA but not in EU.
Apparently since 2024, according to this
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/
Missed that…
So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.
Edit: shengen was joined at 2008!
Stop spreading misinformation, Switzerland is fully in Schengen since 2008.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32008D0903
Thank you for correcting! 🙏🏻
I got confused somehow, was not intentional
The words “islamist” or “islamism” are so utterly meaningless nowadays. Basically means “brown person whose opinion we don’t like”.
I mean, there are things to critizise about him. But anyone who calls him an islamist juts shows his bigotry or utter stupidity.
(US citizens also don’t need a visa to enter Switzerland, but that is a technicality.)
I have not enough knowledge about him to say if it was reasonable to not let him in, but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.
I think it is in the manner of “better safe than sorry” it is reasonable to not give this man a visa. And I very much hope that a person celebrating Israel’s attacks would neither.
Right to defend is not equal celebrating death and destruction like it was some sort of a fucking party…
I agree with you, that Israel did not handle the situation like they should have. But I agree with Fedpol as well, to not let any extremist disturb the cultural peace we currently have in Switzerland.
but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.
Lol, if Switzerland kicked out every European who generically celebrated destruction or murder, it would be an empty country.
Only popular people get onto the radar of Fedpol.
And Switzerland has swiss citizens, there are not only European people in Switzerland.
And yea, I agree, that Fedpol does not always do the right decision, meaning false positives and false negatives.
But with this guy, I agree with fedpol, at least with that little information I have, hope this X posts are really from him and mot a smear campaign.
Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?
I’m going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It’s actually in Europe.
And by “doesn’t always make the right decision” you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.
Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.
I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol
I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that
Supporter and extremist is not the same
My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country
If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.
I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.
Supporter and extremist is not the same
Yes, actually, it is.
My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country
Great, when are you going to be leaving?
If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.
You’re not going to though. You will continue to persecute opposition to it though.
I support free speech
No. You don’t. You support speech that is not too far from what you believe, but nothing too different.
And how does this make him an islamist?
You’ve just involuntarily proven my point that the word “islamist” is just utterly arbitrary and mostly just used to hide racism at this point.
Umm, in the article I posted is nowhere written islamist. Only extremist supporting for palestine (and hamas as it seems).
Fedpol will ban any too popular person it thinks has connections to hamas from entering Switzerland
Then why does you answer to my comment have nothing to do with the point of my comment.
Maybe it have to spell it out: My point was that western media use the word “islamist” utterly arbitrary to attack brown people of any ideology, thus rendering the term useless. And that is discustingly racist. This is especially true for far right media like the NZZ that you cited.
Your point was that you apparently presume that I defend him, which I didn’t. He blocked me ten years ago in Twitter after a heated discussion. I don’t like him.
I now presume that your are discussing with bad intentions.
You ask me how it makes him an islamist after I commented regional context, i answer that I and the article never stated that he is a “islamist” (what that even mean, isn’t that just the same as saying someone is Jude/Christian??), and then you said I missed the point
🙉WTF
Lol, I have to check out if I can block you. I despice right wing trolls. But this is the headline of the article you cited and on which I commented:
“Erneut hätte ein Islamist in Zürich auftreten sollen, nun ist der Mann verhaftet worden. Regierungsrat Mario Fehr spricht von einem «Judenhasser»”
Und “Islamist” heißt auf english halt “islamist”. Versuch nicht meinen Kommentar zu verdrehen. Unglaublich, AFD-Taktiken…
My whole comment was about the use of the word islamist and you act like I defended him. I call this “ill faith”.
Fedpol will ban people connected to political causes and organizations it deems unacceptable.
Yes, that’s the point. That’s the thing we’re calling out.
But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?
As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.
But isn’t it understandable that Switzerland does not want foreign political organisations to interfere with the political landscape in Switzerland?
Is Switzerland banning everyone who’s expressed support for a foreign political organization? No? Ok then, guess that’s not what this is about.
As told above already, I just hope (and fear that is not) that similar extremists supporting attacks from Isreal, are banned from entering our country as well.
They aren’t and won’t be though. You know that, and you know why. They also won’t be banning people supporting attacks by the USA, or Ukraine, or any NATO power. Because that’s not what it’s about.
Screen shots aren’t articles. And that one is 2 days old.
Here’s a followup article with more details.War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
War is peas.
Freedom is celery.
Ignorance is spinach.
Fuck now i hungry
Always has been
Oh wait people are upset that Switzerland didn’t want a terrorist sympathizer in their country?
Thats like being upset that countries don’t allow Tommy Robinson in.
Palestinians have a right to armed resistance. This right is protected under international laws.
So most countries should kick out Israel supporters? That beeper attack was a state sponsored terrorist attack.
Mossad and the IDF are 100% terrorist organizations so I’d be fine with that yeah.
What, did you think that was a gotcha moment?
Go touch some grass.
Yeah yeah all brown people are terrorists. Do the world a favor and go sig heil off a cliff.
“it’s ok for the government to suppress free speech if the government declares that free speech unacceptable”
Brother Hamas is a terrorist organization. Nobody said shit about race.
Hamas is a political organ engaging in fully legal resistance against their occupiers.
Not that I give a single fuck about Western “international law”, but even by their standards, they’re not doing a single thing wrong, and if anything have shown great restraint.
More than 25000 children in Palestine are now orphans, and that’s with the wildly outdated numbers. This campaign of settler genocide has been going on since the Nakba. I’ll give you one guess as to what orphaned them and who is left to take them in.
No they are not.
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