I got banned from reddit (honestly feel a lot better without it)
But I miss being able to answer stupid questions and relationship questions.
Lemmy is great, but why aren’t there that many people on here? I don’t get it.
An I using my filters wrong or something?
let’s see your proofs, young man
And I’m not a man, fuck off with that. Don’t explicitly gender people when you have absolutely no idea, it’s obnoxious and alienates women that use the platform.
Lmao I took this when I visited sopuli the other day, literally the first comment on this thread.
The space seems to exist for people to seethe. As for Beehaw it has literally no community at all so there’s like only like 10 comments per day, given that you’re advertising it solely as a place to escape communists it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.
Founding and advertising a community based on anti-communism results in that becoming its core identity. The outcome of what kind of reactionary space that will create in the longterm is inevitable, hating people trying to build a better world is a terrible pillar upon which to build a community.
Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing. The foundation of a flagship needs to be “we’re building the future of community on the internet” and understand how human beings form communities and what interpersonal connections are needed in order to achieve it. What these two spaces are doing is making a pillar of their identities hate for communists wanting to build a better world, Lemmy wouldn’t exist as a platform if not for communists wanting to build a better world and recognising the need to get away from corporate controlled social media.
To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies. We do, however, have a clear guiding principle of being nice to each other. Spreading hate and degrading other users are not examples of nice behavior and are not allowed on our platform.
Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair. We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different, by centering the kind of behavior we’d like to see and trying to deconstruct the idea of easily subverted rules (too much focus on the letter of law and not enough focus on the spirit of the law).
Yes you are, you explicitly block the communist lemmy.
What are you going to do when Hexbear federates? It’s a mixed communist and anarchist space 20x bigger than the rest of lemmy combined filled with people that explicitly adore China, defend, stand behind the position that NATO is primarily responsible for this war and that it has now reached a point at which the only way the war can end is for Russia to win because Ukraine’s psychotic leadership has banned every anti-war party and closed every tv channel that had an anti-war lean. The outcome of this means the left opposes sending weapons to Ukraine because it prolongs the war and the suffering it causes.
This probably sounds wild to you as a liberal. But all of this isn’t a controversial position among socialists, it’s pretty standard here in Britain among the socialist left and if you take any time to go looking at what American socialists are saying you’d find it’s also the case among them too. For example the DSA’s current position.
I think really what’s happening with you guys is that you don’t realise how far right you are, you support Biden right? The fuckhead is to the right of the Tories. Over here you’d be a Tory and this is the British left’s discourse on that.
I think you guys have absolutely no idea just how far right you are and how completely insulated from the REAL left in the world you actually are. You live in a media landscape completely captured by capital (which you support) that maintains a bubble that utterly deplatforms the organised and educated working class who know where their interests lie from any kind of participation. When you exit your corporate media bubbles and see the real left you undergo a considerable culture shock. I consider you, a Biden supporter, far right. You’re fundamentally to the right of bloody Thatcher on every economic issue and my street celebrates her death with a fucking party every single year.
“The socialists are too mean so we block them!” is the most bullshit excuse ever. It is far more to do with blocking socialism and the left than it is to do with the way people speak, you’re just blocking the left via the usual liberal methods of making up barriers that would defacto capture most of the left. This is the same tactic as the racists in America that don’t explicitly target the black community but instead write policies that would overwhelmingly affect them and not white communities because the policies target issues that are prevalent within black communities.
What do I mean by this? Tone policing explicitly targets working class people. You want to control the manner in which I express myself, the manner in which I speak. You want to demand that I speak in your suitably middle-income white suburbanite american accepted manner of speaking. If I don’t “speak right” then you want to kick me out of your spaces. This kind of policy OVERWHELMINGLY targets working class people because it is working class people that come from backgrounds where the way we are brought up is less privileged, where expression between one another is not a priority compared to figuring out how I’m going to pay the scumsucking landlord last month’s rent which is now 6 weeks late while feeding the rest of the family while energy prices have risen 500%.
Don’t police people for how they speak, you create bubbles that don’t include working class people by doing this.
People should be policed for what they say, not how they say it.
By taking on the policy approaches that you have, you have built an explicitly anti-working-class space, which by extension is anti-communist because socialists are the real representatives of the working class. You’ve done exactly what spaces like /r/politics did to alienate the working class and create the most horrifically right wing liberal hellholes imaginable.
There is nothing narcissistic about setting big goals. Restricting yourself from the outset because why? Because some mean people might say mean words about the goal? Do you want to be around those people? Are those the people you want to attract? Or do you want to attract people that genuinely want to build the future?
I have no interest in being called a liberal as a slur or by being told who I support when you’ve made no attempt to learn anything about me. This is precisely the kind of behavior we do not tolerate on Beehaw - you have a bone to pick with a certain kind of individual and you’re taking it out on me without understanding the first thing about me. For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.
This isn’t tone policing in the slightest, but I do not have the time to explain or iterate on the nuances relevant here when you’re already painting us with broad strokes. Have a wonderful day.
Did you vote for Biden? Your wording here implies that you did. So you act as a liberal but wear anarchist aesthetics.
Most of this response is just you dodging the point. You want to block communists and anything that criticises policy allowing you to do so will be ignored because it’s inconvenient. I don’t consider you an anarchist if you vote for liberals, and I don’t consider you an anarchist if you punch left instead of right. You’re reinforcing the status quo of liberalism by doing so, you are functionally aiming to pull things rightwards rather than leftwards by punching left. And as I mentioned before your tone policing functions to suppress the working class, it actively suppressed anyone that doesn’t speak right. What you demand of people is a middle-income culturally white manner of speaking. You hate the working class and your policy is actively classist.
This just comes of as argumentative flaming. They didn’t imply or even suggest they voted (at all), and you’re just springboarding off that assumption to throw off-topic insults and guilt by association, before getting to this absolute troll phrase “You hate the working class and your policy is actively classist”.
Read the lemmy.ml instance rules. Even just the first two.
Of course they did. A communist would say “I don’t support Biden, I voted PSL or write-in. You’ve got me completely wrong.”
The wording he chose was specifically “I don’t like what Biden is doing” which comes with the implicit “but I voted blue no matter who because I’m a fucking liberal that supports capital”.
Yes I’m well aware of their recent application of this, we’ve had conversations about it. It upsets me more that Lemmy got dragged into this mindset when it could do it better.
I don’t know what your problem is with me saying you hate the working class if you engage in classism. If you engage in racism you hate marginalised races. Same shit, different hierarchy. Classism is prejudice and bigotry directed at the working class.
No, it doesn’t come with that. Any of it. You invented an enemy that doesn’t exist.
Someone said: “I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.”
The rest is all you making assumptions that most likely aren’t true. It’s as nonsensical as me saying that you just said a communist would have voted in a US federal election, so you’re clearly a social democrat reformist with faith in the bourgeois system and therefore an anti-communist. The extrapolation is tenuous, inflammatory and probably completely wrong.
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