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Cake day: Apr 01, 2022


Federation for Pixelfed, Mastodon, Pleroma and Peertube solve one main issue which is the lack of freedom of speech.

I completely disagree. In fact, ‘freedom of speech’ is not why I use Lemmy instances as opposed to other sites. I haven’t been banned from any reddit-like site. It’s also not why I use PeerTube. And based on what I’ve seen, 'free speech ’ isn’t the main reason why people use Pixelfed/Mastodon/Pleroma. Most of the millions moving to Mastodon aren’t doing it because they or their friends were banned or censored. The following points apply just as much to those platforms as they do Lemmy:

Even your implicit argument of different rules/moderation isn’t the main reason I use Lemmy’s federation. Federation allows small communities with different communities, different moderation and different softwares to cross-pollinate. This is extremely useful for social media platforms where popularity is (let’s generalize) necessary, and we don’t have the first mover advantage like reddit.

  1. Different Lemmy communities don’t have to compete. Progressive liberals can sign up to beehaw, classical liberals can sight up to wolfballs, leninists can sign up to lemmygrad, and ALL OF THEM can subscribe to mander.xyz communities! We’re not forced to pick and choose between a dozen competing environment communities, not hurt by splits in community over moderation differences.

In small communities this helps them stay alive. I’ve been on sites that have died. It’s not fun! That’s one thing federation solves for me.

  1. If an instance’s administration suddenly make a choice I don’t like, and I want to change my account to another site, I don’t lose access to all the communities I helped build. This doesn’t even have to be a moderation decision, it can be them changing the software or accidentally breaking it, or worst case, forcing ads or trackers on users. This is Free and Open Source Software. If Lemmy altogether somehow made major software changes I don’t like, I can edit the software and host my own instance. Then I am the moderator, there’s less trust I need to place in other moderators!

Having been a moderator for many highly-liberal (as in liberty, like ‘freedom of speech’) communities, you’ll understand what I mean when I say not all speech is worth reading, even if there is value in letting people be allowed to say it. So, you are right in that federation has an appeal for ‘freeze peach’ idealists. Wolfballs exists and federates, despite their users being banned from the most popular instances. Lemmygrad didn’t want to listen to the neo-nazis who were taking advantage of Wolfballs’s freedoms. So due to federation, Wolfballs still have a platform and community, and Lemmygrad don’t have to waste their time scrolling through it, while both communities have access to other less-political federated instances. That’s a real scenario that happened. Not some idealistic what-if.

It absolutely doesn’t, if I own an instance I can easily add ad features and analytics and allow advertisers to make accounts. However, culturally, there is generally a resistance to those things. It’s real and it’s meaningful. Sure, someone can scrape instances for some stats because they’re public websites but it’s not the same as tracking cookies and other technical invasive techniques that are commonplace.

It’s a two-edged sword: if a creator makes money from their art by shoving ads and marketing in my face, I wouldn’t mind them being alienated from most of these communities.

That doesn’t mean they can’t make money from their art, in fact alternate strategies like crowdfunding and donations for supporting artists are increasingly viable online.

I know it requires a cultural adjustment for most people to actually financially support artists and online services as we’re so used to them being supplied gratis, but it’s one that has shown itself to work in communities.

Probably Stable, I just use distro default (currenlty 5.15.*)

Well, also that they’re looking for a twitter replacement and not a reddit replacement. It’s not that they’re generally annoyed with the mechanics or format of twitter, but they’re looking for an alternative to its current leadership and direction.

But I suppose them being on Mastodon and therefore being exposed more to interoperable Fediverse platforms could give more causal exposure to PixelFed/Lemmy/PeerTube/etc.

I’m not a Mastodon/etc. users but I can sympathize with some other sites. Even here has its own Ongoing September from redditors.

I would recommend reaching out to moderation teams and raising awareness, because they probably have far more ability to put global notifications or sign-up messages, and to give warnings to uncomfortable behaviour.

Make sure to call out twitter carryover, in a constructive way, so that people are aware that Mastodon isn’t ‘twitter but here’.

Honestly, if that happened in my city, I’d try and start a chant saying “Fuck Candy Crush” and hope it rewrites the headline.

In a community called World News, it’s useful to make sure the post title shows which country this is about.

Excellent find! It’s appears to be well-organized too, I love that.

(I replied to the other comment in detail, you’re right, it was salt.)

