It has been said a gazillion times over the last few months, but is it getting through to those who need to hear it?

  • voiceofchris @lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I disagree. Third party votes do quite a bit to move political platforms. No one wants to leave 10% of the vote on the table when that’s all it takes to seize victory. So they move their platforms to encompass what the 10% are voting for.

    if you actually want to have a say in which of these two wins,

    That’s just it. I, and many others do not value having a say in which of these two gets elected as highly as we value promoting 3rd parties, speaking our hearts with our votes, and edging towards a better political situation for the next generation.

    But yes, the electoral system is broken. And ending first past the post will be the single biggest savior of US politics.

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      That’s just it. I, and many others do not value having a say in which of these two gets elected as highly as we value promoting 3rd parties, speaking our hearts with our votes, and edging towards a better political situation for the next generation.

      And if one of these 2 hasn’t made it clear that they want to erode the integrity (if not right eliminate) all future elections that would be a valid argument. If the Republicans actually had a reasonable law abiding candidate then there would be no problem with people voting 3rd party.

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        2 months ago

        I mean, i’d like to believe that you make that case in good faith. But you have to realize that third party voters are admonished by the status quo voters every single presidential election. Every one. So, while this may be the first time you personally have argued that a third partier should vote for your candidate, third partiers have heard it over and over again. You know all those other elections that didn’t have a Trump in them? Yeah, we heard it then too. So, i’m sorry but the whole “this is the most important election in history” schtick just doesn’t warrant any consideration when you’re hearing it for the umpteenth time.

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          Trump has repeatedly stated he would be a dictator on day 1 and refuses to walk it back when asked about it. He encouraged and supported what happened on January 6th.

          There has never been a candidate that was openly and fundamentally against democracy like this.

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            2 months ago

            Trump should be caught up in too many legal battles from all the crimes he’s committed to have any time to campaign or be relevant in the election. The fact that he’s not is already a massive failure of our political system.

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              2 months ago

              It’s a massive failure of the legal system, and the legal system is in failure because it has been corrupted by Republican politics.

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          When was the last time there was a presidential candidate who literally said they’d be a dictator, who says there won’t be any elections in the future, who fails to recognise the previous time he lost, who incited a civil uprising, who says he might murder his political opponents?

          “this is the most important election in history” schtick just doesn’t warrant any consideration

          Holy fuck. When I was younger I used to wonder how the Nazis ever managed to gain power. I don’t anymore.

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      2 months ago

      If Trump wins and doesn’t succeed in abolishing voting, the democratic party would be pushed further right, having fielded one of the more leftwing democrats in my lifetime and lost against one of the most clearly bad choices for president of my lifetime. Your precious theoretical better political situation isn’t going to come remotely close to reality in that scenario.