Terminally unserious understanding of history and scale, the comparison in-and-of-itself trivializes the Holocaust 
Equating the two might qualify as actual Holocaust denial.
According to some Jewish orgs it would (sometimes they’re also Zionist themselves though, especially all the big ones like the ADL). Depends what they think of the Beijing riots, but they essentially all consider downplaying the Holocaust as being Holocaust denial. Good catch comrade
lemmee users are so used to being in an echo chamber that the real world is a shock to them
This one is a worlder, so they’re even more
eh, basically the same thing tbh
Nah let’s be real the real world in the West has none of what we’re saying, which is why they’re experiencing such culture shock
you’d be surprised
(not american)(not american)
Beep boop >Mention of China detected
Boop boop >analysis of emotion and intent
Boop boop boop??? >alert: praise of China detected by heuristic LLM
Beep >:( >PRINT: [gnkn23n1123jrnvf] “Lemmy is full of bots that propagandize about China!”
Obligatory: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/tiananmenreadinglist
I also did my own research on this awhile back, and what I found was:
- There was no massacre in the square or anywhere else, full stop.
- There was violence elsewhere in the city, but it wasn’t as one sided as western media would likely portray and several soldiers were killed by rioters in addition to civilians killed.
- The official numbers of dead and wounded likely at least comes close to the official data released.
- The CIA was involved in pushing the protests, and then helped the protest leaders escape after the fact. In other words, it wasn’t just ordinary Chinese people protesting.
- There were legitimate grievances that helped fuel the protests. This also included many who were upset about China’s policies around economic liberalization and the problems that created, which flies in the face of the western narrative.
- There’s room for criticism regarding how it was handled, but again there’s no serious evidence that any “massacre” took place and there’s also evidence of intent to avoid violence in many cases.
Again, this is what I arrived at, but feel free to chime in if any of this is wildly wrong.
it’s ingroup signaling one-up-manship, how will they top themselves next?
“the massacre killed hundreds”
“uh, the massacre killed thousands”
“pretty sure the massacre was equal to the holocaust”
“the true holocene extinction event was perpetrated by china in the nineties”
“the tanks flattened earth, it used to be round”
Everything is the Holocaust nowadays. Nobody gives a shit about the actual genocide, just the fact that they helped stop it so they’re the good guys and that everybody bad is literally Hitler
Are these Chinese bots in the room with you now?
shits themselves
They challenged my racist word view 😭
This isn’t far off from that one billionaire vampire that had the chutzpah to go on TV and wail that people disliking billionaires was equivalent to the Holocaust.
Denying a thing that happened
You can stop there
Trivializing the Holocaust by equating it to other events is an agreed-upon definition of Holocaust denial by a fairly broad range of institutions and viewpoints. Take from that what you will, but please don’t engage in Holocaust denial by pressing this point further. Unless you’re a Nazi, in which case I can’t really fault you for being consistent.
Quick question: do you deny the genocide of the white people in America?
Always love an opportunity for a source dump.
Confidential Cable from U.S. Government Embassy in Beijing Showing No Firing in the Square
Footage of the Evacuation of Tiananmen Square—Aired on Hong Kong TV
Protestors Immolated PLA Soldiers (thread)
Testimony from CBS News Correspondent in the Square*
*There was no massacre in Tiananmen Square. It had been evacuated and the fight between protestors and PLA soldiers occurred in surrounding areas. The CBS testimony says that the CPC denies the casualties in outer areas. This is incorrect, the mayor of Beijing had stated in a report that around 200 people died including PLA soldiers.
“According to the information we have so far gathered, more than 3,000 civilians were wounded and over 200, including 36 college students, died during the riot.” (p. 47). Xitong, Chen. Report on Checking the Turmoil and Quelling the Counter-Revolutionary Rebellion. New Star Publishers, 1989.
**Are we expected to believe that a group of tanks which had just got done driving over a supposed 10,000 people would stop for one man (and try to drive around him, which the man blocks), then let him get atop the tank, bang on it, and simply try to speak to him? The context of this famous image actually demonstrates the absurdity of the story (the Guardian cuts the later footage out as per).