You were right to call it dubious, I was incorrectly informed. Salt is considered the major suspected culprit. A search for “japan diet stomach cancer” will give a bunch of studies and articles, I of course can’t verify them but it’s definitely a studied phenomenon. One study says: “Mortality ratios [from stomach cancer] are higher in northern Japan, particularly in areas facing the Japan Sea” while many in the south “show low rates”.

User got 3 days for “getting into fights with many users” global modlog/community modlog

They did have a couple of deleted comments that were correctly hit for rule 2 (although it’s still inconsistent moderation, seeing how worthless insults like this stay up) but being banned for arguing with many people? That’s beyond reasonable. This is a political thread, a bunch of users disagreed with a poorly-made but legitimate critique, and the person gets banned for replying to many of them?

Might as well say ‘this is an echo-chamber, controversial opinions are banned’. I agree, very disappointing, and not based in the site or community rules.

It’s a bit disappointing to ask “where did they get the percentage?” before immediately giving some uncited ones of your own: “individual nations, majority of them supports Ukraine (and US/EU etc)” and using an article from a conservative ‘think tank’ (wiki link) when complaining about propaganda.

[I am not Canadian, but have lived for long times in countries with similar governance]

If we ignore moral/ethical arguments (which certainly can matter! but they shouldn’t be relied on, especially in political contexts), why would the government benefit from doing that?

I can only think of reputational reasons, which would be more easily or effectively achieved by doing other things. It’s one of those things which it would be nice to do, but I don’t think they will. The power plant companies have more influence than those that want affordable housing.

Xonotic, STK and 0 A.D. have been my main 3. They’re pretty fun offline too.


I’ve heard (anecdotally) that the Japanese diet needs to watch for high vinegar (salt, see replies) leading to stomach cancers, but otherwise an excellent diet. And you gotta love raw fish and miso!

Please the report feature to bring up troublesome users (or if really necessary, the lemmy.ml community), this community is for the software called Lemmy.

It’s counterproductive to conflate racism, homophobia and transphobia with fascism.

They’re all disgusting behaviors. Make no mistake, they’re all mindless, anti-social, and dangerous. However lumping them into the term fascism trivializes what makes fascism in particular dangerous or appealing to its audience, it falsely suggests that fascism without those traits, a national fascism rather than a racial fascism (which is indeed what some fascists propose) isn’t reprehensible, and makes people who have seen a defintion of fascism think it’s just an ignorant slur just like calling any queer person a liberal, which will make people just not listen.

You don’t have to be one to be the other. They’re all horrible. Don’t pretend their problem is being a fascist; their problem is being a racist anti-queer idiot.

Well, how do the admins here define ‘leftist’?

That’s actually a major part of my post. We can’t recommend a better idea without knowing your own definition because ‘leftist’ is just so ambiguous. That’s why it’s a problem. If I know how you define it, I can suggest a few alternatives.

However people who saw the original comic and saw the progressive edits that gradually became more and more abstract would have often understood. Like many imageboard memes, it was an in-joke.

Hmm, free vpn services could be an option too, depending on use-case. I wouldn’t personally trust one for privacy/security purposes, but as a mere geolocation proxy it may be appropriate.

I don’t see how that’s relevant here. I’m sure you do hear people who say that dumb junk, but it would be nice to not bring up their generic junk on a specific informative post. It gets in the way of discussion of the actual post content.

I think it could be an opportunity to clarify some of the rules. I’ve made a post on /c/meta about clarification of the term ‘leftist’ for example, because the vagueness can easily lead to reasonable, avoidable conflict.

Spoiler: The original is this comic.

Well, that’s something that needs to be resolved, sooner is better than later, or it will lead to more drama later. Are you using your staff position to enforce personal opinions/preferences, or are you taking the role of a moderator enforcing site rules?

The 4 site rules here (especially #2) seem clear to me that people shouldn’t be banned merely for their supposed personal opinions, or what they do elsewhere.

What’s the point of making a comment like this? You’re just mocking something that no-one said.

I have noticed some cases where it is possible to read a comment as either sarcastically humourous or sincerely insulting depending on whether it was voted up or voted down. So I think there is a real predisposition bias there.

I agree, the first mover advantage is huge. These are social sites, merely being a “better” product isn’t enough (but I do think it’s necessary).

