Europe won’t be able to finance Ukraine’s defenses against Russia’s invasion on its own if the US withdraws support under Donald Trump’s next presidency, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Friday.

Orban said recent events vindicated the conclusions from his controversial July diplomatic mission to Kyiv, Moscow and Beijing and showed Ukraine was losing the war.

“The Americans are going to get out of this war,” Orban, who is hosting a European Union summit in Budapest on Friday, said on public radio. “Europe can’t finance this war on its own.”

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  • dariusj18@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    There is an unfortunate reality that there is a tipping point. At some point, Europe will need to cede Ukraine and stock up for itself to defend the next Russian incursion.

      • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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        If the US allows Israel to annex the North of Gaza like it allowed it to annex the Golan Heights, Russia can just point to that as precedent and evidence of US double standards.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          The truth is that Russia already has a precedent in Yugoslavia. In fact, Russia intentionally modelled Ukraine on what NATO did in Yugoslavia where they recognized the independence of breakaway regions and had them invite NATO for help.

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        There is always a cutoff cost. For example, it cannot support Ukraine to the point that it’s own territorial security is compromised.

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          Ukraine is currently fighting this war for Europe too. Spending money and lifes directly in a confrontation is massively more expensive than sending weapons.

      • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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        I disagree, Europe needs to never cede Ukraine at any cost—anything else is rewarding the warmonger

        Yeah, why would Europe do that? After all its Ukrainians who will continue dying after being kidnapped off the streets and forbidden to leave the country.
        Enjoy your life, and don’t think of hundreds of thousands dead people (not like you ever did that of course)…

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      Yeah the best way to discourage a revanchist is to give him what he wants. Succeeding in Ukraine will definitely convince Putin not to attack the baltics, poland, or finland.

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        If NATO is really as effective as it’s claimed to be, then the baltics, Poland, and Finland have nothing to worry about.

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          The enemy is both strong and weak. Russia is a paper tiger that will roll over all of Europe.

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            That’s what I don’t get. Russia is a laughing stock with its outdated equipment and inability to conquer Ukraine, yet it is also a massive threat to Europe leading Sweden and Finland scrambling to join NATO.

            And if we are to believe that NATO is an effective alliance, then surely Russia will go no further than Ukraine. Yet we can’t let Putin win because he will try to go further than Ukraine.

            Make it make sense. Some people are talking out both sides of their mouths.

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      stock up for itself to defend the next Russian incursion.

      As long as NATO stops its incursions, I don’t see why European states would need to do that.

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        I was saying that with the assumption that the US winds down support for Ukraine and is not seen as a trusted partner for European security.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          I mean, the US Democrat administration blew up its European partner’s gas pipeline, which is a casus belli, so it was already untrustworthy.

          Henry Kissinger:

          • America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
          • It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.
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      That is a crazy take. Europe could spend some money and help Ukraine win this without losing any of their own soldiers’ lives.