I suppose an advantage for us of reddit’s position (that is, bound foremost by venture capital and profit, and therefore to reputation and popularity) is that we will inevitably see more entire communities alienated and cast out, and Lemmy is demonstrably already in a position to catch them, as we’ve seen with /r/GenZedong, /r/ChapoTrapHouse (hexbear) and /r/chodi (bakchodi). Like you said, /r/piracy is basically an inevitability, or even a gateway (if they said something like “If you want to share links, visit /c/piracy”). I wonder if it’s worth keeping a watch-list of places at risk, or places that might want to come for cultural reasons like /r/privacy or /r/foss (EDIT: I also wonder if the gateway strategy could be useful for political subreddits if there are boundaries they can’t cross due to site rules despite the subreddit moderators being fine with it)

In that case, it seems ironing out all the major usability bugs for newcomers is the best strategy rather than adding new features.

the entire first minute is just unfounded petty insults

For real? Come on.

reddit does have major, systemic issues with major moderators, some which are touched upon very well, and some left unsaid such as known political think-tanks inserting moderators into national and political communities, but the video creator’s approach, especially a generalized grouping of ‘reddit moderators’ as a single conspiring group, is just a silly way to start. It encourages people to just dismiss it as ‘moderators are just bad people who are powertripping bullies and wannabe police officers’ instead of realizing that there is an important diversity in who moderators are, on any site, and that systematic issues cause the rise of the worst despite the majority. It’s important to realize this phenomenon isn’t distillable to just ‘reddit moderators’, it can and should be generalized to any sufficiently significant site, especially any with money or a wide influence involved.

As this documentary hints, reddit is and always was a for-profit company, bound by venture capital and shareholders to be the most popular it can be. Aaron’s and even Alexis’s ideals aren’t going to stop that. Reputational damage is bad for popularity. The site dies if popularity dies. They are FORCED to censor to survive, at least when any popular media makes a fuss and scares their shareholders.

And in a way, that’s where Lemmy has a chance to thrive where most (not all, most) reddit-like sites fail. Look at the ‘alt-tech’ platforms that made themselves home for banned reddit communities, then turned out to just be venture-capitalist censorship-happy (politically rather than language) places that died out in years. Lemmy on the other hand allows groups to thrive independently, even despite the views of the developers or any funding. The devs of lemmy.ml couldn’t shut down wolfballs or here even if they wanted to, or more importantly, if they took up funding from someone who wanted to. The software’s operating and funding model effectively eliminates the need to conform to popularity as it grows. Of course, that still leaves other issues like political and social control of mods over instances they volunteer for, but the removal of economic subservience is a major advantage.

So they made the main streets a proper grid, and then put strange nonsensical snakes inside each of the huge blocks.

I hear news of a train strike upcoming in the USA, how does pro-car culture affect that?
Open question, but here's my reason for asking: I'm aware that the UK [temporarily halted] and Australia also have active train strikes that affect travel. Since the trains are quite widely used by citizens on their ways to and from work, the strikes inevitably make many of the affected people angry due to the inconvenience. So I wonder if USA's notorious anti-public transport norms mean that a train strike will become more of a commercial issue than a personal issue. There has already been concerned industry organizations like the fertilizer one urging the government to make the striking illegal, do you foresee any important anger among the general population over the strikes?

What bad habits of reddit’s userbase have you noticed on Lemmy sites?
# NO POLITICS. Almost inevitably, most of the people joining Lemmy instances are former-reddit posters those who consider it a 'reddit clone' as opposed to an independent link aggregator site. This can be seen in the most popular communities (simply recreations of existing reddit subreddits), terminology (people saying 'sublemmies' or 'subs') and most importantly, habits. What social habits have you seen that are commonplace on reddit but should really be discouraged among users moving to here?

My point is that “INVIDIOUS” is a very unhelpful title, and it would be helpful to edit it into something more descriptive and less clickbaity.

  1. Reddit is a private company founded in 2005, valued at $1.8 billion dollars and employing around 350 people. Lemmy was founded two years ago and is run with relatuvely little funding (I would say approximately two paid employees and a dozen or so volunteers, distributed around different instances). That’s not comparable. At all.

  2. Most people aren’t banned from reddit. Your personal experience is rare. If someone isn’t banned from the biggest platform, they need a motivation to leave. Why would they leave? I know why YOU would leave, but why would THEY leave?

  3. Most people coming here, not all but most, are doing it because they were banned from reddit. As a result, they just try to recreate reddit here, instead of making something better, a better culture or a higher quality of community. Lemmy is treated by the majority as a ‘free speech reddit’ and nothing more.

  4. Strong political bias in the popular communities may be distasteful to the majority of people who would use a reddit-like site, who tend to be pro-capitalist liberals.

Since the technical questions have been answered, I’d like to chip in on the social questions:

[spoiler'd for being less relevant] >Very “free speech”?

Where is this stemming from? Who are you quoting? As you can see on their front page, they explicitly have rules against even things as simple as being unfriendly. Which is suitable to their goal as a community, which isn’t being some free speech haven like wolfballs.com attempts to be. They never claimed to value free speech, that contradicts their site purpose.


Banning people because you don’t like what they do on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT websites?

This makes sense in federation, where your users are interacting with content on those different websites. Not every site’s users wants to see the same things, and if one serious site (similar to gtio.io ) is full of people who think a joker is derailing a community with insults and poor arguments, and another is a comedy site and doesn’t see that low effort stuff as an issue and enjoys it, they can both moderate that user the way that their community expects. Serious people don’t flood the joker with complaints or get annoyed, the comedy site get to enjoy their posts. It allows different sites to collaboratively use a community despite having different values and different moderation policies. If your answer is ‘just don’t federate’, then we’ll end up with far more unnecessary copies of communities over moderation differences and a huge lack of content and interaction.

I think I understand and recognize your point about how blocking you for what you said in a different context (a site with different rules and people!) is unfair, because that blocks you from Beehaw communities where you would have acted in line with their rules, because it’s on their site and not the other less strict site. And I agree. That said, I think the situation of you or me being forced to register a new Beehaw account to participate in Beehaw communities is a more usable solution than Beehaw having to just not federate with most communities because they want to ban some people that the other communities can tolerate. When you’re here, other communities’ users are still seeing your comments, and they should be able to say ‘our users kept reporting you, we don’t want to see your lemmy.ml account’s posts’.

As a side note, please consider giving posts more useful titles, such as “Why is Invidious downloading so slowly?” and, since Invidious is a hosted software and not a single site, tell us which instance you’re using.

Yeah, I hesitated to mention Mastodon and Pleroma as I don’t know the policies on character limits (I suspect it can change per site???)

Link aggregators (like Lemmy and reddit) are weird in that they’re literally invented for the purpose of linking to other sites, like you suggested you would do on Mastodon, but it’s become normal in the past 10 years to make text posts and start uploading media directly on the site. It’s an interesting shift. I guess that’s why I wasn’t sure to recommend it for blogging: you totally can and have a connected community available, it just feels like an unintended purpose. But it seems like it would work, I say go for it.

The wording he chose was specifically “[misquote]” which comes with the implicit “but I voted blue no matter who because I’m a fucking liberal that supports capital”.

No, it doesn’t come with that. Any of it. You invented an enemy that doesn’t exist.

Someone said: “I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.”

The rest is all you making assumptions that most likely aren’t true. It’s as nonsensical as me saying that you just said a communist would have voted in a US federal election, so you’re clearly a social democrat reformist with faith in the bourgeois system and therefore an anti-communist. The extrapolation is tenuous, inflammatory and probably completely wrong.

You could. The better question is if you should.

Who is your target audience? Would a microblogging platform like Pleroma or Mastodon be more appropriate? They’re pretty popular.

lemmy.ml has a no-porn rule, I don’t know about the other ones but I haven’t seen a porn community yet.

If a city were designed around public transport, what would still require private motor vehicles?
I've limited the scope of this question to a dense city, although you're free to explore further if you want. Let's assume a country designs a new planned city, with an emphasis on avoiding private motor vehicles like cars and trucks. Would any tasks still require private motor vehicles, such as the moving of heavy goods? It's easy to look at current society and see 'well we'd need a truck to deliver furniture to office buildings, or moving products to stores', but will a planned city be able to avoid this?

An iceberg list compiled by /leftypol/. While a few of these are (true to the format,) sensationalist or tenuous, most are real events.

I would definitely recommend viewing some of the other videos on that channel, whichever titles take your interest.

An exploration of the Lemmys, for discussion
##### What is this post? A quick and dirty look into Lemmy instances, their size and interactions, and some insights. ##### Disclaimers * I AM NOT AN EXPERT OR WITNESS: I only started using Lemmy in March 2022. Lemmy was around for around 3 years before that. I am not a developer or instance owner. * I DID NOT GO AND TALK TO PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF: This is just me exploring for fun and starting a conversation. This is not a proper study. Consider telling any one who links you to this page as if it's an expert historical account that I called them an idiot. * This is limited by my experience and my searching, it's not comprehensive. If someone made a dark instance, I probably won't find it. If there's some deep lore, I probably don't know it. Thanks to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list for many of these stats. ##### Alright, Now for the casual rambling. Organic posting started on lemmy.ml from April 2019 so I will consider that the start of Lemmy as a service (my understanding is that lemmy.ml is the oldest non-dev instance) As of now (May 2022) AFAIK, the Lemmy-based sites with the most **total user comments** are: - hexbear.net (2.5M) - lemmy.ml (114K) - lemmygrad.ml (105K) - bakchodi.org (42K) - wolfballs.com (15K) - szmer.info (15K) - feddit.de (3K) - *[dev instances ignored]* - sopuli.xyz (1504) - lemmy.eus (1262) - lemmy.ca (974) The count of **users active in the last month** is similar: - hexbear.net (unlisted, [approx. 1.3K in the last 14 days](https://www.hexbear.net/post/195720)) - lemmygrad.ml (508) - lemmy.ml (474) - bakchodi.org (286) - szmer.info (65) - feddit.it (51) - sopuli.xyz (31) - wolfballs.com (29) - feddit.de (29) - lemmy.ca (17) My guess is that the difference at the bottom of the list is due to highly federated instances spreading their user comments over many instances with more activity, and also due to some instances peaking a few months ago and then declining. For those new to user statistics, you'll notice that popularity usually tends to be exponential: more popular things get more popular. ### What was that first one? Hexbear? Two of the sites listed there, Hexbear (aka. chapo.chat) and Bakchodi, do not federate. They are not part of the Fediverse, but they are using Lemmy. Hexbear is actually running their own *fork* of Lemmy. In that sense it reminds me of Gab, another huge island fork, but only due to size and isolation. While I can't find an admin statement, various Hexbear Gitea issues from 2020 and this comment from December 2021 ["We’re working on bringing Lemmy up to speed with some of the features our “fork” (it’s more of a rewrite) has. When that’s ready we’ll switch to that which will already have federation ready for us."](https://www.hexbear.net/post/163415/comment/2003658) and this from Feb 2022 ["The only issue is that [Hexbear] doesn’t support federation for semi-technical reasons (happy to explain), but that’s going to be fixed (later this year maybe)?"](https://www.hexbear.net/post/174049/comment/2150060) indicate Hexbear is open to the idea but unready ([this 2020 comment](https://www.hexbear.net/post/23488/comment/175031) even states they chose Lemmy precisely because of its federation goal), and Bakchodi appear to have just not set any up (the admin states "Federation is not functional as of now." in a post and nothing more). Contrast both against Gab who cited abuse/security issues and lack of local federation users for their voluntary removal of existing federation. Another point regarding Hexbear and Bakchodi is that they are continuations of existing popular communities: I believe that Hexbear is a continuation of reddit's banned subreddit /r/ChapoTrapHouse, and Bakchodi is a continuation of the banned /r/chodi (which I believe was banned around the same time as /r/GenZedong's quarantining caused a mass exodus to https://lemmygrad.ml/c/genzedong ). To the best of my knowledge, lemmy.ml, most of lemmygrad, wolfballs and szmer are new original sites rather than an existing active community migrating as a mass. ### Connections Most instances are connected into the Fediverse. Hexbear and Bakchodi appears to be the only active non-trivial instances that don't federate. Due to the political environment of the internet today and the content currently on Lemmy, I personally think it makes sense to classify the current federation networks of Lemmy instances into four loose groups: - socialist 'left': Primarily value socialism and/or anarchism, and related topics. Generally explicit about their instance's political alignment. The largest group. Examples are lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, midwest.social, and would include hexbear.net if it were connected. - liberalist 'right': Primarily value freedom of speech and other liberty. While none yet are e~~xplicitly politically-biased through administration~~[[correction]](https://lemmy.ml/post/287918/comment/193438), they do overwhelmingly have users with views typical of the American 'right-wing' as an inevitable result of where they are promoted, the ideas only they tolerate and the existing posts. Examples are wolfballs.com and exploding-heads.com. - general open: Overall mainstream OR diverse political views, will generally tolerate political instances on both sides of the above divide. Often national instances or 'general-purpose'. mander.xyz is an overt example, gtio.io is also an example. lotide.fbxl.net would be an example, but it's a lotide instance rather than Lemmy. - anti-intolerant: Primarily value friendliness and inclusivity, and so will readily block instances that tolerate intolerance, such as those in the liberalist 'right' category and potentially those further in the socialist 'left' category. An example might be sopuli.xyz. These are all politically determined, as unlike Mastodon and Pleroma there don't tend to be any instances based around controversial single topics or around graphic content that causes instances to defederate. I thought there were more instances that blocked both sides of the 'left'/'right' divide, but they don't seem to exist yet (which is a good sign) beyond lemmy.rollenspiel.monster. It is also worth mentioning that lemmy.ml has blocked some instances due to abuse rather than any cultural disagreement. The first two of the four categories are by far the most popular, even if not the most numerous in instances, probably due to them picking up users being kicked out of reddit and reddit alternatives as they block more and more political subreddits or become unsavory. The earlier kicking of many 'harassment' subreddits from reddit around 2015 lead to many 'right-wing' users to populate Voat and then later bannings lead to communities.win becoming popular, which I believe explains why Lemmy doesn't yet have a strong influx of users who align politically with those banned subreddits and more-so with recently-banned communist subreddits (the core developers' political views and lemmy.ml's reputation may have impacted people moving to instances named after Lemmy or considering hosting new instances, but I suspect it wouldn't affect people who were invited to a place called Wolfballs). Interestingly, there is already a mirror instance that reposts from reddit: goldandblack.us.to ##### Growth [fediverse.observer](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats) has some stats. Ignoring the huge outliers in the middle, there has been a jump in growth in the past two months which I would mostly attribute to the influx to [lemmygrad.ml wow look at that second graph](https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmygrad.ml) and the launch of unfederated-but-included bakchodi. Apart from that, there has been a remarkably consistent growth in all the active instances. That's a good sign that this group of communities could last a while. ##### Some concluding thoughts, with regards to reddit As someone who hasn't really used reddit in many years, I like to promote the view of us being independent, growing our own culture, our own norms and not merely aiming to mirror the same shallow emptiness. The bottom line is, we grow a lot when reddit shuts a place down, and as you can see in some of those stats, growth creates more potential for growth. I think it's important to think about what habits we see now both here and there that we want to encourage, and which habits we don't. Think about what should each community tolerate and reject and enforce (and make no mistake, that answer differs depending on purpose and audience!) and how do we redirect people in the wrong places or teach those who are mistaken? (protip: typing these things out each time is very dumb! That's why we invented FAQ pages!) What struggles did Mastodon face as they started to grow more and more? Parts of reddit and similar groups will continue to arrive. Look at [this list of communities that used to be allowed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_Reddit_communities): it started off with the very blatant controversies like sexualizing minors, moved on to open blatant racism-focused places that conducted raids, and now they're at banning subreddits about a US (former) president and pro-China memes. Now that Lemmy has established itself as the home of some of the most recently banned communities, I personally think it's only a matter of time before reddit pops off a few more communities as they face pressure from media flak, investors or other major influences, and we should prepare for how to handle this: make potentially targeted communities aware that we exist before an incident, and make sure communities have a clear set of rules and guidelines written for the people that come in expecting this to be reddit again. I think this is an opportunity to fix the things we don't want repeated.

Lemmy users, what do YOU dislike about Musk?
For me, its the celebrityism taking credit for the work of others, the encouragement of worker abuse and the faux-philanthropist façade pretending to be a benevolent savior.

What are some interesting/useful home automation and customization ideas?
Of course given that this is posted to lemmy.ml, I'm expecting a bias towards FOSS/etc. projects like Mycroft AI or towards DIY projects over Amazon and Google microphones and insecure IoT junk, but still list those other ideas regardless as the idea itself can be useful or even replicated with other tools. DIY and technical projects like self-hosted tools and scripts are more than welcome! I know this topic is in a myriad of clickbait articles but I would like a different perspective on it. And remember: don't act surprised when the haxxors own your lightbulbs!

How vulnerable is the Fediverse to the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy, and what can be done to counter it?
Related question: ["Can the Fediverse fall to ruling class / corporate control?"](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772) For those who don't know about EEE, I highly recommend reading at least [the Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish), which includes many examples of Microsoft intentionally trying to do it to open standards like CSS and Java. As an open standard with [relatively few developers](https://lemmy.ml/post/245772/comment/169002), most part-time/casual, spread over many applications, ActivityPub seems like an inevitable target once as it continues to grow. Take a hypothetical example where Elon Musk owning Twitter continues to cause a sustained rush to Mastodon, causing one of Google/Microsoft/Facebook/Twitter to use their large amount of organized resources to clone Mastodon's software, rebrand it, fix the most popular issues in the to-do list, make the server more efficient to host, allow bridging to Twitter (if it's Twitter making it), host it on their fast infrastructure, hire professional moderators and add many of the denied feature requests for making it more Twitter-like. With those companies' capital and established tech teams, most or all of those can be done rapidly. So, I predict if they did, many users and even some hosts would be encouraged to use this extended 'better' software or it may even be advertised and popularized as the simplest, easiest and fastest option, centralizing the bulk of ActivityPub users. They can then use this dominant position to extend ActivityPub in various ways, making various competitors incompatible and increasingly unable to federate. Extend beyond Fediverse competitors' reach, and extinguish them by excluding them from a gradually closing garden filled with activity and popular content producers. Sure, it won't affect the more passionate 'early adopters' here as much who are more than merely annoyed by centralized services, but it's an issue that could potentially prevent these alternatives from gaining a popular audience among the more mainstream crowd who would enjoy the benefits provided it didn't require much sacrifice. An interesting (even if not truly qualifying) example is Gab, a Mastodon fork aimed at an alt-right audience. I recall on Fediverse stats sites, there were a few tiny pods of Gab instances and a small but real network of federating Pleroma and Mastodon instances. I found a comment made over a year ago saying *"Gab ripped their federation code a while ago. Also, when they were federating, they never cared much about properly federating. They used federation as an argument to switching platforms but they didn't care about it."* and some users on a Pleroma instance that formerly federated with Gab was mocking them as recent as one hour ago as *"quit[ting] the fedi because they were getting made fun of [by actual free speech platform users]"*. Gab seemingly embraced the concept, unintentionally, of Embrace and Extend and then privatizing, although with (I assert) no intent nor capacity to extinguish. But what if they did have that intent, either financially or politically? What if they were a *purely* profit-driven project that saw the Fedis as a threat? ##### How can these projects counter EEE? I don't think outpacing is a feasible approach, due to constraints that these non-profit, anti-exploitative projects are bound by. *note: This does work both ways, to a degree, in that for-profit projects will need to have annoying things like ads or dodgy manipulative practices to survive unless they want to run at a significant loss, as an investment. I'm not sure how much most people care about those normalized annoyances, so I don't think that should be relied on. FOSS projects aren't well-known for being successful in the mainstream through their purity and ideals.* Boycotting and ostracization (like, to generalize, Mastodon with Gab, then Gab with Pleroma) might be effective so long as they don't gain an independent dominance through bringing more external users and continuing to dilute the values of the Fediverse. But if their new platform becomes more productive and fun then the Fediverse, then the Fediverse will remain only a niche. I don't have faith in a legal solution, but that is my naïve view, I don't know enough about anti-competitive laws, especially internationally. I'm interested to hear what approaches there might be to what I see as a potential and increasingly imminent threat. Links to existing conversations are welcome too: no need to invent the wheel for me ;)

What are some examples of alliances/unions/etc. of Fediverse instances?
What are some examples of grouping in the Fediverse? This question is in response to a post asking about how to stop corporate dominance in the Fediverse, but unrelated examples are more than welcome. One example is a (defunct?) alliance between 3 national Peertube instances where they agreed to backup each others databases and have similar moderation rules. It would be interesting to see if there's any agreements between instances to block certain instances, like corporate-run (pawoo) or alt-tech (gab) beyond merely using a shared blocklist.

What are the benefits of federation between different site types? (e.g. Friendica, PeerTube)
Note: in hindsight, half of this post is answering my own questions as I explore this rarer side of federation, but there are still some remaining questions which I have highlighted. ##### Introduction This post is created on lemmy.ml. The benefits of federating this post to other Lemmy instances is immediately obvious, since they can use most or all of the site features to read it as intended and interact (voting, replying, reporting, saving, cross-posting or browsing and subscribing to fediverse@lemmy.ml). There is also intuitive benefit in being able to federate with other link aggregators such as lotide and Prismo instances. All these sites have the same basic interface of link-posting, text-posting, voting, commenting and voting on comments. The base format is very compatible, even if extra features are not. I wouldn't be surprised if Lemmy and lotide form a dynamic similar to Mastodon and Pleroma, two microblogging services which again have an intuitive base compatibility. ##### But what about different types? What are the benefits of, for example, making Lemmy federate with Mastodon, Friendica or PeerTube? One approach to answering that is asking what cross-interaction is already possible, like some posts in [!feditolemmy](https://lemmy.ml/c/feditolemmy) which were posted from Friendica. This [nerdica.net post](https://nerdica.net/display/a85d7459-9262-6029-68aa-550236192028) which is [also replicated on !fediverse](https://lemmy.ml/post/238040) shows a conversation in replies between a few Lemmy instances and a Friendica account, and demonstrates the clear analogue of our communities and their forums, and of our votes and their likes (it's just a test ;) ) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/30f19028-f625-451b-a68f-b2c3297c3d8d.png) So Friendica posts federating to Lemmy makes reasonable sense. I'm not sure about the opposite. I guess their posts are analogous to our text posts or text & link posts, so it might be possible to render their forums as browsable communities here. **Question 1: Does my Lemmy account browsing and making new posts on Friendica forums make sense?** Or will the federation only make sense for enabling Lemmy to aggregate Friendica posts and allowing cross-rating and cross-commenting? Note: I found [this Friendica forum on Lemmy](https://lemmy.ml/c/retrocomputing@nerdica.net), which was properly interpreted as a community instead of a user by Lemmy, but posts aren't replicating yet. I'm guessing it's a base for future completion to allow further cross-integration. Friendica does not appear to be able to browse Lemmy users or communities yet. I also assume microblogging sites like Mastodon and Pleroma, along with the Prismo link aggregator, can use hashtags as an analogy for communities. While a post on those sites can belong to multiple tags, Lemmy can imitate this with crossposting in multiple communities. Is this reasonable? PeerTube is where I get more confused, and [I'm not alone](https://lemmy.ml/post/154977/). As a reply there mentioned, we can view a PeerTube user account, such as https://lemmy.ml/u/thelinuxexperiment@tilvids.com and https://lemmy.ml/c/h3h3productions@h3h3.club , although it doesn't seem to work for framatube.org. However the interfaces of Lemmy and PeerTube are radically different, as PeerTube is foremost a video hosting site and Lemmy is a link aggregator. I think it's fair to assert that a Lemmy post cannot be displayed on a PeerTube instance without hacks no-one wants, which leaves PeerTube->Lemmy posting, and mutual liking/commenting/reporting/etc.. A PeerTube video can be adapted as a link post in Lemmy. I'm not certain how a PeerTube upload would signal which communities it should be posted to in Lemmy, but there are reasonable options like an extra field in the upload settings, or a link in the description. **Question 2: Is there a plan to have anything more than PeerTube creating link posts in Lemmy communities with federation between comment sections?** Trying to learn the current situation in order to ask good questions has taught me a lot, I was in a mindset that we had to be able to make posts on other sites in order to usefully federate, when that isn't really our role as a link aggregator site. Media sites can usefully post to here with federated voting and comment sections.

On the recuperation of /r/antiwork
A bit of a passionless rant about the recuperation of /r/antiwork: I don't even consider myself an anarchist and I'm annoyed. Having visited the place a few years ago (2017?) to see what it was, the place was quite clearly as the name suggested: against the current concept of work. Not anti-labor (generally), but certainly anti-work. Today, we're seeing posts like this gain popularity (part of a screencap posted to the sub, 700+ rating currently) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/0456c855-1d49-4335-bcc2-420ba64e7722.png) And I can understand if that's a naïve attempt at pitching or pandering to an audience not familiar with the nuance of 'work', 'job' and 'labor'. But that's not the case here. After going through the comments, sorted by best, it takes the 7th reply to point out that the sidebar **explicitly and unambigously** says, at the top: > "A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas [...]" and another 7 replies to find this chain with some OP replies: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c933c803-806b-423b-83c4-5d0129154af6.png) and then soon this one, marked with the controversial sign: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e75468b6-b49f-4dca-9c0a-d31566da39f4.png) When you get to a stage where *stating the absolute basic theme of a community* is considered controversial, it's a tragedy. This is an example of [recuperation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)). I honestly think the recuperation was more organic than forced or conspiratorial, caused due to the sudden rush in size by enthused reformists rationalizing the name rather than any intentional agenda. This has happened to other sites and subcultures too, where a sudden and largely unopposed rise in popularity dilutes the original community and its unique qualities. A wide range of anti-capitalist subreddits seem to have come closer and closer into a homogeneous paste of (often the exact same!) twitter screencaps repeating fallacious or vapid 'gotcha' jokes and ragebaits. And I don't want to see the same happen here.

Hi! Lemmy's official software site has a list of public instances and I noticed that slrpnk.net isn't included. https://join-lemmy.org/instances I think that this site could gain long-term exposure to more potential users by asking the site admins to add this instance to that list.